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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: procricket on April 11, 2011, 03:27:50 PM
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I would like to talk about spin and what people thought of playing it are and there own way of dealing/scoring with the moving ball
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I am currently working on using my feet more but tend to TRY and pick the spin and work with never against but if it's in the slot the good old slog moo moo corner sweep comes out ha ha
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Look to be positive against it, more so than I would to pace. Use of the crease is a major one and quick feet. Generally fields are pretty much set at default for the different types so look to move the ball around. Personally like to hit the ball straight, not so good at hitting a good length ball down the ground to mid on/off for 1 etc. Learnt the reverse and orthodox sweep as a rotate the strike option, actually prefer the reverse, seem to have more control over it.
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The second it goes above my eye-line I will come down the wicket. Outside off on a length or wide down legside I will sweep/sweep slog. If it's flat and pitched up I will nudge it around. Short I will swing and give it everything lol.
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Its depends on how much he/she is turning the ball as the point is to counter the spin.
If you are going to use your feet then be confident to get to the pitch and calculate how many runs you can get off it. Is it worth the risk for 1?
Most spinners in league will drop in a few dobbers so I tend to wait for them to score runs.
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U need to be milking singles to long on and long off . They are usually back.
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Tend to play more from the crease if it's turning away from me. Love playing left arm spinners being a left hander, usually get after them quite sharpish!
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400 Not out i like your thinking that was what i was thinking we seem to be set on default the juniors and seniors at a few clubs i have been talking to we all tend to either forward press and play from the crease or run down the wicket.
I like to play as late as possible and if possible get on the back foot
My weakness is left arm spinners the drift and slight turn
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U need to be milking singles to long on and long off . They are usually back.
If not, hit it over the top and send them back ;)
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I try and be positive against it, I've been practicing coming down the wicket a lot - making sure I always hit the ball at least if I come down. This then makes the bowler change his length which you can manouver around.
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Some good point i tend to as Colesy said manipulate the field so they go back then sit in.
I think positivity is key to playing spinners just hate slow left armers
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Think what most people do is feel they have to go through with it once they go up the track, no shame in blocking it or padding up. Better than watching him bowl the next one from the pavillion! The majority of people will get nowhere near the pitch and still try and send it into next week, thats where the problem is. Also one I've never really tohught about till I saw it on video is when going down the track to actually move your feet in the direction of the ball for example to the offside, see a lot of people run down the track and either have to stretch for it or get to cramped to swing freely through the ball.
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I move my feet to spin in general, (normally very static) and if im "in" come down the pitch if it's not quite short enough to play back to and not quite pitched up enough to play from the crease. If mid-on.mid-off arent back then go over top till they are or between mid-on and midwicket if pitched on legs, between mid off and cover if outside off.
I generally play positively against spin and attack it, after all you are not going to be beaten for pace, but most likely outwitted so if you don't get carried away and stay focused it's quite easy to score from.
Also use the single to the "back" fielder to keep rotating strike - I generally aim to score 5+ an over against spin every over with 1 or 2 12+ overs
And as 400notout says, if i come down the wicket it doesnt mean im going to try and smash it, it just involves getting to the pitch and if that is not possible either block or push for single
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I guess a lot of it is if you read it from the hand or off the pitch
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feet, feet, feet, feet and feet. more importantly than this... FEET!
dont be scared to come down the track, try to hit straight in to targeted areas down the ground
HAVE A PLAN!
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Just charge and swing through cow, that my friend is a plan or come down and push and nurdle the ball around
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Been working on this part of my game as I have progressed through the standards of cricket, playing spin is essential for premier league cricket.
I have decided that nurdling off the back foot when the bowler is doing well, sweeping when the ball in on leg stump or further, driving when over pitched and the cut are my high percentage shots. Only use feet when I am in and the bowler is tossing it up.
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I'm certainly no batsman, but when I face the other Uni spinners, I like to plant my front foot down the track a bit, feigning to come out my crease, so they bowl it shorter and flatter, letting me cut/pull it. I go back to the spinners a bit, but do drive them occasionally, and nurdle them round the corner. Not really a sweeper, can play the reverse sweep though (weird I know!)
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Tumo, as a spinner, maybe you could tell us about it from your point of view, what dont you like a batsman doing or trying to do when you bowl?
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Can I join that?
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All ways looking to play spin of the front foot. Like to hit over cover, even if I'm going against the spin. Never sweep, a sign of weakness IMO.
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Never sweep, a sign of weakness IMO.
Alternatively, the sign of a poor spinner if your playing it :)
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what sweeping is a sign of weakness?????
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Alternatively, the sign of a poor spinner if your playing it :)
off topic, just out of interest... shilly did you ever do that fantasy cricket thing last year that i sent you our version of?
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what sweeping is a sign of weakness?????
as a youngster I was told Asians players don't sweep. It kinda stuck. In addition I was told you only sweep if you can't pick a spinner.
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Tendulkar is a sweeper no
If a off spinner pitches in and around leg stump full i'm going to sweep him
There not that many in league cricket with mad mystery balls (is there)
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off topic, just out of interest... shilly did you ever do that fantasy cricket thing last year that i sent you our version of?
Yes i did - but not many people took to the idea. However, it has been slightly revamped this year and a lot more people have entered teams which is good. All good fundraising money so thanks for sending it through. (I hope i thanked you at the time!)
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Tendulkar is a sweeper no
If a off spinner pitches in and around leg stump full i'm going to sweep him
There not that many in league cricket with mad mystery balls (is there)
SRT has started sweeping in the last 4-5 years. In his younger days he never played the sweep. More so in relation to the introduction of overseas coaches.
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I generally don't sweep. My biggest problem playing spin is putting away the juicy full tosses. I mostly try to hit it a bit too early...
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Approach for me is to try to work off spinner through mid on to mid wicket and manoever the field but mainly play straight. Try to come down tje wicket when possible but not afraid to block.
If leg spinner different approach will play off back foot mainly, stepping out when ball floated up but being able to cut etc.
Anyone else treat leg spinners different to off spinners, just find turn + bounce more so not as easy to walk down the pitch.
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I'm not a great player of spin but if it is pitched up and is on leg I just go on front foot and play on leg side.
Good length, on off stump I just go back and defend it.
I always get caught with flighted delivery because i try to come down and play straight or smash it and it doesn't work at all
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If leggies haven't got a wrong 'un, they're easy to face imo
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I think being decisive in shot selection is key. Using your feet is the best way to play spin, as spinners will then naturally to become more negative and bowl quicker for you to pick off runs where appropriate. It's all about having some sort of plan to each possible!
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If leggies haven't got a wrong 'un, they're easy to face imo
TRUE mate you know if there turning it and if it pitches outside off it easy meat
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It's why I've spent the best part of two years learning the googly :)
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Dave two thought plans for spinners and both work depending on the type of batsmen you are however id suggest giving the first option a miss as you don't look like a biffa.
First option is to use your feet and get down the track and catch it on the bounce and you can basically play some cultured drive to long on or long off etc etc or perhaps deposit it over the infield again long on or long off and if you get to the the pitch whack it over long on or long off or cow corner.
Second option is to see what field positions are in place and pick a few shots which will enable you to rotate the strike and minimise risky shots, obviously the type of spinner is also worth looking at and go from there. If you rotate the strike and hit the gaps that will force the bowler to do something different and offering some runs in other areas and work the field.
All spinners are pie chuckers so just get sown the track and launch them out the ground, if that fails just blame me lol
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How can you tell mate i'm not a biffer
I like the sound of it
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Short of a few weetabix bud lol !
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Regards sweeping, I don't think its a necessary shot, for me at least anyway, and as such i rarely play it. I would much rather use my feet and still play somewhat straight than drop to my knees and play across the line. The only time I ever sweep Is an occasional paddle sweep and also sometimes If a ball is on leg and would be a yorker if i let it bounce then i may turn it into a low full-toss with a sweep rather than cramping myself up trying to come down the pitch.
With coming down the pitch to leggies, I find it helps me to get an extra bit inside the line - especially if it's turning a bit and I might not reach the pitch exactly, then im less likely to have to swing across it if it rips and i can still push through the line of the ball going aerial and if it doesnt turn I just flick it squarer or behind square, normally on the ground.
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Do people generally play the sweep on length/line or premeditate, I know it's a bad thing to do however I always feel a bit pushed for time unless I premeditate playing one sort of sweep, be it slog/paddle etc? Also a question to any spinners on here, when the batsman feints to come down the track i.e presses forward what do you feel inclined to do? Dart it in or drag it shorter etc?
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Do people generally play the sweep on length/line or premeditate, I know it's a bad thing to do however I always feel a bit pushed for time unless I premeditate playing one sort of sweep, be it slog/paddle etc? Also a question to any spinners on here, when the batsman feints to come down the track i.e presses forward what do you feel inclined to do? Dart it in or drag it shorter etc?
Seam up and hope they miss it
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Seam up and hope they miss it
I tend to take all the pace off, bit like Vettori does
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I feel my length will suffer if I alter the pace with the same delivery
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Think it helps when you can bowl a bit too, you generally can work out how a batsman is thinking. Although the press forward is a very obvious one
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I try and workout the angles first. ie.
Left armer - how much turn, flat/quick or slow/loopy, attacking middle or off?
etc
Dictates my shot selection. A flat bowler can be more easily hit through the line with a straight bat, a leggie turning it square might require cutting and sweeping.
Tend to play the line of the ball to the offie, which allows for the turn to hit the pad. Theory being that your foot is outside off if it turns back onto the stumps or if it's on the stumps, it'll turn down leg. Also sets up the slog sweep if it's turning big and he has to pitch outside off to hit off.
Left armers I'll play slightly outside the line, allowing for a little turn. The angle makes it tougher for LBW's as the ball has to straighten, in which case I have it covered. Looking for the sweep down leg or the cut and drive if the room is outside off. Leggies I'll play in a similar fashion to left armers.
I generally don't go down the track until I'm in and sussed the bowling pace/spin. Tend to do it now and again, to often makes it predictable and you're likely to come unstuck.
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Eye fergot 2 say.
Something I picked up from Michael Vaughan was that if you're facing a leggie/SLA I'd bat on leg and if facing an offie I'd bat on off.
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not much talk about reading the ball from the bowlers hand on this thread or ways to manipulate the field (apart from "whack it over the top".
no talk about smothering the spin, or more importantly how to play a spinner who gets extra bounce.
from what I have read on this thread you have to either sweep a spinner or smash him in the arc between mid on and cow.
Seriously - come on - how many of you have watched Brian Lara play spin or VVS Laxman play spin? how do they play it?
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First post on the first page buzz :)
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not much talk about reading the ball from the bowlers hand on this thread or ways to manipulate the field (apart from "whack it over the top".
no talk about smothering the spin, or more importantly how to play a spinner who gets extra bounce.
from what I have read on this thread you have to either sweep a spinner or smash him in the arc between mid on and cow.
Seriously - come on - how many of you have watched Brian Lara play spin or VVS Laxman play spin? how do they play it?
Just for Buzz - play with soft hands when defending :-)
Seriously, very rarely come across a spinner who gets bounce due to the wickets we play on. However the indoor nets at headingley do "kick up" and I find it's easier to pick the length early and play off the back foot - ie. unless it's full I'll go back and look to play with the spin.
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Also I have found this from before...
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=358.msg88859#msg88859
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Good read that is Buzz.
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I agree. In fact there are about 45 articles by Aakash here: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/author.html?author=276
if it is a slow day at work, I would say you will learn something from all of them... I really like his commentary, it is written in a much more accessible way than some of the "former pro" technical stuff.
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I got told a very simple way of playing spin which has always helped me.
Either charge at the bowler and hit the ball before it bounces, or play in the back of your crease giving you more time to watch the ball and where it is turning.
I often Look to get down the pitch and hit it before it bounces for the first few balls of the over, I try to keep doing that until the bowler tries to change his length too much, when he does you can sit back in your crease and smash him off the back foot.
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Get to the pitch of the ball - if you dont and its a good - half decent spinner , he will deceive you in the flight and mostly likely will bowl you or get you stumped :(
Also , dont try and hit the ball too hard wait for the bad ball and capablize from there
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Speaking as a SLA spinner I love it when I hear you all talking about coming down the wicket....if your going to do that then you have got to be very, very good with your feet. A decent spinner will not only turn the ball but will get a decent amount of drift and dip. If you are confident you can always get to the pitch of the ball then go for it but unless your very, very good (and I'm sure some of you on here are) then you are going to get it wrong at some point, probably sooner rather than later. Be patient, all bowlers bowl bad balls and if you make sure to hit them well then your putting more pressure on the bowler without taking any stupid risks yourselves...Patience is the key....