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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Liam-SCCC on July 26, 2011, 11:26:59 AM
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What are the reasons for your answer?
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Not particularly a fan, would rather have more timber behind the spine to assist with middled shots - after all the idea is to middle the ball
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i used a bat at the weekend that has massive amounts of concaving, the middle when hit flew, but anywhere else i may as well have been using a kashmir plank, my match bat has subtle concaving and that works a treat.... my next bats will all have minimal concaving
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its a trade off between edge thickness and spine height.
you cant really have both without the concaving
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Not particularly a fan, would rather have more timber behind the spine to assist with middled shots - after all the idea is to middle the ball
So you do like concaving then?
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So you do like concaving then?
No mate. Especially when you some of those lavers getting about. Big shark fin looking things haha. My match bat has been a paradox which does have concaving, but nothing major. Previously I have just used Screaming Cats which have traditional profiles and they are awesome. Don't see all the hype about huge edges - but I'm not a 'slogger' I tend to rely on overpitched deliveries and work the ball about. Can see how they could possibly be beneficial for blokes who go hard all the time and are liable to mistiming their shots
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no concave for me either, prefer having the wood spread out so it feels you middle it every time
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Like it. Means the wood can be distributed to where you actually hit it and at lighter weights, with a better pick up
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I like a little concaving, aloways found it a bit more forgiving for a lower order batter like myself
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A bit of concaving imho is good for a balance of pickup and a larger middle. Had a couple of concaved bats and they've been as good as anything at the weight.
Some of the extreme concaving I've seen is pointless.
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I prefer concaving as it helps you with fast bat speed/swing.
Its also good for balance and pick up.
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what nick said
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I like a little bit of concaving as I bat in quite an aggressive manor in the middle order of the 1st team and tend to be sent in to accelerate the run rate. A little bit of concaving gives some of leaway when trying to force the odd shot that perhaps isn't quite there. If I play in the seconds I bat top 3 and will tend to use a bat with no concaving as I have the luxury of waiting for the correct ball to play at and therefore am more confident of middling it.
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not a fan, perhaps because i like a heavier bat which you can feel when in your stance. Also, you cant beat getting off the mark with a thick outside half in to the covers, cant imagine that the concave bats offer much at the start of your innings while you search for timing.
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love it. modern shapes :D
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i like a bit of it as it can help with edges as i use them far to often :P
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a little concaving is good in my experience as it seems to allow for a better balance to the bat and allows more wood to be put where its needed imho! but then i don't claim to know a great pile
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I remember having a conversation in ask the batmaker about this with Norbs. At the time he stated it was basically a vanity thing and doesn't really help the performance of the bat. In terms of looks I agree with him totally. My best looking bat is the laver with pretty much no concaving (Dynadrive excepted ;)). My best performing bat seems to have concaving, although certainly no shark's fin, and I haven't tested the Laver yet. Personally, I prefer without, I'd say, but each to their own...
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Within moderation. I don't like too much of it.
Love a GM Purist, but also like the Icon. Doesn't bother me really.
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definitely concaving! best bat i ever had was a GN Xiphos, and those had scoops!!
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i am undecided, dont think i am a massive concaving fan, but not sure i am a non concaving fan!
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i am undecided, dont think i am a massive concaving fan, but not sure i am a non concaving fan!
nice contribution fella ;)
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i like concaving but at the minute enjoying the none concaved bat in a heavier weight which gives me more coverage.
I feel the concaved bat is a inform batsman bat who expects to middle the ball more than often
I feel for modern day cricket coverage is more important so although my newreserve has a smaller amount of concaving it is not as extreme as usual.
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i like concaving but at the minute enjoying the none concaved bat in a heavier weight which gives me more coverage.
I feel the concaved bat is a inform batsman bat who expects to middle the ball more than often
I feel for modern day cricket coverage is more important so although my newreserve has a smaller amount of concaving it is not as extreme as usual.
Dave i like the sound of this laver, any pics reviews lined up?
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Not a fan of it myself at all that's why I tend to request no/very little concaving as like some meat in my bats
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nice contribution fella ;)
haha just thought i'd let you know i had splinters in my (No Swearing Please) off this fence..
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Whilst I'm on here...
Example: you order a 2lb 9oz bat... one with concaving one without
The starting weight on both the clefts is the same.
The one with concaving doesn't have more wood then the one without. You don't magic wood onto the edge of the bat.
The concaved bat will have a slightly wider middle and be less susceptible to twist [that last bit is debatable] The flat back will have a slightly longer middle.
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do they really have a wider middle if it is extremely concaved as the one i used at the weekend the middle was very narrow.......
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do they really have a wider middle if it is extremely concaved as the one i used at the weekend the middle was very narrow.......
Depends mate, if a different roller is used to create the less curve on the face then you can start with a high weight cleft. With extreme concaving you can reduce the middle to just spine and the edge as that is where the wood mass is.
In general I would say it would be down to the pressing of the bat more then the shape though, as it could be hard pressed and needs loosening or soft pressed and needs hardening. You could probably tell either way by how it felt on the hand when playing shots
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do they really have a wider middle if it is extremely concaved as the one i used at the weekend the middle was very narrow.......
Canners, pm me back mate!
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Depends mate, if a different roller is used to create the less curve on the face then you can start with a high weight cleft. With extreme concaving you can reduce the middle to just spine and the edge as that is where the wood mass is.
In general I would say it would be down to the pressing of the bat more then the shape though, as it could be hard pressed and needs loosening or soft pressed and needs hardening. You could probably tell either way by how it felt on the hand when playing shots
Which ties into what Alex mentioned to me when discussing how a Scoop should work, if done properly. Starting to get the impression that shape of the back has little impact on the overall bounce of the bat, more the way in which it is wielded, while pressing is all about the bounce!
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Having tried a few concaved bats I think for it to work. You tend to need to be in good nick to find the middle. Secondly and this was key it needs to be in good willow. I tried a cheaper bat with concave and it was a plank with a minute middle, a quality bat with concave is a different beast.
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when im in good nick i like concaving when out of form i like no concaving
I call my laver a good form bat and the others as bad.
In my new bats i thinking of no concaving highly dried bit of wood
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I have a GN Nitro 2.7 with no concaving at all ... and around that weight another bat with massive concaving, i did an experiment in Practice with old red cherry.... requested the bowler to bowl some full pitch delieveries.
RESULTS: The bat with no concaving was responding to cover drives very very nice with gentle push however the bat with massive concaving was giving a very weired feeling with gentle push ??? like i have a plank cleft in my hand eh
Keep in mind same bowler same speed same ball. 8)
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I do not like concaving, i will accept a little bit but prefer not to have any...
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Generally prefer traditionally shaped bats, the couple of bats I've had with concaving I haven't really got on with.
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it takes wood away from the main impact area which IMO isn't a good thing
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I like no concaving, but I think a gentle concave is the way to go. (if any!) The most concave I would have in a bat is around this level of concaving:
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030276_zpsc385395e.jpg)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030277_zps6d6ec1af.jpg)
Which isn't much at all!
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I'd prefer the slightest amount or none at all.
Both my match bats, Aldred Supreme and Tempo have only minimal concaving.
I've seen some pictures here where the spine is as wide as I am talented.
I reckon that heavy concaving is cosmetic and tricks the eye into thinking you've got a lot of wood where in reality it's an empty box.
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I'd prefer the slightest amount or none at all.
Both my match bats, Aldred Supreme and Tempo have only minimal concaving.
I've seen some pictures here where the spine is as wide as I am talented.
I reckon that heavy concaving is cosmetic and tricks the eye into thinking you've got a lot of wood where in reality it's an empty box.
Yeah, too much concaving can significantly decrease the performance in a bat IMO. I also have noticed that out of all my bats, although my Newbery Tour has the smallest spine, when tapping up a ball, there is barely any twist when I hit it near the edge, while when I tap up a ball on my brother's Richochet, there is quite a noticeable amount of twisting. IMO, the concave should never go below the edge, if you get what I mean!
I wonder if this is the case in a Dynadrive though... Anyone with one have any thoughts on it? Personally, I would think that the scoops in the Dynadrive work just like concaving, except it has the same benefits of a wider middle. Can't be 100% certain on this though, as I have only seen a really old Dynadrive! :-[
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I am really interested to know what everyone's opinion about non - concave to minimal concave bats with big edges (Tendulkar profile ?). Obviously the spine height is compromised for biggish edges at lower weight .
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After using my e41 this season I am now not a massive fan on concaving, you really had to hit the middle if you wanted to get runs.