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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Johnny on July 16, 2011, 04:47:40 PM
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We all know they are illegal. In people's eyes who is worse; the players who use the bats or the batmakers who make them?
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Batmaker: it's like drugs are illegal but people still use them, who's in the wrong user or dealer/grower?
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Who is worse? perhaps the MCC for stifling innovation.
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Batmaker: it's like drugs are illegal but people still use them, who's in the wrong user or dealer/grower?
Prescription drugs are legal but easily obtained via many outlets.
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Do you think we will have the same conversation about carbo handles in the future?
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right thats it i wanna laminate with a carbo handle, who can fix me up?
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carbo handles aren't illegal are they?
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i think so
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carbo handles aren't illegal are they?
I think it's dependant on the amount of carbon in the handle, can't be any more than about 15% I think, it's something like that anyway..... :)
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And if you have a carbo handle containing more than that, then you are obviously a cheat!! ;)
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i thought it only applied to professional cricket
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i thought it only applied to professional cricket
Correct. Any bats with full carbon handles can continue to be used in none professional games. New bats cannot be manufactured with more than 15% other materials than cane.
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And for the record, the blame lies at the door of the players and the batmakers. Both know they're illegal.
I'd like to see the MCC along with the ICC getting tough and reverse any ICC approval for bat brands who are producing illegal bats. Perhaps with a warning initially.
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So Tom - if a new sponsored player was using a laminate of a brand, then should the player be banned, or should the brand that sponsors the player be banned? (hyperthetically of course)
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Both should be banned, once an inquiry has been carried out. The player from matches. The brand from having it's logo displayed on equipment used in the professional game.
And I'll admit, I'm no shining light. I've unintentionally commissioned illegal bats to be made and seen them used in professional matches. Hence why I'd suggest a warning system, there are lots of laws some of which are confusingly worded (the MCC have to take a small part of the blame for this!). But I'd never knowingly produce an illegal bat or knowingly allow a player to use an illegal bat under my brand.
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I think i'm with you Tom. Both parties ought to be punished. Would love to see the authorities crack down on it. Maybe we could form a CBF vigilante bat squad!
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i think a part of the solution has to be getting rid of the supply. Folk on here go crazy for the TK Lams and will seemingly pay good money. Ultimately it shouldnt be allowed
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Hard for the MCC to do any more, other than enforce it at a professional level. They are banned in any game played under MCC laws. We've all played in Pub games with 8 ball overs, no LBW etc. etc. These games aren't played under MCC laws, and the batmakers will just say the bats are made for use in such games. The MCC cannot ban someone for making a cricket bat full stop, it can only outlaw it in any game of cricket it governs.
It is rather like seatbelts, it is the law to wear one (and make cars with them) intended for use on the public road (where the government has authority); however they cannot make you wear a seatbelt if you're driving on a private race track.
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Its all well and good us debating on the forum the legalities of laminated bats but I cant see them vanishing
Id imagine that there is at least one batsman in every international match using a laminated bat.
Didnt Ponting use one during the Ashes? Some of the Indian batsmen are using spectacularly large bats but that doesnt imply they are Lams. I saw just last week a Malik bat used by Sohail Tanveer that was a blatant Lam.
As long as there is a demand then there will be a supplier rest assured.
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Agree Charlie - they can't stop X brand selling or making illegal bats. But they can make it significantly more difficult for them to sell them by a producing a release making clear they're illegal for use in MCC regulated games and taking them off the ICC approved supplier list. Thereby minimising their endorsements.
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don't the MCC have some governance over bat makers? What about the A grade labels they now have to apply? If a manufacturer is knowingly applying an A grade label to a non-compliant bat, then surely someone somewhere should be able to step in and do something?
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Is it fair to take them off the ICC approved supplier list because they made a bat that they'd say they sold explicitly not for use in an MCC game? I don't think that'd stick...
Ferrari make track-only cars. Are you going to ban them from selling their ordinary cars because some people drive their track cars on the road?
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don't the MCC have some governance over bat makers? What about the A grade labels they now have to apply? If a manufacturer is knowingly applying an A grade label to a non-compliant bat, then surely someone somewhere should be able to step in and do something?
I'm not sure an MCC A Grade sticker being applied to a laminate is the main problem here...! Laminates aren't officially being sold, so they wouldn't apply such a sticker. Again though, the batmaker wouldn't apply such a sticker (even if they were officially sold) as they'd say they're not intended for use in MCC governed games.
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If you want a bat to be able to be used in MCC regulated games it needs a Type sticker. A, B or C.
If you produce an incorrectly graded bat the MCC can contact the MCC and national governing bodies to ban the bats from all authorised cricket.
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Is it fair to take them off the ICC approved supplier list because they made a bat that they'd say they sold explicitly not for use in an MCC game? I don't think that'd stick...
Ferrari make track-only cars. Are you going to ban them from selling their ordinary cars because some people drive their track cars on the road?
It would depend on if they'd stickered it up in their livery and the MCC type A sticker is there. If it's used in a First Class game and the Type A sticker isn't there, then ban the player. If it's used in a First Class game and the Type a sticker is there, ban them both.
The Type A sticker is akin to a registration plate on a Ferrari.
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If you want a bat to be able to be used in MCC regulated games it needs a Type sticker. A, B or C.
If you produce an incorrectly graded bat the MCC can contact the MCC and national governing bodies to ban the bats from all authorised cricket.
Isn't the point that the batmaker will say it isn't intended for such use, and it is the player that is at fault? Hence why it is almost impossible for the MCC to do anything more...
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Isn't the point that the batmaker will say it isn't intended for such use, and it is the player that is at fault? Hence why it is almost impossible for the MCC to do anything more...
The batmaker shouldn't have put any grading sticker on it then. A grading sticker means that the batmaker has allowed it to be used in MCC games.
As I said before, if there's no grading sticker and the player uses it. Ban the player. If there is a sticker and the player uses it. Ban them both.
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What about players that sticker up their own bats without their sponsors knowledge?
Im assuming that not all brands check the actual bat that displays their livery before the sponsored batsman heads out to bat.
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What about players that sticker up their own bats without their sponsors knowledge?
Im assuming that not all brands check the actual bat that displays their livery before the sponsored batsman heads out to bat.
Stickering up softs is worse in my eyes
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What about players that sticker up their own bats without their sponsors knowledge?
Im assuming that not all brands check the actual bat that displays their livery before the sponsored batsman heads out to bat.
If you're giving out stickers to players you're ultimately responsible for what they go on in my eyes. After all, they're gonna take the credit if he scores a ton with that bat.
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Perhaps a ICC squad of examiners who can turn up at any first class match or bat manufacturers at any time to inspect all bats? Licence to go anywhere?
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They do occasionally check at matches, just not often enough. Been caught once...
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I was caught by an oppo player who spotted mine when I was knocking up because of the distance short littel prods were flying! Then threatened to shop me to the owner of D&P ( his mate in SA ) as I have the stickers on the bat.. he let me play with it he said because he wanted to see it in action in a match..51 off 20 odd balls later he was calling the league secretary :D
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im scared of getting caught with mine. so tend to only use it in sunday games lol
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Maybe they could hire freelance detectives to examine bats - call them The Unflappables or something. Tom - you'd be ideal as you can spot them.
You could carry a badge and everything 8)
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do these bats perform significantly better than a top performing keeley pressed bat? i'm dubious tbh
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Maybe they could hire freelance detectives to examine bats - call them The Unflappables or something. Tom - you'd be ideal as you can spot them.
You could carry a badge and everything 8)
haha not sure too many club cricketers would know what a laminate bat is, never mind someone going round inspecting there bats
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do these bats perform significantly better than a top performing keeley pressed bat? i'm dubious tbh
id say so yeah. dont get me wrong ur not gonna beable to hit the ball an extra 20 meters but i find that for normal shots like pushes and stuff u get alot more out of it. if there was no gain out of it why wud tim make them?
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interesting site
http://engineeringsport.co.uk/2009/10/27/cricket-bat-innovation-smothered-by-law-6/ (http://engineeringsport.co.uk/2009/10/27/cricket-bat-innovation-smothered-by-law-6/)
I like the idea of genetically engineered super willow
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Repairs are allowed are they not. Is a laminate a refaced bat?
You could argue that I think.
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Surface damage, which a refacing would repair, cannot be repaired with solid material.
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To be fair, no-one who doesn't know will spot it. my 'uzi' is not at all obvious and is rather like betting with a trampoline in your hand. you'd need to be in the know.
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I was talking to someone who was saying that he was supplying a county cricketer with laminates. When the player questioned it's legality, he said to send the bats to him and he would reface the bats and class it as a repair.
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Mike?
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It would depend on if they'd stickered it up in their livery and the MCC type A sticker is there. If it's used in a First Class game and the Type A sticker isn't there, then ban the player. If it's used in a First Class game and the Type a sticker is there, ban them both.
The Type A sticker is akin to a registration plate on a Ferrari.
I tend to agree with Tom on this one
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If you edge tape along the whole length and use a toe guard. no one will find out. as long as the grains on the front and back are similar. i think someone ( an established player) used a bat with heartwood on the back and a clean face. . .then that makes it obvious to spot.
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The easiest way to police the use of Lams is via the umpires.
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I think the point here is though if batmakers are purposely grading them grade A with the new grading system as required by the mcc, which they obviously are, and batsmen are using then knowing they are laminates action should be taken on both parties.
Lets not forget here that bats need to be stickered, stamped, marked as Grade A to be used in professional cricket.
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Can u imagine the reaction if an umpire pulls up a player of stature ? It would need some balls to do. Umpires must know it goes on.
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I've an idea. Lets make balls with bigger, more pronounced seams that stay shinier for longer, then let the batsmen use laminates...
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I don't understand really.... If todays bats are bigger and better and the batmakers of today who are making these bats are some of the best in the world and their bats are claimed as the best then why do they even consider making these bats for international cricketers knowing full well they are illegal.
Who are the batmakers that are making these laminates???.. TK is one... who else?.. I know Laver has made laminates...not faced laminates that i know of.. just laminated edges..not sure if that would class them as performance enhancing or not but the ones we have all seen from them were claimed as grade B anyway, rightly or wrongly so not graded to be used in professional cricket...
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Lets not forget here that bats need to be stickered, stamped, marked as Grade A to be used in professional cricket.
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Kirk Edwards scrambles the single that takes him to a debut century, West Indies v India, 3rd Test, Dominica, 4th day, July 9, 2011©AFP
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I've an idea. Lets make balls with bigger, more pronounced seams that stay shinier for longer, then let the batsmen use laminates...
Just ban Kookaburra balls and use Dukes. (Dukes have a proper seam)
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Kirk Edwards scrambles the single that takes him to a debut century, West Indies v India, 3rd Test, Dominica, 4th day, July 9, 2011©AFP
Doesn't mean there isn't a stamp on the shoulder
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Can u imagine the reaction if an umpire pulls up a player of stature ? It would need some balls to do. Umpires must know it goes on.
If the bat is a lam then the player gets reported. Simple , regardless of the player. Think of it like a breathalyzer test but 100% accurate.
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Doesn't mean there isn't a stamp on the shoulder
Maybe someone has pics of bats stamped on the shoulders stating Grade A , B or C as I have not seen it. (that of course does not mean some bats are).
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Where do companies like Kookaburra and GN place the Grading sticker/stamp???.. I haven't seen any
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I thought it was part of the handle top sticker so easily swappable...
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I just noticed that GM is on the back up near the top shoulder
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Maybe someone has pics of bats stamped on the shoulders stating Grade A , B or C as I have not seen it. (that of course does not mean some bats are).
2010 Mongooses were stamped at the shoulder, only 2011 did they switch to a sticker.
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And I'll admit, I'm no shining light. I've unintentionally commissioned illegal bats to be made and seen them used in professional matches.
were these Mongoose bats?
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I won't comment on what they were. But they were used and once I'd realised the mistake, spent the next week travelling around making them legal. They weren't performance improving and it was a small technicality, but they were illegal under Law 6 nevertheless.
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We all know they are illegal. In people's eyes who is worse; the players who use the bats or the batmakers who make them?
Players. It's cheating
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Something doesn't make sense to me in all this. TK is without doubt one of the most highly respected and well thought of batmakers around, yet that he makes lams is the worst kept secret. I wonder why a man with his skill and reputation would create these things which, as has been proven in this thread, can potentially create such ill feeling?
It would fit better if a batmaker of poor reputation was making them, not someone of Keeley's stature.
I just don't see the point of them. They are expensive, they are illegal in 90% of games if you go by the book and to me they should be nothing more than a novelty to be used in nets.
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outside of this forum, how many people do you think actually know about laminates....
i can safely say i dont think i know a cricketer outside this forum that knows who Tim keeley is let alone a laminate...
I still want one tho
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i agree with canners!
10% of the cricket comunity will probs know what they are
people on the forum and some batmakers
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i agree with canners!
10% of the cricket comunity will probs know what they are
people on the forum and some batmakers
It is fair to say that someone using one at the level the majority of us play is never really going to be an issue, but the concern is that they are being used at higher levels. It just seems like Mr Keeley stands to lose an awful lot comparative to what he could ever gain from making these bats.
Although TK lams are the ones most frequently mentioned, it makes me wonder if anyone else is making them too.
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if anyone can get me one 2.9 finished with a low middle please be so kind to let me know ;)
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i can get some weight taken of mine :P
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id need half the bat removed to use one of your monsters, or a bit more time spent in the gym lol
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2.11 to 2.9 lol its only big more concaving lol
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Something doesn't make sense to me in all this. TK is without doubt one of the most highly respected and well thought of batmakers around, yet that he makes lams is the worst kept secret. I wonder why a man with his skill and reputation would create these things which, as has been proven in this thread, can potentially create such ill feeling?
It would fit better if a batmaker of poor reputation was making them, not someone of Keeley's stature.
I just don't see the point of them. They are expensive, they are illegal in 90% of games if you go by the book and to me they should be nothing more than a novelty to be used in nets.
This is exactly what I don't understand as well jon... What I was trying to get at in a roundabout sort of way
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You guys are sooo naive.
The authorities KNOW that lams are being used by many international players.
Yet they nod and wink and tolerate it.
Why?
Because of more sixes.
More sixes look good on TV and attract bigger crowds through the turnstiles...which equals more $$$.
Besides, the Indian players love their lams.
Do you think the BCCI...errr, the ICC will enforce their hypocritical ban?
Don't hold your breathe.
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Sorry Vic. I disagree. They're not tough enough, but they by no means allow it.
That comes from experience, I had 3 meetings along with a warning from the ECB and MCC after a player used one of my bats which was illegal in nets and was caught. We had to prove the remaining of the shop bats were legal.
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you must be "sooo naive" then tom ;)
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Sorry Vic. I disagree. They're not tough enough, but they by no means allow it.
That comes from experience, I had 3 meetings along with a warning from the ECB and MCC after a player used one of my bats which was illegal in nets and was caught. We had to prove the remaining of the shop bats were legal.
oh that explains the recall
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Yep. By no means are the MCC allowing it. Just umpires don't know how to spot them, not enough checks are made and the rules are too wooly.
Players are randomly checked for drugs after matches. The same should happen with bats.
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Is there not an MCC chap on here that was in discussion with Norbs and Talisman last year about the legality of cricket bats ?
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The same should happen with bats.
Bats should be checked prior to the game even starting (like rugby boot studs) and also when the batsmen arrive at the crease. I have had many emails with the MCC about this but it would appear from their last reply I was maybe asking them to actually do their job and they have gone silent.
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Bats should be checked prior to the game even starting (like rugby boot studs) and also when the batsmen arrive at the crease. I have had many emails with the MCC about this but it would appear from their last reply I was maybe asking them to actually do their job and they have gone silent.
Maybe they have done what I have done... all emails from your address go into a nice little folder called "James's Musings" which I might get around to reading one day ;)
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Only just realised what the 'TK' stands for!
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Tommy Ketchup ;) after having a few beers at Cheltenham with the worcs lads it seems that some pros stock up on these and use them in games!!
one hadnt even heard of them before whilst the other was more than familiar with them and what benefit they offer
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TK lams are now an enigma of sorts. Any Lam can claim to be a TK and there is no one on the flip side that will state it is not :D
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easy enough to find out by checking the handle and workmanship if uv got a trained eye
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easy enough to find out by checking the handle and workmanship if uv got a trained eye
That is if the buyer has a TK Lam at hand to cross reference with which of course would defeat the whole overall purpose of buying one.
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With the dwindling supply of Grade 1 willow as time goes by, Lams will be completely legalized within a decade for practical reasons.
I don't know about the MCC, but the BCCI will never enforce the ban on lams. The IPL would die of boredom if lams were strictly stamped out.
MCC no longer run the game, the BCCI do.
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easy enough to find out by checking the handle and workmanship if uv got a trained eye
Tom i may need to borrow your trained eye soon, whats the going rate ?
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Tom i may need to borrow your trained eye soon, whats the going rate ?
An eye 4 an eye :D
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i quite like my eyes thanks.....
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Call it a pint michael ;) lol and a pack of pork scratchings!
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done deal mate.......
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And I thought all TK laminates came with a shoulder stamp denoting year and month of manufacture...
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/Uzi-50mm15.jpg)
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wasnt yours a newbery? so i guess that would explain it....
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only newberys are stamped mate
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Indeed, only bats made for newbery will have their stamp upon them as well as the stickers.....yours is prob a very rare breed Tim!
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u have c3 stamped lol
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u have c3 stamped lol
There's one on the side with PO on it...
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You guys are sooo naive.
The authorities KNOW that lams are being used by many international players.
Yet they nod and wink and tolerate it.
Why?
Because of more sixes.
More sixes look good on TV and attract bigger crowds through the turnstiles...which equals more $$$.
Besides, the Indian players love their lams.
Do you think the BCCI...errr, the ICC will enforce their hypocritical ban?
Don't hold your breathe.
If a batmaker can't make a bat that will hit sixes then maybe they shouldn't be making bats
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Precisely. Sixes existed long before laminates.
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Do these bats give a noticeable advantage to the batsman?
i am not totally convinced on that.!! i have had two of these btw.
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i thought this would be the case unless you get a really good one?
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A Pro Cleft bat will offer far better performance than any Lam any day of the week.
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but i bet it wont last very long?
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but i bet it wont last very long?
Another cricket bat myth. Who said low density clefts will not last ?
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how about you get me one and let me find out ;)
Another cricket bat myth. Who said low density clefts will not last ?
my one didnt last very long
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A Pro Cleft bat will offer far better performance than any Lam any day of the week.
what about a pro cleft with a laminated face?
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what about a pro cleft with a laminated face?
Why would you even want to lam a low density cleft when a ldc can out perform an illegal bat ?
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why do pro's use lams then? especially pro's that could get some of the best willow there is...
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why do pro's use lams then? especially pro's that could get some of the best willow there is
very good point
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how about you get me one and let me find out ;)
my one didnt last very long
But you're supposed to use it to play cricket canners! ;)
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haha, i needed to use something to knock those tent pegs in tho :)
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Surely batsmen would realise its illegal? Therefore they wouldn't do it
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Surely batsmen would realise its illegal? Therefore they wouldn't do it
you'd like to think that, and i think most that know anything about bats would not use them... i'd hope :)
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wasnt Ponting known for using one?
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not gonna argue with you james, i sent you proof of one, not willing to say it on here. Take it how you want but i m not here to argue or call people out.
My posts have been removed Sam so it's a dead duck of a discussion.
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well that saves a touchy subject. nothing more said from me.
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At the very least it's fair to say that whoever uses an illegal product is a cheat.
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http://www.callencricket.com.au/testimonials.asp
Go about half way down and look at the "20/20 cricket laminated flat bat"
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A Pro Cleft bat will offer far better performance than any Lam any day of the week.
biggest load of (No Swearing Please) i have ever heard.
i AM SO SICK OF THIS PRO SPEC CLEFT BAT (No Swearing Please)!
they dont get bats any better than the rest of us! maybe they get a lower desity cleft at a push but many of us have them as well,
all bull (No Swearing Please).
the tk lams have amazing performance! but my 3.2 destinction has better middle than the lam. it is not a pro spec bat its just a big bat
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At the very least it's fair to say that whoever uses an illegal product is a cheat.
Somebody check my pulse please, I agree with this completely.
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biggest load of (No Swearing Please) i have ever heard.
i AM SO SICK OF THIS PRO SPEC CLEFT BAT (No Swearing Please)!
they dont get bats any better than the rest of us! maybe they get a lower desity cleft at a push but many of us have them as well,
all bull (No Swearing Please).
the tk lams have amazing performance! but my 3.2 destinction has better middle than the lam. it is not a pro spec bat its just a big bat
It is one of the million or so phrases that get banded around by people trying to sell bats to us. It is also a topic that has been discussed ad nauseum here. Even big producers like GN have got so wrapped up in this pro bat nonsense that their range is confused. They produce 'limited edition' grade as well as 'pro performance' grade. Someone please tell me the difference, or which is 'better'. I bet the answer from GN would be contradictory. Now of course we are told that the England captain has suddenly become an expert in selecting willow, so much so indeed that we are invited to pay £1000 for his expert eye.
I must admit that pair of Black Cat 'pro' bats made me giggle. Priced higher than most because they had been offered to, and rejected by several well known pros. Probably the worst looking BC bats I've yet seen, grain wise at least. But add that 'pro' moniker and folks will fight for them. They were sold as special because they were supposedly big for their weight (low density in not so many words), but frankly these days if you want a big light bat, buy just about anything made in Pakistan. Huge, huge bats. And please, don't try and argue that there is a difference - of course there is, but it isn't one that should logically make one 3 times as expensive...
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Having used a tk lam I can't say the middle was noticeably (sorry about the spelling Jon) better than my other bats I've had I have found after a bat is "grade 1/a" there's not much difference in performance other than form just in pick up due to the skill of the maker/quality of the machine ;) as most are pressed in the same place or by someone that knows what there doing hopefully
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No it's just I thought I may have spelt it wrong and you seem to be an articulate chap
No offence was intended sorry
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No it's just I thought I may have spelt it wrong and you seem to be an articulate chap
No offence was intended sorry
Removed, sorry chap. Compleet misinturpritashun. ;)
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It's all good no harm done as I tend to agree with you over the whole "pro bat" thing as too many get sucked in when I was told by a person who seemed to know his stuff you can get the over dried/artificial low density thing by sticking your bat in the airing cupboard so as to loose ounces but keep the size
I tend to think it's the bloke using it that makes the difference
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too right roco
although the air dried technology or airing cupboard does work and works well i think i have perfected it now.
But all in all it not the bat it the player
bats are a tool but the batsman is the tradesman
Laminates seen a few never seen the point
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I must admit that pair of Black Cat 'pro' bats made me giggle. Priced higher than most because they had been offered to, and rejected by several well known pros.
Think I said quite clearly recently somewhere that they weren't rejected, they were in fact very popular, but the players weren't going to play £300+.
Had you seen the bats in the flesh yourself and formed your opinion based on that, I'd accept it. You haven't, and have therefore you are talking complete rubbish.
Yes the area of pro/players bats is a grey area, I have sold 'standard' bats to professional players to sticker up. However the general consensus is that a pro/players bat is one that is very big for the weight, and one that 'pings' very well, but may not last as long. If you're seriously telling me there's no difference between these and a standard bat performance wise, then you must never have seen or played with one!
That said, my point on such bats is this: most people don't actually want one. You buy such a bat in full knowledge that it will go like an absolute rocket, but if you play a fair bit of cricket, it might last you a third or a half of a season. Not many people are happy with spending very good money on a bat that will last them 700 odd runs, and rightly so.
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Interesting post Charlie. So pros have bought a standard 'shop' bat at what I presume was £240, but aren't willing to pay the extra £60 for a pro bat. How much better were they?
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Interesting post Charlie. So pros have bought a standard 'shop' bat at what I presume was £240, but aren't willing to pay the extra £60 for a pro bat. How much better were they?
There have been instances where players have bought bats that one wouldn't class as a 'pro bat' but they've been more than happy with it as it has still been miles better than what their sponsor has given them. I do not charge full price to players as they tend to buy 5/6 a season, amongst many other reasons. One such reason is if you support a team and one of their main players needs a good bat, then you'd do your best to help him out. A bit like a Liverpool cabbie who would probably drive Steven Gerrard for free to a game, yet would charge full price to a punter...
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I presume from that you also offered the 'pro' bat out too, at a discounted price? If so why didn't they take it?
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I presume from that you also offered the 'pro' bat out too, at a discounted price? If so why didn't they take it?
Crikey you want an argument tonight. You're not going to get one from me, it's not my ideal way of spending a Friday night arguing on an online forum...
The player I promised some bats to loved them but they were too light for him. His teammates were very interested, but I told them I'd get in touch if it was available after putting them up for sale here.
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I'm only questioning you because none of your stories add up!
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Tom often seems to try and bait people into arguments these days!
Obviously his pubity hormones are kicking in! He'll be shaving next! ;)
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Seems as if you're questioning me because you have nothing better to do, to be honest.
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Feeling a bit like handbags at dawn, this conversation...
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i disagree i think tom has been freed from the publicity crap many get into
pro bats bloody hell there that pro joe bloggs of the bat forum is using them...
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Dave, don't disagree with you, just commenting on the sentiment coming through!
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can BlackCat source laminates?
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can BlackCat source laminates?
No, and my personal opinion on them is I wouldn't be happy to supply them if I could.
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In the last 2 years i have had 4 "pro" bats one for morkel,kholi,azmat,jadhav
and i tell you this all were brand new and all bar one nothing special and i have the special one now
im missing the point i know but are laminates all that as well
i saw a tk one sounded good but nothing extrodinary
anyhow most like me will not see a difference
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can BlackCat source laminates?
I asked this earlier and got a no as well
I bet he'd give steven gerrard one if he was a Liverpool fan tho ;)
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Seems as if you're questioning me because you have nothing better to do, to be honest.
Just returning the compliment for the questioning I got whilst at Mongoose from you :p
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I asked this earlier and got a no as well
I bet he'd give steven gerrard one if he was a Liverpool fan tho ;)
I am a Liverpool fan and I'd give Stevie G my car if he asked for it...
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interesting listening on the test match on sky now..
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Yes as Bumble said the 4th umpire checks the bats for width and has a caliper to measure it.
If a laminated bat is being used there would be plenty of edge tape id imagine and it would be a thin laminated front. The Umps must be clued up on Lams?
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Yes as Bumble said the 4th umpire checks the bats for width and has a caliper to measure it.
If a laminated bat is being used there would be plenty of edge tape id imagine and it would be a thin laminated front. The Umps must be clued up on Lams?
Yes PM7 but the 4th umpire is not out in the middle where the bat is being used to commit the offence.
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Working within a team it wouldnt take much to have a word with his 2 fellow umpires on the field.
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Surely they could show a legal bat, to prove it and then take an illegal one out of bag or locker and bat with it?
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If the bat is a lam then the player gets reported. Simple , regardless of the player. Think of it like a breathalyzer test but 100% accurate.
Remember what happened the last time an umpire was balsy enough to enforce the laws of the game? He called Murali for chucking, then copped it from everywhere......and so ended the courage of umpires.