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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: alexrickyponting on April 25, 2011, 08:28:34 AM
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Got out to two left arm over bowlers this weekend. Does anyone have any tips for facing this demonic defects of nature and actually scoring runs?
Also lefties out there, what line/length do you try and hit, especially if you can see the batsmen has no idea how to score if its not short/full toss/ down leg?
And does anyone have any training tips that may help, I intend to have a fair few hours on the bowling machine this week working on this.
Thanks in advance :)
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As a lefty myself i'd say try maybe opening up your stand a teeny bit....this works for me facing right handers and i see a lot of sucessful right handers do it against us lefties.
Were they swinging the ball? If it away swing i sometimes move a fair bit infront of the stumps knowing that anything pitching inline should miss and anything hitting may have pitched on leg unless very full. This becomes easier to work off your legs i find as well as moving yuorself nearer to the pitch if i wide line is taken by the bowler.
If inswing i find you have to wait for a bad ball, not found a sure fire way of playing this that i am comfortbale with, i usually look to get off strike by nicking a quick single, cant get out from the other end. But there are often a few tickles down the legside to be had off an inswinger.
As a bowler if you have no idea then we'd probably look to bowl straight, if you are a rh bowler and bowl to lefties its the same principle so have a think about that. The length, if bowling on a decent wicket, would probably be going through at around top of stumps. Its the same principles as normal bowling really mate, we arent so demonic that we've created new rules for our bowling ;)
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btw that might be technically so worng, but its what works for me haha! buzz to the rescue!!
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"It is important when left-arm bowlers bowl over the wicket that you do open
up a little bit. Perhaps get further across your stumps, because the ball is going across you and it’s a very awkward angle. So you play a little further over your stumps to play the ball back from whence it came. For left-handed batsmen it is different. Around 80–90 per cent of the bowlers bowl over the wicket, so the ball is always going across you. It’s a little like a right-handed batsman facing a left-arm seamer – it’s going across you at an angle. I’m telling you as a right-hand batsman to open up a bit more chest-on so that you can face the bowlers a bit more with your shoulders and body. For left-handers it is very important to open up a little bit, because while facing right-arm bowlers it’s coming at a similar angle."
Its the same principle for lefties facing right arm over.
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also i find as it takes getting used to dont over commit to a shot early especially early in the innings and if the ball is moving, you are wanting the bowlor to bowl straight really, as its probably easiest for you to play (except full toss,half volley etc balls)!
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I prefer facing left-arm seamers! Definatly agree on opening your stance, think about it like this: the bowler is bowling at you from a totally different angle compared to a Right arm over so if your adopting the same stance, your going to be 'too' side on and would have to play the ball around your front leg... With regards to shot selection, judging movement etc its exactlly the same as for a right arm bowler, dont change your game because its a left arm bowler
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and lastly !Dont let us get in your head!
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If you're a right handed batsman facing a left arm over the wicket, then the umpire is always going to have an element of 'has it pitched outside leg' in the back of their mind. And in my limited experience of bowling I've never had an LBW. So you could think about using the 'flaw' in the laws to your advantage?
And the line I try to bowl is pushing the ball across the right hander trying to induce the nick
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I bowl left arm medium pace and bat middle order. Here's what I do:-
Stand still with a slightly opened stance facing the bowler. For all lefties, keep your front foot playing down the line of leg stump. This firstly makes it nearly impossible to get caught lbw as the inswinger will drift down leg and the outswinger will be pitching outside leg. Secondly your bat becomes a second line of defense if the outswinger is bowled ie. the bat is guarding middle/off. This is a very simple way of negating a left arm over.
Other than that, I 'd say make a second late movement with the front foot depending on the how much the ball swings as it comes down - just to get you into line. Key is with all swing bowlers not to commit yourself to early.
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Problems a left armer has:-
1. Inswinger not swinging and becoming a off side half volley
2. Inswinger starting to straight and heading down leg
3. Outswinger starting outside leg or being dragged down
4. Outswinger starting to wide and becoming a wide half volley/long hop
Use the angles to your advantage if you can see what the guy is trying to bowl.
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3. Outswinger starting outside leg or being dragged down
Did this last week (dragged one down), got me a wicket. I called it my 'slow ball bouncer' in the bar afterwards :D
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Cheers for the tips guys. I should have mentioned I do open my stance up to lefties, and if its seam I come further out of my crease.
and lastly !Dont let us get in your head!
Peplow my head is your summer house lol
uknsaunders, thanks, ill definatley attempt to put that into practice when i face a leftie next.
I have just returned from a bowling machine session with the machine set up "around the wicket" and i felt slightly better. The thing is with the ball coming on to the bat I don't struggle too much, but if there isnt much bounce and its slow of the pitch I find it incrediby hard to manouevre the ball
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Sounds like this was more of a coincidence and that you just hadn't adjusted correctly to the change of angle.
Were you out in the same way or different ways?
I'm sure I have seen this commentary before somewhere :o :
"It is important when left-arm bowlers bowl over the wicket that you do open
up a little bit. Perhaps get further across your stumps, because the ball is going across you and it’s a very awkward angle. So you play a little further over your stumps to play the ball back from whence it came. For left-handed batsmen it is different. Around 80–90 per cent of the bowlers bowl over the wicket, so the ball is always going across you. It’s a little like a right-handed batsman facing a left-arm seamer – it’s going across you at an angle. I’m telling you as a right-hand batsman to open up a bit more chest-on so that you can face the bowlers a bit more with your shoulders and body. For left-handers it is very important to open up a little bit, because while facing right-arm bowlers it’s coming at a similar angle."
Its the same principle for lefties facing right arm over.
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yeah i am taking no plaudits for that hence the """"" :D thats all down to the buzzmeister, its just what i have referred to when helping myself out in troubled batting times!
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I got out to a lefty yesterday :( - Little contest which he won. Bowled it short to me and I hit him for 2 fours but I was late on one of them so I top edged it to the keeper. Lefties are annoying as you can sometimes get caught in 2 minds as to what to do with them.. :(
But not the end of the world. I can now learn from that experience :)
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i quite enjoy facing lefties, not too many of them around though. I tend to open up my stance a bit and was always told to hit it back where it came from. play straight. Everyone is different though. all depends on your initial set up and where your strengths/weaknesses are. i would say just be confident and play each ball as it comes
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Buzz i was out bowled (hit off bail) trying to work it to leg and c&b trying to just drop it down safely into leg-side after missing with a filthy moo previous ball :(
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sounds like you were playing across the angle/ any swing/movement the bowler was getting. just play straighter. wouldnt worry too much
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Buzz i was out bowled (hit off bail) trying to work it to leg and c&b trying to just drop it down safely into leg-side after missing with a filthy moo previous ball :(
Johners has just said my post! If you're playing across it, play straight. We have a left armer at Uni who swings it round corners, and that's really good practice because I've faced one doing the same thing just this weekend and it helped me immensely. Just play straighter, that's all!
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Cheers guys, I think the fact that the ball generally starts off on my legs then moves across is what gets me, I see it on my legs and try and put it on the leg side when it probably ends on on off thus i get out.
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i used to do the same. eyes light up when its on leg stump. think easy runs then it swings or angles across and you either nick it, leading edge or played down the wrong line and loose your off peg
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Off topic ever so slightly, this is what, according to Wayne White of Leicestershire, Left arm seamer Harry Gurney has on his wall... It's a pretty good formula! http://yfrog.com/gy2khyuj
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Cheers guys, I think the fact that the ball generally starts off on my legs then moves across is what gets me, I see it on my legs and try and put it on the leg side when it probably ends on on off thus i get out.
As others have said - you are looking to play a lower percentage shot, effectively trying to work the ball aganist it's natural path - playing through mid off or extra cover will reduce your risk and should keep the scoring going.
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As a lefty myself i'd say try maybe opening up your stand a teeny bit....this works for me facing right handers and i see a lot of sucessful right handers do it against us lefties.
Were they swinging the ball? If it away swing i sometimes move a fair bit infront of the stumps knowing that anything pitching inline should miss and anything hitting may have pitched on leg unless very full. This becomes easier to work off your legs i find as well as moving yuorself nearer to the pitch if i wide line is taken by the bowler.
If inswing i find you have to wait for a bad ball, not found a sure fire way of playing this that i am comfortbale with, i usually look to get off strike by nicking a quick single, cant get out from the other end. But there are often a few tickles down the legside to be had off an inswinger.
As a bowler if you have no idea then we'd probably look to bowl straight, if you are a rh bowler and bowl to lefties its the same principle so have a think about that. The length, if bowling on a decent wicket, would probably be going through at around top of stumps. Its the same principles as normal bowling really mate, we arent so demonic that we've created new rules for our bowling ;)
Got a lefty in our midweek team who I love facing in nets as he bowls away swing to me, but because of he line he is bowling from, you can adjust your position a little more open, and then play him through the straight V and covers/extra cover. I'm no batting expert, but if you adjust your line from the start then i think you give yourself a better chance.
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Think its been said already, but open up slightlty to allow for the angle so your not closing off or playing around. Your front pad. Also find good to drive thru extra cover burt don't get drawn into playing too wide let them bowl at you will soon get fed up if leaving one wide of off stick.
If the angle/swing is worrying you bat a yard out of your crease to reduce the angle/swing