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Equipment => Bats => Bat Making => Topic started by: skippy on December 12, 2008, 06:12:53 PM
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This is probably one for norbs or another batmaker but... what do you think would happen if someone made a handle with a weight in the top? Would it pick up a lot better? Also would wrapping Lead tape around my bat handle have any effect? If so what?
Thanks
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Apperently alot of pros do this, i think there were some pics on another forum of matt priors bat with a large bulge n his handle. I just wrapped a load of electrical tape around the top of my handle and it did seem to improve the pickup. The bat didnt feel heavier to hold but it felt lighter in back lift
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Called a counter weight
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Matt Prior does not use counter weights, I know, he is using bats I delivered to him.
Newbery used to make a Multi Balance bat which was the shape of the Mjolnir with changeable weights in the top of the handle so that you could alter the pick up. I have one here which is close to 3lb but picks up more like 2.11.
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Talisman any chance of pictures of the multibalance? A.B. DeVillars is a prime example of the lead tape situation. Also electrical tape wouldnt be heavy enough you would have to use an incredable amount of it to be able to feel it. Try lead tape or an extra grip rolled up. However electrical tape is good for changing the shape of the handle which will change the feel.
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well i think matt prior puts something around top of the handle
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/engvind/content/image/308545.html
might not need to do it on all bats but it looks like he has done, and i have seen a clearer pic n another forum
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No thats just the way some handles look, that was before the bats I delivered but they would have been the same make. I have one somewhere that is signed by him, I think it may be in storage at my parents so don't ask for photo's but I will try and dig it out.
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I know I've seen Jaques Kallis using a counter balance, cant find any photos sorry!
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kallis and de villiers both use a counter balance
(http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/89000/89044.jpg)
matt bell does it aswell
(http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/87600/87676.jpg)
sehwag
(http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/92500/92515.jpg)
(http://www.cricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/92600/92699.jpg)
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Some batsmen have the baseball style end to control their hand placement, if you need counterweights your bat maker needs changing.
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Here is what I think about it all...
Pick up of a Cricket bat and adding a grip or weights to the handle
Ok you’ve added a grip or some sort of weight to the handle because the cricket bat you have bought picks up like a railway sleeper. The cricket bat feels better with regards to picking up but all of a sudden you’re getting bat vibration from the where the middle was.
The techie bit, only a little bit!
The point at which you get the least vibration from the bat is called the coefficient of percussion [COP]. I think I’ve discussed this before so take a look at another article for the infomation on this.
Hmmmm, by adding weight, e.g. an extra grip, you move the centre of mass or the balance point of the cricket bat towards the handle and this moves the COP [the point of least vibration]. That is because the coefficent of percussion is related to the total mass of the cricket bat, the balance point and the moment of inertia…..
So what does that mean?
The cricket bat picks up better but all of sudden the middle feels like it has shifted by about an inch all because of the extra weight at the handle end!
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So does this mean that the middle actually moves or just you feel that it moves?
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One of the sweep spots on the bat is the [COP] The idea when making bat is to get everything in the right place so it all works together. If the COP is where the main meat on the bat is you lose some o the effectiveness of the bat. To answer your question you'll find it feels different and have less power in places for the original configuration. [I hope that makes sense]
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Yeah totally get you. Great explanation btw, helped alot! So the idea of a heavy handle would only really work if you made the bat around the handle, because if it is fitted afterwards the bat's configuration will be altered.
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Ummm yes and no, it alters the bat characteristics it doesn't make the bat unplayable, we talking about one of the techie performance factors for ping... The thing is bat makers shape the bats based on what they know from experience will work. By someone changing that from the standard then you are changing the design that the bat maker choose for that particular piece of willow when he made it. If you are getting a handmade bat ask for a thicker handle or make sure you try out the pickup as there is no point in getting a bat that it a few week time has 2 extra grips on it or a metal weight screwed into the handle.
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there isnt anything in the laws to prevent this, it only stipulates what the handle can be constructed from. and even then it wouldnt necessarily apply to lower levels of cricket
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i have an old old newbery with a counterweight
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I've started using a half rolled up grip this year and i feel a slight difference, if any, but it keeps my grip position nice and consistent.
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what could i use as a counterweight? where could i get it? i probably sound like an idiot but... meh
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what could i use as a counterweight? where could i get it? i probably sound like an idiot but... meh
you can get lead tape for golf clubs and tennis racquets
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okie dokie cheers
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Tonight's topic brought back from the dead... A old favourite subject... And some comedy posts
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Ahhhh, I remember the old days of Talisman telling everyone how it was with every bat and every player, and woe betide anyone who contradicted him - plus Norbs blinding everyone with scientific bullshot. I wonder how many of us bought a Matt Prior 'reject' off the Willow spiv?
Where are these 'legends' now eh?
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Wasn't Andys Batmaking taken on by someone else
Didn't Tailsman become an inventor of cattle shoes
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Andy's company name was taken over by someone else, and I think the bats were imports
Mike was indeed involved in the development of the cow shoe - yet another enterprise that will involve him being in the sh*t!
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What exactly became of Talisman cricket bats? Was a guy called Mike Brimble making them?
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Used to read through all the old saf/norb posts, I live just down the road from him.
Not heard about talisman but from the posts on this thread, he sounded a character?
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He was no character
He was just a thief but was polorized because many where under his spell of cheap so called pro gear and got deals so turned a blind eye
He is a thief
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Hope your well boss, was thinking bout you a coupla weeks ago, I had to sort some furniture at the turf and at gawthorpe.
I know your a big Clarets fan
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He was no character
He was just a thief but was polorized because many where under his spell of cheap so called pro gear and got deals so turned a blind eye
He is a thief
Wasn't there a story you told a while back about him being chased out of a batmaker's place with a size 6, or have I just fabricated that story with my imagination? :-[
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Yes there was. I have chatted with that batmaker, and he claims the story to be true. He's a big lad too, so I could believe him!
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That is true Chad and Bruce knows the man involved.
Great story of bats made and him trying to pay with stolen drink
Northern you are right I have been too both matches so far but the game tonight I couldn't make but glad so far
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Dave - are you ever being deployed to Surrey? It's Net time sucka!!