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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: norbs on July 26, 2011, 10:12:33 PM
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What do you think the % of sales are from CBF?
What do you know about bats other then saying ping?
Why should anyone care what you state about a piece of equipment? Why is your opinion any good?
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a) small - 10% max?
b) probably not as much as I think - I definitely couldn't make one
c) Why I don't know, but i guess if I didn't, we'd have a crappy forum
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i know nothing only what i have read and understood
my opinion is only as good as the next mans but i try to understand what makes good softs.
Bats well it all down to crust stuff mate i got the idea from you..
Looks of a bat well there not a give away for quality of blade
I understand the theory behind a good bat
I will be honest i do not know how to craft a good bat but i know a good bat when i use one
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For a company like SAF, in the early days I'd say towards 20% but that'll fall the larger you grow. Perhaps 4% now.
I don't know a vast amount about the manufacture bats, compared to Tim Keeley or someone. But can hold my own in a convo about them, know as much as most on here and have helped develop some pretty good bats. Know more about the industry/products than most too.
They shouldn't. Bats are a personal thing, one bat can suit another. But when I talk about the reputation of a maker or the overall quality, then I may be worth a listen due to contacts in shops and batmakers.
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What do you think the % of sales are from CBF? 10%
What do you know about bats other then saying ping? Everything
Why should anyone care what you state about a piece of equipment? What I say goes
Why is your opinion any good? I'm God's gift to cricket
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the customer is always right? Referals are the key? a slating on the internet can snowball? Never patronise the customer even if they know f+ck all?
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the customer is always right? Referals are the key? a slating on the internet can snowball? Never patronise the customer even if they know f+ck all?
You are right.... but why is CBF special, why is your opinion special? Why cant we just all jump onto Cricket supplies again, pak passion, cougar cricket blah blah
Who is the main flavour of the month on here at the moment? Have a think about it.... no matter what you say, market share will still be GN / GM / Kook / Slaz
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This forum is tiny indeed some people are fooled by this forum some like a certain missing member who many respect and think is a big fish is infact far from it and it is funny when you talk to people away from the forum about the forum and most are less than complimentary
The forum offers small "brands" a outlet a great marketing tool and sometimes the truth is a little off key.
I like the forum but it is such a tiny place and people need to remember this.
Flavoure of the month i guess were waiting for one but i tend not to buy my stuff of here
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Because 90% of the cricketing public dont know about smaller brands/this forum. I get laughed at by the telented juniors in my cub with the changing variety of bats I turn up with. They are seduced by brand atm but when they are spending their own monwy theyll see that these bat perform! Juniors are the key, tempt them that neiche is key and slavish following of brand is naff
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I would not buy a bat from anywhere but here tbh..yet to buy a pup
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You are right.... but why is CBF special, why is your opinion special? Why cant we just all jump onto Cricket supplies again, pak passion, cougar cricket blah blah
Who is the main flavour of the month on here at the moment? Have a think about it.... no matter what you say, market share will still be GN / GM / Kook / Slaz
We're not special, but we seem to have formed a community of a similar mindset, so we have decent banter on here. Based on personalities, this is a better forum for me than the ones you've listed.
GM/GN/Kook/Slaz may well always take the bulk of the market share, but then the bulk of the market want to walk into JJB on a saturday morning and pick something of the shelf, or see something in a catalogue and order from Cricket Supplies etc...
People on here have a different view, and I would say enjoy the perk of being able to speak to the guy who's actually making your bat.
This doesn't make us better than the 99% other cricket bat purchasers - just makes us different
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I would and have i have bought a few from here but do not beleive them to be any better than anywhere else.
The very nature of bats and the source of willow i suspect the real performace from bats from over half the places on the forum and off the forum is very similar and to be honest half the people do not know what a good bat is possible i'm one of
Most people on here do not use bats long enough to know if there any good and yes i can say that my old proivate bin still gets used on outings the rest are still just hobby bats
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the bottom line is when Im in form I can score runs with a plank borrowed from the kit bag, rarely has a bat changed a season however the odd innings a bat has made a huge difference at the time. If you could market the search for nivarna we have here for the 'perfect' bat and convince the general cricketing public that this is the norm then you are made for life
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Firstly my apologies of the strong wording on the original thread I've modified it
Here are my answers as I would have written them!
What do you think the % of sales are from CBF?
Tom was right is fairly big to start with but not as big as people think...!
What do you know about bats other then saying ping?
I know what I like and I know what I'm happy with and that is what is important to me as the bat owner. It more about the mindset of the batsman then anything else
Why should anyone care what you state about a piece of equipment? Why is your opinion any good?
Because if I didn't offer an opinion on a piece of equipment it wouldn't be much of a forum. I've own 'x' amount of kit, I trawl cricket shops when I can and admire equipment on the web. In fact I think I am a bit of geek
What you guys do do is highlight the small brands you do this in trends, hence my flavour of the month thing, but that is one thing you guys do well for bats. As for softs you stick in general to the big brands
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Firstly my apologies of the strong wording on the original thread I've modified it
Here are my answers as I would have written them!
What do you think the % of sales are from CBF?
Tom was right is fairly big to start with but not as big as people think...!
What do you know about bats other then saying ping?
I know what I like and I know what I'm happy with and that is what is important to me as the bat owner. It more about the mindset of the batsman then anything else
Why should anyone care what you state about a piece of equipment? Why is your opinion any good?
Because if I didn't offer an opinion on a piece of equipment it wouldn't be much of a forum. I've own 'x' amount of kit, I trawl cricket shops when I can and admire equipment on the web. In fact I think I am a bit of geek
What you guys do do is highlight the small brands you do this in trends, hence my flavour of the month thing, but that is one thing you guys do well for bats. As for softs you stick in general to the big brands
RE softs, I think it's probably the case that people see a bat as something that might benifit from the extra care, attention and personalised service you expect to get from a smaller company, whereas with softs being from (on the whole anyway) manmade products that that sort of a service isn't really on offer?
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RE softs, I think it's probably the case that people see a bat as something that might benifit from the extra care, attention and personalised service you expect to get from a smaller company, whereas with softs being from (on the whole anyway) manmade products that that sort of a service isn't really on offer?
I was going to comment on that point as well...
I have actually tried the Aero gloves, and sadly the OSM ones were too small, but that is an interesting attempt to really do something different. The reality is that whether softs come from Instinct or GM, they don't protect vastly differently at the same price, and generally you are buying on different appearance rather than anything else.
On the bats side, I'd hazard that the main difference between a number of the brands on here and the big boys is that you can get a bat made to your specifications at a price that you are comfortable with as opposed to getting an off the shelf product that you have to go through a few in a shop to get what you want. The confidence thing.
Ultimately though, I've seen someone borrow one of my custom bats and fail to find the middle for 6 overs, give up and swap to a different bat saying mine was s**t, and then I used it to score runs. I think that's the point of a custom bats...
Having said that, I should answer the questions:
What do you think the % of sales are from CBF?
Honestly, it's a small place and for any brand with AOC coverage if it reached 5% I'd be surprised... I'd expect, aside from one that's really new, to not account for more than 1%.
What do you know about bats other then saying ping?
A bit, but I'm not a podshaver. It's something I'd like to do and I think I understand materials and engineering to have a very rough idea of what could and couldn't work. I've only gained that through discussions on here with batmakers though. I know how to use one to score runs, and I've used enough to know when one doesn't suit me...
Why should anyone care what you state about a piece of equipment? Why is your opinion any good?
I like to pontificate. Does it mean my opinion is any good? No, but it's just that, an opinion. So far, I've had other people use kit in the nets and they've agreed with me, so I think I'm not too bad. Ultimately though, like any review, it's an opinion so people can take it or leave it. I'm simply a bat geek who likes to share!
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Although bat makers probably know more about the process than their customers, if a customer is sure of what they want then surely the bat maker should follow the instructions, even if it is done under protest. If i asked for a bat to be replicated and the bat maker agreed to undertake the work, I would expect to receive a copy of the bat. Plain and simple. Not necessarily because the bat maker has made what he thinks to be the best fit for the player, but because that was what he was asked to and agreed to do.
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Although bat makers probably know more about the process than their customers, if a customer is sure of what they want then surely the bat maker should follow the instructions, even if it is done under protest. If i asked for a bat to be replicated and the bat maker agreed to undertake the work, I would expect to receive a copy of the bat. Plain and simple. Not necessarily because the bat maker has made what he thinks to be the best fit for the player, but because that was what he was asked to and agreed to do.
Which bat maker ?
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Any one; if a similar agreement is made.
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Fair comment.