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Equipment => Other Gear => Topic started by: cricketboy2010 on March 28, 2011, 12:35:09 AM

Title: Is this legal?
Post by: cricketboy2010 on March 28, 2011, 12:35:09 AM
hi,

i was just searching the net when i found this....

http://www.tasbats.com.au/

is it legal to have these inserts in ur bats?

thanks.... Nick
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Number5 on March 28, 2011, 12:46:07 AM
It would appear so...

http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/appendix-e-the-bat,1028,AR.html

Appendix E - The bat
Toe and side inserts – The wood used must not be more than 0.3 in/0.89 cm in thickness.
The toe insert shall not extend from the toe more than 2.5 in/6.35 cm up the blade at any point.
Neither side insert may extend from the edge more than 1 in/2.54cm across the blade at any point.

Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: cricketboy2010 on March 28, 2011, 12:46:55 AM
oh....

it seams like a very gud idea then...
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Jenko on March 28, 2011, 06:43:39 AM
Does it say anywhere what the inserts are made from?? Seems like it has been around since '05
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: cricketboy2010 on March 28, 2011, 09:47:30 AM
yer it says there barrel-oakm inserts... and yer seems they hae been around sice 05'
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Simmy on March 28, 2011, 09:49:10 AM
cant be that great or everybody wud be doing it?
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: langer17 on March 28, 2011, 09:54:35 AM
I dont think that many people would know about, as I have lived in Australia for my whole life and this is the first time I have ever seen or heard about it. Also, it is legal in all forms up to, but not including first class cricket. So as long as you dont play first class, it's all good.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: cricketboy2010 on March 28, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
yer i have lived in aus all my life to, and i have never heard of this before.

in the videos it looks like some of the first class players use it.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: langer17 on March 28, 2011, 10:08:14 AM
He can't use it in games as he plays first calss, but he would probably use it in training. They probably got him to plug it as he is the captain if Tasmania so people would know him and be more willing to have it done to their bats, opposed to a club cricketer who no one knows plugging it
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: cricketboy2010 on March 28, 2011, 10:10:17 AM
Tasmania... then the guy that owns this thing is probably his second cousin!
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Jenko on March 28, 2011, 10:12:27 AM
Haha fair chance if thats the case :-P

Never heard of em either....
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: tim2000s on March 28, 2011, 10:17:33 AM
Looks to me like it is effectively adding springs to the edges under tension to try and provide extra "ping" when you hit something near the edge. Can't imagine that it would make any difference nearer the areas where there is more wood, so less flex...
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: langer17 on March 28, 2011, 10:17:57 AM
ahaha, love it : P
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: cricketboy2010 on March 28, 2011, 10:28:48 AM
i would'nt mind trying this actually... it looks kind of intresting...
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: langer17 on March 28, 2011, 10:36:32 AM
I am thinking the same. I would probably try it on an older bat and see how it goes, then maybe have it done to a newer one if it all goes well.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Talisman on March 28, 2011, 02:10:08 PM
It's not legal guys, sorry.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Tom on March 28, 2011, 02:19:02 PM
I'd say legal but it's a Type B/C bat.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Talisman on March 28, 2011, 02:20:26 PM
I'd read it the same but on this note I know someone who wanted to do it and was told no by the MCC.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: tim2000s on March 28, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
I can see why the MCC would say no. It is not a "damage repair" or "damage prevention" technique, it is a "performance enhancement" technique. Therefore under law 6 it is banned.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: langer17 on March 28, 2011, 02:40:52 PM
It is a legal Type B bat
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: langer17 on March 28, 2011, 02:42:04 PM
This is the youtube comment by the company which was posted 2 months ago.

"This technology is in fact not illegal! It has been reviewed by the MCC Laws Committee who have given it a B grading under the current Law 6 – The Bat. The only reason it has this grading is because of the side inserts. With this grading the bat is legal for use by over 95% of cricketers worldwide at all levels up to but not including first class. You can view more information on our website"

Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: tim2000s on March 28, 2011, 02:48:03 PM
Given the defnitions in the Law, I find it hard to see how it could be! Maybe what they said to the MCC isn't the same as the way the market it...
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Beachcricket on March 28, 2011, 03:40:06 PM
I'm sure there was a company called Not Just Willow in the Midlands that did something similar.

PM'd you Talisman.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: frankspop on March 28, 2011, 04:21:50 PM
I'm sure there was a company called Not Just Willow in the Midlands that did something similar.

There was. And I'm pretty sure it was a full laminate approach, not just edges. The guy who had the idea had some links with Derbyshire, and a few players trying it out.  Disappeared some time ago, I suspect primarily scuppered by rule changes.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Beachcricket on March 28, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
I'm glad someone else remembers them, I was starting to think I was making it up.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: cricketboy2010 on March 28, 2011, 10:41:11 PM
I'm glad someone else remembers them, I was starting to think I was making it up.

haha, getting old mate... jks
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: frankspop on May 23, 2011, 01:36:30 PM
Digging throgh my files I found this, as an update on the Not Just Willow company.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lwdCyf1m2hs/TdpiO-zoWrI/AAAAAAAAAIU/yXaHze5MYRA/s288/Not%2BJust%2BWillow_edited-1.jpg)

It had a thin (5mm) strip of Ash through the centre of the blade extending from the toe for approx. 30 cm.

I'll do a new blog piece shortly on the potted history of laminates, they go back a long way, naturally.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on May 23, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
Didnt realise u were a sports engineer....are u at Sheffield Hallum?
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: frankspop on May 23, 2011, 02:03:30 PM
I am indeed at Sheffield Hallam.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on May 23, 2011, 02:11:02 PM
Ah right, did look at the sports engineering course up there but evidently i was too stupid to get onto it :(....just watchin the lecture now on the cricket on your website
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: frankspop on May 23, 2011, 02:19:11 PM
Don't expect too much enlightening detail from my colleague's video lecture on cricket, it was created as part of a marketing campaign for student recruitment in India, and so a 'light-touch' overview.  Dr James will admit he is no expert on bats, but he knows his cricket pitches - his PhD was sponsred by the ECB looking at characterising first-class cricket pitches.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on May 23, 2011, 02:29:47 PM
Yeah interesting stuff, meet Steve Hakke when i was at uni in wolves as there were only a few uni's that offered a sports engineering/technology degree when I applied. 

May have a few questions to throw your way shortly as we've got a project on our hands which in a bit above my knowledge of physics and all things science related! :(
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: frankspop on May 23, 2011, 02:37:28 PM
Will PM you Ayrtek as we are drifting off-topic.
Title: Re: Is this legal?
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on May 23, 2011, 02:41:24 PM
Back on topic....the SS Jumbo that our #11 had before i sold him an L&W was made like this, he still has it in his garage as i told him not to get rid of it....must be from the early 80's id guess!