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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: Howzat on April 26, 2011, 08:35:22 PM
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Do you agree?
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Completely disagree! I think cricket is a game which breaks class and even racial barriers.
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It does, but it still goes on....
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it is, almost all of the county age group teams consist of public school kids
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it is, almost all of the county age group teams consist of public school kids
Did you mean private school because I don't get your point. Maybe I don't understand how the school system works there. For me public schools would mean where everyone goes and private school would be elitist.
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it is, almost all of the county age group teams consist of public school kids
Couldnt agree more. I think as you get older it changes, but realistically down south its much more of an elitest sport when you are young.
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In the UK.....
Public School - Private School/Borders IE elitist
State/Comprehensive - Free for all mate
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Hmmm. At a youth level, nearly all county teams consist of kids whose parents can afford to/ are able to transport them, simply because it isn't cheap. No it isn't fair. Neither is life.
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We have had a young Indian turn up at our club wanting a game, he works in town and we are giving him free team kit, gloves, pads and also sorting brand new spikes for £10 and a bat for £40, making it affordable and gaining a new member. Anyone can play for us, we don't have an elitist view but we have also homed Posh Boys too, all welcome.
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Hmmm. At a youth level, nearly all county teams consist of kids whose parents can afford to/ are able to transport them, simply because it isn't cheap. No it isn't fair. Neither is life.
It's not so much about transporting them, more about their parents paying for their weekly coaching and therefore befriending the junior level coaches who select the county team. A fair few mates of mine went for trials and weren't even watched when playing as the coaches were talking to parents of kids who were essentially already in the team
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Im sorry, but the county side i play in lancashire isn't full of public school kids!
When we were in the u14's we had 1 private school lad, and we won the national championship that year!
I think up north, with a lot of the lads i know who play for durham derbyshire yorkshire etc, none of them are private school boys, though down south, i know that a lot of them are private school lads!
I don't think you can judge youth county cricket, yes it can be expensive, my side lancashire is the only county side i know in which you have to pay for your full kit! But we don't have an elitist attitude, we have a pakistani lad who came over from there when he was 12, and we have lads who come from some tough schools! None of us are snobs or elitist.
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From the public/state school side of things it also comes down to the amount of time and the quality of facilities the public school has. I am head of a PE department in an inner city school and in terms of time we have 4 weeks of 3 fifty minute lessons on cricket for each year group in the summer plus whatever time I am able to give after school as a club. We have indoor nets but are unable to use them as the netting is in a state of disrepair nor do we have the matting to put down on the floor and never have in the 6 years I have been there. I took me four years to get an artificial wicket for us to play matches on!
The two public schools in the city on the other hand allocate a lot more time in lessons to sport, have much better facilities to play and practice on such as good quality grass wickets (one of which is used by a WCL premier league side) which are maintained by full time groundsmen, indoor and outdoor net bays/ bowling machines etc.
Obviously this is only my experience of what the situation is in schools here but I can imagine it is similar elsewhere. I have some excellent cricketers in my teams from very poor backgrounds and some very average but hugely enthusiastic kids who love cricket. I'm sure if I had the time and resources that some of the public schools have in my state school more of them would make county squads/play to a higher level. Of course it still doesn't solve the transport issues that many of the kids have to get to clubs in the communities.
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My point didn't really make much sense! All im trying to say is, don't judge from what you heard
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as with any sport, different people play it in different ways, yes there are ignorant upper class snobs who play the game thinking it makes them better than others, and also the working class who look to include others and play for fun.
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it does 100%, especially if your trying to get into age group county
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In the UK.....
Public School - Private School/Borders IE elitist
State/Comprehensive - Free for all mate
Actually,
Private school - fee paying from all
public school- Lots of scholorships handed out, few pay TONS, and lots of people donating cash etc.
State school- free
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Definitely not at my level lol
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We have all sorts at our clubs, hence why im still there.
But our minor county I gave seen is very selective, and almost takes the P*** as they only select from 3/4 main clubs and dont give my club a look in when we are playing the 2nd possible highest standard
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Im sorry, but the county side i play in lancashire isn't full of public school kids!
When we were in the u14's we had 1 private school lad, and we won the national championship that year!
I think up north, with a lot of the lads i know who play for durham derbyshire yorkshire etc, none of them are private school boys, though down south, i know that a lot of them are private school lads!
I don't think you can judge youth county cricket, yes it can be expensive, my side lancashire is the only county side i know in which you have to pay for your full kit! But we don't have an elitist attitude, we have a pakistani lad who came over from there when he was 12, and we have lads who come from some tough schools! None of us are snobs or elitist.
Are you talking about Mohammed Abid? I have played with him a couple of times, talented player he is. Which club do you play for mate?
Cricket is definitely a game where you need to have money to succeed and go far (NOT NECCESARILY THOUGH). I spoke to a coach who coaches a Lancashire U14 player and he told me that MONEY is a big factor for young county cricketers. He showed me that most of the kids there have parents who are willing to invest in their kids in terms of quality gear, one on one coaching etc. to improve their cricket. That said, it is not always true. He coaches a bunch of kids for free on the weekends, which I highly respect. So its more about Money than attending State or Public School, but if you have money I would assume you would send your kids to Private School.
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Are you talking about Mohammed Abid? I have played with him a couple of times, talented player he is. Which club do you play for mate?
Cricket is definitely a game where you need to have money to succeed and go far (NOT NECCESARILY THOUGH). I spoke to a coach who coaches a Lancashire U14 player and he told me that MONEY is a big factor for young county cricketers. He showed me that most of the kids there have parents who are willing to invest in their kids in terms of quality gear, one on one coaching etc. to improve their cricket. That said, it is not always true. He coaches a bunch of kids for free on the weekends, which I highly respect. So its more about Money than attending State or Public School, but if you have money I would assume you would send your kids to Private School.
I most certainly am, he is a very good leggie!
Me and him got into the side in the same year! Really nice lad! Will be very surprised if he doesn't make it!
I play at padiham cc now, was formerly at lowerhouse cc
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My brother has been involved with the Kent set up in the past few years, found alot of the boys there go to private schools. The coaches seem to like the kids to play alot of cricket and other sports to a high standard. Its the public schools that usually offer that.
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We have all sorts at our clubs, hence why im still there.
But our minor county I gave seen is very selective, and almost takes the P*** as they only select from 3/4 main clubs and dont give my club a look in when we are playing the 2nd possible highest standard
Surely though, a minor county is going to want the best, not the second best?
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Surely though, a minor county is going to want the best, not the second best?
That is true, but they dont give our club a look in all because we are a village side, and play the same standard as 2 of those clubs so
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It is the same in Australia as we inherited it from the motherland. There has only been 3 Australian Captains who have not attended elite public schools, Bill Lawry, Ricky Ponting and Michael Clarke.
Cricket at high levels is dominated by public school kids and government school kids are left to make up the numbers. Migrant minorities play most of there cricket in the lower leagues and the good ones which are few are recruited to high grade cricket. India is the worst for making cricket elite as selection is based class and money leaving the poor and talented cricketers to look on.
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I remember when i was 15 playing for Lancashire Schools there was me and one other who had to catch a train to a home game.
When we got there there were plenty of big cars around and i did feel out of place..
I remember putting on my 2nd hand welkins and getting my trust DF magnum out given to me by Glen Chapple about 4 years earlier.. They had all the best kit as well...
In them days it was all about Rossall and QEGS at Blackburn.
But in saying that the people who made it went to none of them schools and the work i have seen done at the junior level is incurging and crickets from all backgrounds are getting a chance and rightly so..
Good to see the current Lancashire side some working class lads there taking there chance
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2 years ago my Middlesex team was basically all private school, now its about half and half, with 3 Bengali lads who are so talented. They wouldnt get a chance in playing for a county team, if it wasn't for a scheme run in tower hamlets. They are all driven to practice, or matches by a coach on the scheme, its amazing. I shouldn't really comment but, they defiantly struggle financially, I think one of the boys parents are still in Bangladesh.