Custom Bats Cricket Forum
General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: justnotcricket86 on October 20, 2011, 08:50:03 AM
-
Is he dead?
Because I still can't work out why Cook/Flower have kept the same team again after 2 hammerings in India. Bell is one of the most in form players in world cricket at the moment, a great player of spin (an area we are struggling in) and bloody brilliant in ODIs
Can someone explain why they are sticking with KP? I'm lost
-
We should be building the one day batting around Cook/Trott/Bell in my opinion....
-
To be blunt because he isn't "bloody brilliant" in ODI's. KP has more odi hundreds than the whole of the rest of the squad put together. Bell's ODI stats are comparitively rubbish. But I would pick him too.
As I said elsewhere, in my view it is Kieswetter who should make way - KP should open with Cook, Bell at 3, Trott at 4 and the rest below that. This obsession with a keeper opening is reached farcical levels.
-
OK - well maybe he's not bloody brilliant, but he is playing well at the moment and has been scoring runs.
Maybe it's just that I don't like KP anymore!
Sorry coach ;)
-
p.s. I also think that Ian Bell is Bloody Brilliant...
p.p.s. "Trescothick [on sky] is talking an enormous amount of sense about how to bat in ODI cricket, in comparison to some of the wishy-washy stuff the current batsmen come out with. "You've just got to look to score off of every ball, and then hit the boundaries only when you feel it is a low risk shot.""
-
I love Tresco - such a shame he went the way he did. Somerset may have stood a slightly better chance in the CL if he went to India.
I just don't understand how you can leave Bell out, I really don't
-
I concur, Bell is the best player of spin it the squad and would be ideal for us to score freely in the middle overs.
I know it's a little early in his career for this, but what's your opinion in Buttler keeping for the last 2 games. From what I've seen he's not the worst behind the stumps and we are crying out for a 'finisher'. With Collingwood retired and Morgan injured I can't see who in the current XI plays that role
-
I would also like to know why Prior doesn't even get a sniff in ODI etc?? He's class and probably the best keeper/bat in the world at the moment. Solid behind the stumps and can give it a thump.
-
It can be bemusing how the selectors go about building a one day squad, the shorter form of the game is how prior was initially thrust into the England squad. I'm amazed that Davies hasn't been given a prolonged run in the team, a genuine opener and great numbers in the best one day team in the country.
-
I would also like to know why Prior doesn't even get a sniff in ODI etc?? He's class and probably the best keeper/bat in the world at the moment. Solid behind the stumps and can give it a thump.
Another inexplicable thing. I think he should be playing too, but his record says not. Having said that he should bat about 5 or 6 in the order in ODI stuff not the top three and there are a large number of players looking at that role.
-
He did have a good season with Surrey didnt he...strike rate was pretty good during the games I was able to watch on Sky
Give me Prior over Bopara any day.
-
He did have a good season with Surrey didnt he...strike rate was pretty good during the games I was able to watch on Sky
Give me Prior over Bopara any day.
Spot on. I think having Keiswetter, Bopara and Pietersen in the same top 6 there are too many unknowns- all are hit and miss, Bell should be in for one of them, for reliability and quality, and Prior in for Bopara.
-
IMO Bell is the best player in the country
It's taken a few years to fulfill his potential bet he's getting there.It defies belief he cant get in our one day side
one thing england could do is drop keiswetter for bairstow and bell slots in opening the batting
with 2 new balls now it suits his strokeplay.
you have to pick your best players whatever format.
I have a feeling KP might retire from one day cricket at the end of this tour thou to preserve his test matches,similar to Straussy....
-
KP wont retire as it wil hit his back pocket - his ECB Contract will go down to an incrimental one - so that will hurt him by about £100K per year.
FYI we had only 15 scoring shots in the first 10 overs. Aren't batsmen taught about rotating the strike and looking for two's any more? or is it all about smashing every ball for 4 or 6?
what was Tresco saying in the Sky commentary earlier... this batting thing, it isn't rocket science.
-
KP wont retire as it wil hit his back pocket - his ECB Contract will go down to an incrimental one - so that will hurt him by about £100K per year.
FYI we had only 15 scoring shots in the first 10 overs. Aren't batsmen taught about rotating the strike and looking for two's any more? or is it all about smashing every ball for 4 or 6?
what was Tresco saying in the Sky commentary earlier... this batting thing, it isn't rocket science.
Couldn't agree more. That's a terrible stat.
-
i don't know why everyone is saying get red of Pietersen and Kieswetter those two along with Trott, Cook and Bell have been the best players we've had for a good 3 years, i am going to raise the point of why Bopara is in the team yes he offers another bowling option but we are in India where spin is a big option in the game, why not let Pietersen have a bowl? Bopara hasn't scored good runs since the runs he scored against west indies, not the most rated player in my book.
-
Why is Patel getting abuse off the Indians?
-
he is the only england player less fit than them maybe?
-
LOL at the above.
I would bring bell in for Keiswetter and give Bairstow the gloves!
Could always bring Monty out as a spin option, doesnt help the batting/fielding though........
-
Could always bring Monty out as a spin option, doesnt help the batting/fielding though........
1. I wouldn't give Jonny the gloves yet - he's a passable keeper, but nowhere near international standard.
2. Spin - why on earth do they not go for Rashid? One of the top five fielders in England, a genuine batsman with excellent temprament and a decent leg spinner!
-
as for the abuse by the Indians of Patel
I was at the Oval in Sept for the one dayer and the stick patel and bopara got was off the scale.Samit was only 12th man for that game too if i recall correct!!!
I was with 2 Indian fans that day too.....
-
What sort of things do they shout at them? Is it just Samits fitness?
Tell me if this is stupid, when P Kumae is bowling and following the batsmen to the leg side, would it not be worth feinting a step past leg stump then moving bat to try force him to bowl wides?
When writing it sounds like it could be a bit much but when watching TV it seems so simple :D
-
It's the players that are giving Patel stick. Raina in the last match, today they didn't show it but bumble said he was getting a lot of stick from the indian players again when he came out.
-
Er,no... there was the occational fat b******* comment but mainly it was traitor and that sort of stuff.
I've never heard abuse like it myself,some of it was good natured but other stuff was def not.
I suppose they think he should be playing for India,not England.
Both Bopara and Patel were born in this country so far as i'm concerned i'm delighted they are playing for England.
If you look at the South Africans we have,it's much better England have Bristish born Asians playing for us.
It's about time too,we are a multi-cultural society and our team should reflect that.
On a lighter note,my Indian mates who were at the game with me said the Indian team referred to last summers series as 'us v South africa b' which i found quite funny!
-
I would drop Cook for Bell - his record is very ordinary and (although its early stages) his captaincy doesnt look great to me. I think Bell would be great at the top of the order....
-
looks like Samit has had a good knock
70 off 43 balls just what England needed.No wonder they persevered with him
Might not be enough thou!
trott stranded 98 no.
-
Traitor! I love it, if the ECB came out and said that they would not pick Samit because he has Asian Heritage they would all outcry racism! But because we pick him he's a traitor. Guess they want it both ways.
-
It's amazing how good a player can become when he's not in the side!
-
looks like Samit has had a good knock
70 off 43 balls just what England needed.No wonder they persevered with him
Might not be enough thou!
trott stranded 98 no.
Trott wasnt stranded on 98*, he played his own game at his own pace. Run rate dropped quite badly when trott and bopara batted together. Patel played superb, 4th quickest 50 against India and I think that's his highest England score.
Hopefully I'm wrong but I think we could be 20-30 runs light.
-
i think in one-dayers it's difficult to get the right balance between not losing wickets and pushing the scoring rate along.
Trott is a very good player but does not have the expansive game like KP or Trescothick years ago.
If England win it will have been a good knock,if we are short perhaps questions will be asked.
Personally i'd rather have his 98 today and close to 300,at least we have put up a score in this match.
I think we have just got enough runs...we shall see!
-
This in my eyes is classic england fan. We lose two games and we all start saying how we should completely change the line-up, give them a chance. This series was always going to massively tough, give the people in possession of the places a real go.
-
I think its a disgrace calling Patel a traitor. As a British born Indian I respect that a fellow Indian has been given the opportunity to represent his place of birth regardless of race.
I dont think the inclusion of 2 spinners will bother the Indian batting the slightest. Swann, the best spinner in the world, has proved inaffective, so another spinner will just be milked for runs too. England need to have a plan for their batting.
-
I think Bell has undergone the biggest improvement in the current era.
For about 5 years he was a jittery, open stanced hack, particularly hopeless out here in Australia...... But now he is in great touch. Totally improved player than in years past!
I still wouldn't have Cook in the ODI side at all. His game is simple and effective in test cricket, the last thing you want is for him to redevelop his little lean over his pad or half-step drive to the slips that we used to see.
-
1. I wouldn't give Jonny the gloves yet - he's a passable keeper, but nowhere near international standard.
2. Spin - why on earth do they not go for Rashid? One of the top five fielders in England, a genuine batsman with excellent temprament and a decent leg spinner!
Totally agree with your first point but as much as I'd like to see Rashid playing (I'm a fellow leggie myself!) he hasn't had a good year at all, with either bat or ball.