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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Gunn & Moore => Topic started by: Canners on October 22, 2011, 02:57:37 AM
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Im really not buying into this Gm players thing.... over the last few days ive seen the likes of Ravi Bopara use an absolute monster of a halo that looked nothing like a Halo and Patel using a friggin huge Flare...
i think for £500 you should expect a bat as big and similar to those guys..... (although the players bats maybe overdried and decrease the life of the bat) so in that respect youd be pretty p'd off if you took the plunge and it broke pretty soon
it does make you question whether theyre actually using GM's????
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I think in principle Its a 'nice' idea, but hasn't been executed well. Why would I want to pay 500 for a players bat that is 5 oz's too heavy for me, is 5oz's heavier than the player uses just so I can get a bat in the same dimensions. Also, paying 500 for a bat where no weight will be specified makes very little sense.
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Here is Ravi's Halo;
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/138200/138221.jpg)
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/138000/138091.jpg)
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/137800/137809.jpg)
Looks no where like a Halo, above bat has concaving whereas Halo doesn't.
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Patels Flare
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/138200/138227.jpg)
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Trotts Icon
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/138200/138222.jpg)
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/138000/138089.jpg)
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/138000/138027.jpg)
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/137800/137806.jpg)
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/136900/136999.jpg)
And Trotts Players Edition bat [on right]
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/319683_10150885834815584_391552200583_21363715_475933336_n.jpg)
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How have you got a pic of Trotts bat?
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Also another geekish point. Bopara always uses 1 grip on his bats but you can see 2 on the bats above, which makes you think is it an Indian bat stickered up as Indian bats sometimes have thin handles....
This is just my view tho lol
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How have you got a pic of Trotts bat?
Cricket storeonline got some of the gear for the 2012 season to review, which included the Smith and Trott players bat. Trott's was 2'11 and Smith's was 2'13.
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Slightly off topic but what are the pads that Ravi is wearing?
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GM RSB Original
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there is a big old rip in trott's left pad!
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Is it just me or does Ravi's bat look huge compared to Trott's?
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Is it just me or does Ravi's bat look huge compared to Trott's?
Yeah it does doesnt it?
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And Smiths Luna :o
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/138000/138079.jpg)
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Is it just me or does Ravi's bat look huge compared to Trott's?
It looks like all edge and no profile to me. Still massive though.
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What is David Hussey doing in the background? He looks rather chuffed.
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And Smiths Luna :o
([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/138000/138079.jpg[/url])
That's an Epic.
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Hence the " :o"
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Apols, I tend to ignore smileys.
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Im really not buying into this Gm players thing....
Well don't then! :o
Kind regards
Edward
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Why would I want to pay 500 for a players bat that is 5 oz's too heavy for me
Perhaps you wouldn't! :o
Kind regards
Edward
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I'm interested to know how many Players' Bats you will be making compared to the Original LE level? My suspicion is that they won't be that large a percentage of the overall shipped volumes (and to be fair I'd also love to know which of your levels, 101-Original LE, sells the most).
Do you consider them as being alongside the Laver Signature and the Newbery Cenkos in terms of brand postion?
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I'm very interested in seeing theses lined up against the rest of their range and see how different they actually are
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I'm very interested in seeing theses lined up against the rest of their range and see how different they actually are
Have a look here :
EDIT - have removed link as I think I will be in big trouble again. V sorry!
I think all the Players Editions bats are reviewed there
Kind regards
Edward
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I'm interested to know how many Players' Bats you will be making compared to the Original LE level? My suspicion is that they won't be that large a percentage of the overall shipped volumes (and to be fair I'd also love to know which of your levels, 101-Original LE, sells the most).
Do you consider them as being alongside the Laver Signature and the Newbery Cenkos in terms of brand postion?
Very good question. Technical answer - "I don't know!" As at today, R/3 tells me we have sold 101.
Not familiar with the bats you mention I'm afraid, we just tend to think GM.
Kind regards
Edward
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Very good question. Technical answer - "I don't know!" As at today, R/3 tells me we have sold 101.
Not familiar with the bats you mention I'm afraid, we just tend to think GM.
Kind regards
Edward
Thanks Edward. How many bats do you sell a year? This will give people an idea of how large/small a part of the business it actually is!
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Have a look here :
[url]http://youtu.be/x_-8ynGM8yk[/url]
I think all the Players Editions bats are reviewed there
Kind regards
Edward
I'll have a look when I get back from work
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Thanks Edward. How many bats do you sell a year? This will give people an idea of how large/small a part of the business it actually is!
More than that :D
We have no particular volume expectation of Players Edition bats, we have released them to the market (a) because we can & (b) because someone might, on a good day, want to buy one. (Well not Canners or Peplow by the sounds of things).
We launched them to the trade on September 8th.
Kind regards
Edward
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Have a look here :
[url]http://youtu.be/x_-8ynGM8yk[/url]
I think all the Players Editions bats are reviewed there
Kind regards
Edward
He's plugged cricket insight as well aha ;)
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Thanks Edward. How many bats do you sell a year? This will give people an idea of how large/small a part of the business it actually is!
Think about the amount of people have got themselves a bargain GM in the sales.... They must sell loads a year ;)
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More than that :D
We have no particular volume expectation of Players Edition bats, we have released them to the market (a) because we can & (b) because someone might, on a good day, want to buy one. (Well not Canners or Peplow by the sounds of things).
We launched them to the trade on September 8th.
Kind regards
Edward
SO would you say they are mainly made to order?
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Edward, any chance of GM making a bit thicker handles or you guys will be sticking to what you have right now?
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He's plugged cricket insight as well aha ;)
Oh cripes, should I not have done that?
Admin, admin, I'm ready for you, not the big whip this time please
:-[
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SO would you say they are mainly made to order?
Technically they are made for stock, not MTO. We can do this because of the DXM process which ensures consistency of production.
Kind regards
Edward
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Edward, any chance of GM making a bit thicker handles or you guys will be sticking to what you have right now?
No specific plans - what are the pros & cons in your view?
Good question.
Kind regards
Edward
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Technically they are made for stock, not MTO. We can do this because of the DXM process which ensures consistency of production.
Kind regards
Edward
So if they are made for stock, there must be a predicted sales target? Or would these go to the relavtive players if they are not sold?
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No specific plans - what are the pros & cons in your view?
Good question.
Kind regards
Edward
Personally I prefer smaller handles, and width can be added onto a handle through grips - a lot more effort goes into decreasing width.
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I'm intrigued by the argument that there is very little difference between an Original L.E. and a GM Players bat.
What would you say the differences, if there are any, between the two are?
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No specific plans - what are the pros & cons in your view?
Good question.
Kind regards
Edward
I personally feel the handles are a bit on thinner side, especially the middle of the handle looks quite thin compared to top and bottom.
Also would it be possible for GM to state weight of pro bats?
I might have a punt at Watsons Flare as I heard it is around 2.9ish, is that true?
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So if they are made for stock, there must be a predicted sales target? Or would these go to the relavtive players if they are not sold?
Yes there is a forecast, but I don't have it to hand. We tend to make bats in batches and, like all manufacturers, seek to match supply with demand
Kind regards
Edward
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I'm intrigued by the argument that there is very little difference between an Original L.E. and a GM Players bat.
What would you say the differences, if there are any, between the two are?
What argument is that exactly?
Kind regards
Edward
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Looking at that vid, Smith's Luna looks absolutely hench!!! Big fan of that profile. Has he decided that he wants to go Epic now though and does that mean that the bat is surplus to requirements?
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GM Players v Laver Signature v Newb Cenkos......
Just how mouth watering would that review be!! :D
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That would be up there with str8bats review of bats
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Looking at that vid, Smith's Luna looks absolutely hench!!! Big fan of that profile. Has he decided that he wants to go Epic now though and does that mean that the bat is surplus to requirements?
If Smith doesn't need his own Luna anymore I'll happily take it off his hands - and I won't even charge ;)
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GM Players v Laver Signature v Newb Cenkos......
Just how mouth watering would that review be!! :D
v GN Legend :)
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Not familiar with the bats you mention I'm afraid, we just tend to think GM.
The most successful businesses keep a close eye on their competitors to make sure they don't get left behind. Techniques such as Porter's '5 forces' model should help gauge any threats or opportunities that lie within your industry, which should be a part of any organisations strategic analysis...
Or maybe the cricket bat industry is the exception?
If you fancy hiring anyone in a business intelligence/analysis type role I'll send you my CV! (especially as I may be out of work soon:( )
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Well once again, thanks to one and all for an interesting discussion about our Player Edition bats.
There seem to be some misconceptions about these devilishly smart products which hopefully I can shed some light on.
When we start working with a player, there is a two way dialogue between us about what the player would like in terms of bat design and what is possible in terms of technical production. With the advent of CAD/CAM as part of GM’s DXM process, in truth, if it can be drawn, we can make it.
The starting point for this dialogue is generally (a) the bat shapes we are marketing or have marketed & (b) of course, what the player is using. The bat that a player ends up with is usually somewhere between the two. Very often a player joining GM will take the opportunity of trying a different shape or tweaking what they are used to, but however long the journey is, and however many iterations we go through together, the end result is always the same – a GM DXM bat that the player favours.
Some players use our stock shapes, some don’t. For them wot don’t, the vexed question of what stickers should be used on the bat is the next discussion. There are various considerations – (a) what resemblance the Player’s bat has to a stock shape (b) shamelessly, what model we wish to promote in which territory & (c) a player preference.
Thus, a Players bat takes on the persona of a GM model.
When we work with a player, we will do whatever we can to ensure that their bat is precisely to their desire. Our role is to support the player’s performance on pitch. Our role is not to force a player to use a specific rigid design, “because it suits GM”. We view player satisfaction and success as paramount to a good relationship because of course Player Success = GM Success. This is a hard-nosed business view.
It will come as no surprise to any reader of this post that most players, affiliated to whatever brand, use Shape A (Player’s Edition) with Brand Model Labels B. The alternatives to this would be for (a) players bats to carry no model designation (not helpful or informative to the public or the trade) or (b) the brand forcing a player to only use a stock shape or (c) something more cunning that we may just have up our forearm guard.
Which brings us to September 8th and the launch of GM Player Edition bats. These bats are precise replicas of what the players use. So yes, Canners, Ravi & Samit have their own shapes. No real surprise there. Were we to introduce Player Editions of their bats, they would be precisely to their favoured designs. We just haven’t introduced such models as yet, so forgive me but I find your post unfathomable.
As to weight Peplow, a couple of comments. Controversially perhaps, my view is that weight is allowed to become far too large a part of the selection process of a bat. My observation is that the greater the talent, the less specific the player is about weight. Pick up and feel are much more important.
We don’t sell any of our bats by weight, it isn’t practical on the scale of our business to do so. We have, for many years, focussed on Pick Up Index. Player Edition bats are guaranteed to be made from the finest timber we can get – but that timber is very much a limited resource and, as much as we love each and every one of our customers, we love our players just a little bit more. So, we will not make a promise we won’t keep. We guarantee that the dimensions of a Player Edition will be to the player’s design – that fixes the volume of timber, the weight will come from that volume times the average density of the willow.
Bottom line, I don’t think any discerning player will be disappointed with a Player Edition bat.
Why, Peplow, would you want a bat of the same dimensions as a player? You may not, in which case, why ask the question? However, other folk do, so that’s why we are making them available.
Wazza, there is no argument as to the similarities between an LE bat and a Players Edition. That is a comparison of chalk and cheese, they are entirely different by virtue of their design as outlined above. The similarity is the excellence and relevance of the materials used and the cutting edge technology and craftsmanship which is integral to any GM DXM bat from Players Edition to 303.
Hope this helps folks, thanks for joining the debate
Kind regards
Edward
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The most successful businesses keep a close eye on their competitors to make sure they don't get left behind. Techniques such as Porter's '5 forces' model should help gauge any threats or opportunities that lie within your industry, which should be a part of any organisations strategic analysis...
Or maybe the cricket bat industry is the exception?
If you fancy hiring anyone in a business intelligence/analysis type role I'll send you my CV! (especially as I may be out of work soon:( )
Oooo errr Missus! You've lost me there.
I tend to see too many businesses where they so preoccupied by the activities of other firms in their industry that they forget about their own customers and their own essential innovation.
No good just copying Charlie down the road, better to set out your own stall.
Kind regards
Edward
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This may be a little bit off topic, but as it's hot I might find out what I've been thinking.
The DXM+ is basically the same shape as the normal bat, but just bigger/heavier?
How does this work in the CAD process? For instance, is the same cut of the bat made in different clefts and depending on how dense they are they will be DMX+ or not? Or are they 2 set designs? Allowing the + to be the bigger of the two? Or do you purposely pick heavier clefts for this process etc?
I'm not sure if i've explained my question that well(?)
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I guess a balance is best.
Thanks for the comprehensive reply Edward.
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Mike Hussey is one of the best batsmen going around, and he has to have his bats weighing in at 2'8.5 -
http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/husseys-cricket-bat/x25iz02
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Mike Hussey is one of the best batsmen going around, and he has to have his bats weighing in at 2'8.5 -
[url]http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/husseys-cricket-bat/x25iz02[/url]
So he couldn't play with 2lbs 9oz?
Edward
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So he couldn't play with 2lbs 9oz?
Edward
Probably - but he chooses not to and a huge number of professional players are of the same opinion......
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So he couldn't play with 2lbs 9oz?
Edward
Yes he could.
I see that with the weights you meant small differences, like 0.5-1ozs, as I would think that weight does play a part in how the bat pick's up and feels.
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Yes he could.
I see that with the weights you meant small differences, like 0.5-1ozs, as I would think that weight does play a part in how the bat pick's up and feels.
Of course dead weight is a factor, but more relevant to pick up is the distribution of that weight.
Kind regards
Edward
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A bit off topic but I know I have seen several posts by him before and I've got to say I'm impressed that Edward (and to be fair any number of other bat makers and individuals) takes the time to come on here and give detailed responses like the one in this thread.
When I was a kid I dismissed GM kit as being a bit poncey along with hunts, I think that was all based on the people at my club who used their kit. Having bought a GM bag and now the gloves that we're on offer at sports direct I'm impressed by the GM gear and I'd consider a bat in future.
Back on topic I don't really see the appeal of the players editions bats especially given the cost. I reckon I'd rather have a go with a halo instead as they look great rather than have a copy of a players bat.
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Edward
Thanks for giving us your time and feedback on this thread...
I'm sure the players bats will all sell....
this forum is above all a place for discussing bats and this is all I was doing :)
I still aren't sure if you've answered whether the quality of clefts I.e lightness and looks are of a higher quality in the players bats than the le clefts?
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I have a players Flare + Luna (sample). Ill post pictures.
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Thanks,
What weight is your flare players?
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Ill weigh it exactly when i get the chance but in the 2.10s
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Edward
Thanks for giving us your time and feedback on this thread...
I'm sure the players bats will all sell....
this forum is above all a place for discussing bats and this is all I was doing :)
I still aren't sure if you've answered whether the quality of clefts I.e lightness and looks are of a higher quality in the players bats than the le clefts?
Quite right Canners, if you can't ask a question or make a point on a public Forum, where can you?
As we say on our website, Player Editions are made from LE timber.
Being a private business we do have the luxury of trying things in the marketplace. Player Editions are a good example of this - we did not sit down and set sales targets and other projections for these items, we want to see if there is a market demand for such things. We are in the best possible position to produce Players bats because of the whole DXM process and are delighted if they meet the needs of some cricketers. We do not set out to be all things to all men (er people!), we set out to be GM.
Kind regards
Edward
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Edward, thanks for answering all the q's.
I had most queried the weight thing for buying online specifically, where it is impossible to get a feel for the bat through the screen! and therefore you may be left with something far too heavy or unsuitable for your needs, granted the better the player the more scope they'd have to play with any weight of bat, but i am only a little lad so if a 2lb 13 bat turns up i'd be a little screwed, unless it picked up like a 2lb 9!
But the bottom line as you say is that if you are buying one i am sure you wont be disappointed, as thats the reason they've bought one! and it doesnt matter if others contest the idea as they wont be buying one!
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Edward, thanks for answering all the q's.
I had most queried the weight thing for buying online specifically, where it is impossible to get a feel for the bat through the screen! and therefore you may be left with something far too heavy or unsuitable for your needs, granted the better the player the more scope they'd have to play with any weight of bat, but i am only a little lad so if a 2lb 13 bat turns up i'd be a little screwed, unless it picked up like a 2lb 9!
But the bottom line as you say is that if you are buying one i am sure you wont be disappointed, as thats the reason they've bought one! and it doesnt matter if others contest the idea as they wont be buying one!
No problem Sam, hope all good with you
Kind regards
Edward
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This may be a little bit off topic, but as it's hot I might find out what I've been thinking.
The DXM+ is basically the same shape as the normal bat, but just bigger/heavier?
How does this work in the CAD process? For instance, is the same cut of the bat made in different clefts and depending on how dense they are they will be DMX+ or not? Or are they 2 set designs? Allowing the + to be the bigger of the two? Or do you purposely pick heavier clefts for this process etc?
I'm not sure if i've explained my question that well(?)
I have only just picked up on this post - and am reading with great interest...
Mattw - in answers to your question;
The GM+ bats are bigger (greater volume) and for that reason will also be heavier for a given density of wood. The Icon GM+ for example will have the same profile as the Icon but will be 3 to 5 mm bigger and therefore are separate designs. As Edward has stated in this thread the DXM process allows this replication of profile.
I hope this answers your question,
Kind regards,
David
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I have only just picked up on this post - and am reading with great interest...
Mattw - in anwers to your question;
The GM+ bats are bigger (greater volume) and for that reason will also be heavier for a given density of wood. The Icon GM+ for example will have the same profile as the Icon but will be 3 to 5 mm bigger and therefore are separate designs. As Edward has stated in this thread the DXM process allows this replication of profile.
I hope this answers your question,
Kind regards,
David
Thanks for your response, it clears it up slightly - however how do you choose which bats will be used for the DXM+ process? and when going through the process, do you set the design to for instance, make the edges a certain size? or is the DXM+ always the same size? So what I'm getting at is, are all DXM+'s the same size in cm/mm(s) and then depending on the wood density etc they will be different weights? Or do you set the DXM+ to produce a bat at a certain size, making them different weights because they are bigger/smaller in size?
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Thanks for your response, it clears it up slightly - however how do you choose which bats will be used for the DXM+ process? and when going through the process, do you set the design to for instance, make the edges a certain size? or is the DXM+ always the same size? So what I'm getting at is, are all DXM+'s the same size in cm/mm(s) and then depending on the wood density etc they will be different weights? Or do you set the DXM+ to produce a bat at a certain size, making them different weights because they are bigger/smaller in size?
Do you really need to know all that? Are you looking to produce some GM + bats of your own ;)
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Do you really need to know all that? Are you looking to produce some GM + bats of your own ;)
I'm just interested...?
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Fair do's
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Do you really need to know all that? Are you looking to produce some GM + bats of your own ;)
alternatively he is trying to find out if he goes through enough DXM+ bats he will find a low density cleft... i.e. are the bats all made to a certain size or a certain wieght. I suspect it is size and there is the possibility you could get lucky.
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alternatively he is trying to find out if he goes through enough DXM+ bats he will find a low density cleft... i.e. are the bats all made to a certain size or a certain wieght. I suspect it is size and there is the possibility you could get lucky.
The bats are made to a size.
Plus bats are designed from the ground up as separate entities to regular bats.
Kind regards
Edward
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The bats are made to a size.
Plus bats are designed from the ground up as separate entities to regular bats.
Kind regards
Edward
Apologies for continuing the grilling, and I'm sure everyone appreciates you guys taking the time to answer, but I'm not sure if I've grasped this right, all the say, Icon DXM+ bats are cut from the same CAD programme, meaning any variation in the weights is purely down to the density of the willow used for that particular cleft?
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Have to say I used a Icon 808+ which weighed 2.14 and felt like a 2.11 when playing with it. I know this is a common phrase on the forum but it felt so well made, and well balanced that even Sam wouldn't have struggled! ;)
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Apologies for continuing the grilling, and I'm sure everyone appreciates you guys taking the time to answer, but I'm not sure if I've grasped this right, all the say, Icon DXM+ bats are cut from the same CAD programme, meaning any variation in the weights is purely down to the density of the willow used for that particular cleft?
That was the way that I understood it. All bats are made to a size, or volume if you like, rather than a weight, so it's the willow that drives the weight and all Flares, say will be made to the same size?
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That was the way that I understood it. All bats are made to a size, or volume if you like, rather than a weight, so it's the willow that drives the weight and all Flares, say will be made to the same size?
But the pluses are made from a DXM programme which is bigger than the normal profile.
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That was the way that I understood it. All bats are made to a size, or volume if you like, rather than a weight, so it's the willow that drives the weight and all Flares, say will be made to the same size?
Saves us all hunting round for a huge low density GM in our weight then I guess. If that is the case then it sounds like all the skinny lads with the matchstick bats ought to be using GM's.
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But the pluses are made from a DXM programme which is bigger than the normal profile.
Well, yes, but essentially there are 13 CAM paths:
Flare; Halo; Epic; Luna; Icon; 1885; Apex
Each available in DXM, with the Icon and Flare having a GM+ and the Flare, Luna and Iconx2 having a Players edition.
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Apologies for continuing the grilling, and I'm sure everyone appreciates you guys taking the time to answer, but I'm not sure if I've grasped this right, all the say, Icon DXM+ bats are cut from the same CAD programme, meaning any variation in the weights is purely down to the density of the willow used for that particular cleft?
In best Groucho Marx voice "I'll take the grilling if you'll take a Whopper"
But seriously - there is a single CAD file for each Mens shape. So all Mens bats of a specific shape come from the same CAD file and will be the same size. Using parametric replication, smaller sizes of a specific model are precise copies of their "seniors". An Icon has a different design to an Icon + and so uses a different file.
Mind you, Dr Streaky is the Official Spokesman on such matters, what do I know?!
Kind regards
Edward
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I think that was what I was saying lol. Same profile, different programme, so different bat.
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Very interesting, have to admit I've never thought how that might work before.
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Isn't there a couple of videos on how the GM process works? Would be good to go back over these if they are available to view.
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You can find them on the cricket supplies website I believe.
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Do you ever end up with factory 2nds? Say if a big knot is revealed after the Cnc has cut the shape? What happens to these? Do they just get graded as lower end bats?
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so a Halo L.E in 2.9 will be exactly the same size as a Halo 808 in 2.9, is that correct?
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no, a halo.2.9 would be the same as a halo 2.10 or 2.8 and different to an epic or an icon
keep up canners!
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Buzz are you sure?
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so a Halo L.E in 2.9 will be exactly the same size as a Halo 808 in 2.9, is that correct?
ANY Halo (no matter what the weight or the willow grade) will be exactly the same shape and size, as GM use one CAM program for each model of bat (Halo, Luna etc) and each program is applied to the willow cleft, whether it be a Grade 3 piece or a LE bit of wood. So a 2lb 11oz Halo would be exactly the same shape (exactly) as a 2lb 9oz Halo. It's just willow density that affects the weight.
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That was my understanding of it..... Thanks Joe
keep up BUZZ ;)
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It's the willow density that gives different weights for the same shape bat.
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so a Halo L.E in 2.9 will be exactly the same size as a Halo 808 in 2.9, is that correct?
Canners, stay behind for extra homework!
:o
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ANY Halo (no matter what the weight or the willow grade) will be exactly the same shape and size, as GM use one CAM program for each model of bat (Halo, Luna etc) and each program is applied to the willow cleft, whether it be a Grade 3 piece or a LE bit of wood. So a 2lb 11oz Halo would be exactly the same shape (exactly) as a 2lb 9oz Halo. It's just willow density that affects the weight.
Ah JoeHig - or can I call you Victor Ludorum?
:D
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ANY Halo (no matter what the weight or the willow grade) will be exactly the same shape and size, as GM use one CAM program for each model of bat (Halo, Luna etc) and each program is applied to the willow cleft, whether it be a Grade 3 piece or a LE bit of wood. So a 2lb 11oz Halo would be exactly the same shape (exactly) as a 2lb 9oz Halo. It's just willow density that affects the weight.
There we go, that's what I was basically asking.
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ANY Halo (no matter what the weight or the willow grade) will be exactly the same shape and size, as GM use one CAM program for each model of bat (Halo, Luna etc) and each program is applied to the willow cleft, whether it be a Grade 3 piece or a LE bit of wood. So a 2lb 11oz Halo would be exactly the same shape (exactly) as a 2lb 9oz Halo. It's just willow density that affects the weight.
It all seems so simple now!
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So you would assume the higher model you go the better balanced/weighted it feels + better looks/performance? Even though they are the same size and so on.
So if you had a 2.10 404 and a 2.10 Original - you would assume that the Original would pick up a lot better than the 404 even though they are actually the same size and so on?
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So you would assume the higher model you go the better balanced/weighted it feels + better looks/performance? Even though they are the same size and so on.
So if you had a 2.10 404 and a 2.10 Original - you would assume that the Original would pick up a lot better than the 404 even though they are actually the same size and so on?
Well in theory no. If two bats are the same shape and the same weight, they would supposedly pick up exactly the same. The higher model you go, the better looks and performance but if it weighs the same as a lower model and with identical shape and size they would pick up the same.
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In theory, GM bats would be the best to buy online as there would be little or no difference in feel compared to a team mates etc.
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but only if you can state weight :)
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In theory, GM bats would be the best to buy online as there would be little or no difference in feel compared to a team mates etc.
That's the advantage of a machine made bat
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That's the advantage of a machine made bat
Or disadvantage...
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Not really I slightly disagree with you guys, it is not necessary that the pick up index would be same.
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They would be as long as the weights are the same.
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Not really I slightly disagree with you guys, it is not necessary that the pick up index would be same.
Why do you suggest that?
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Why do you suggest that?
Because not all GM bats have same pickup index.
For example, I have Icon Original LE which I think has pick up index of 2 and my friend also has Icon Original LE and that has pick up index of 1.
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Because not all GM bats have same pickup index.
For example, I have Icon Original LE which I think has pick up index of 2 and my friend also has Icon Original LE and that has pick up index of 1.
How is that specified on the bat?
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How is that specified on the bat?
When you buy GM bats they have a small tag which tells pick up index.
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In theory, GM bats would be the best to buy online as there would be little or no difference in feel compared to a team mates etc.
Even though two bats may have the same dead weight and profile the pick-up can certainly be different.... The density of the willow is not always uniform throughout the length of the original cleft. If a bat has a 'heavier' bit higher up the blade then it will, most likely, pick-up lighter than one with a 'heavier' bit lower down. Does that make sense?
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perfect sense
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Even though two bats may have the same dead weight and profile the pick-up can certainly be different.... The density of the willow is not always uniform throughout the length of the original cleft. If a bat has a 'heavier' bit higher up the blade then it will, most likely, pick-up lighter than one with a 'heavier' bit lower down. Does that make sense?
...... and we've not even started talking about the handle weight - and it's effect on pick up!!
Discuss....
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Ooohh Streaky you've put a spanner in the works now!
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I find Andy at SAF's cricket stuff explanation stuff rather helpful:
http://www.cricket-stuff.co.uk/
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After having had the privelidge of using one of Shane watsons bats I have to say it was a great bat weighed a bit but picked up feather light. If the Gm player edition bats are the same they will be superb bats but I don't think I could bring myself to pay five hundred for one
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...... and we've not even started talking about the handle weight - and it's effect on pick up!!
Discuss....
Or how the addition of different grips will also affect this...
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After having had the privelidge of using one of Shane watsons bats I have to say it was a great bat weighed a bit but picked up feather light. If the Gm player edition bats are the same they will be superb bats but I don't think I could bring myself to pay five hundred for one
Can you tell more about it? Weight? Swell position etc?
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Well the standard Flare was designed by Watson, so I'd imagine something like that.
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It was pretty much similar if not identical to the GM Flare + mid to high middle with a superb balance and pick up I would say. Though Willow did seem as if it was made out of rock and the sound when struck had a definite similarity to a clap of thunder. My friend still has it and I will see if I can get some photos of it next time I see him but it only had 7 or 8 eight grains if I remember correctly and they were not that straight it was definitely not a pretty bat but all the lads who picked up at that net session before they found out at the end of the net session it was one of Watson's bats really liked it.
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Ah okay sounds great.
Pictures would be awesome if you can provide them..
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Couple of the trott players bats in my local store today, 2.11 and 2.11 and a half. Didn't seem that special but definitely a different shape to the standard bats
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That's weird look at this https://romida.co.uk/cricket-bats/2012-gm-cricket-bats-jonathan-trott-players-edition-icon-cat-no-022269.html
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That description probably fits the standard shape which had plenty of concaving but the trott players had next to none
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Here they are, I got pictures from Mapperly Sports/CRicket Sales website;
(http://www.mapperleysports.co.uk/batpics/GM_Players_Bats_1.jpg)
(http://www.mapperleysports.co.uk/batpics/GM_Players_Bats_2.jpg)
(http://www.mapperleysports.co.uk/batpics/GM_Players_Bats_3.jpg)
(http://www.mapperleysports.co.uk/batpics/GM_Players_Bats_4.jpg)
http://www.cricketsales.co.uk/page.asp?id=GMPlayers
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Is the flare a shorter blade?? Or is it just camera trickery lol
They all look like lovely pieces of willow.
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Nope just standard size/
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They are much more different shapes to the normal bats than I thought, especially the Epic, it's shaped more like the Halo.
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Ross TAylors bat looks a bit Laverish.
Or thats only me?
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Maybe he used one before he was sponsored by GM and has just had them copy it?? Compared to trotts it looks to have a flat laver type face.
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Really really really really really really want Trott's
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Really really really really really really want Trott's
After watching this the feelings mutual :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUB3sJexDkw
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the flare looks massive!
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Will you be getting many scoops in nick?
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Went to my local shop today where I was pleased to see two JT Players edition bats, as nice as they are the nicest pick-up/feel GM in shop was by far a Halo 808. If only I had £165 there and then I would've bought it :'(
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Globe?
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Yep
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What's were they priced at in there mate?
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£400 I think. One is 2.11 and other is 2.11 1/2.
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Yea I didn't think those two jt players were that special, certainly not £400 special!
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More to dislike about it than like in my opinion.
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Have globe got much other 2012 gear in yet colesy?
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Yes, 2012 Kookaburra, Puma, GM, GN, Boom Boom, M&H, and some others but that's what I remember. Couple of GN100s which were very nice.
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Anyone know where I can get 2.9ish GM Shane Watson Players?
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
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Anyone know where I can get 2.9ish GM Shane Watson Players?
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
At B3 cricket ;)
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At B3 cricket ;)
Haha that would be bootlegged then :( ;)
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I'm sure he could do shape as he would have programmed it at gm
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I know he can do it, in fact, I know people who are getting it done.
But I prefer getting the 'real' thing. Prices won't be very off anyways...
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Good luck with that one Tusharshegul I have a mate who has 2.9 Watson Flare edition beautiful bat but hard to come by at 2.9 as GM don't quote specific weights just pick up index.
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Mind telling where he bought his from?
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Good luck with that one Tusharshegul I have a mate who has 2.9 Watson Flare edition beautiful bat but hard to come by at 2.9 as GM don't quote specific weights just pick up index.
At B3 you can specify weight/shape/profile so why can't it be done? especially if you are paying top money then everything is possible (Bespoke option)...
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I know he can do it, in fact, I know people who are getting it done.
But I prefer getting the 'real' thing. Prices won't be very off anyways...
Ah the watson shape where is yash
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Aren't Players Edition bats fairly heavy though? Having said that I'm sure a 2.10 would be just as good as 2.9 because of how well it picks up.
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As far as I know, majority of the JT and SW bats are around the 2lb10oz mark. The heaviest Players bat is the GS Epic @ around 2lb13oz.
The SW Players bat has a high middle so, pick-up will be better than on a similar weight JT.
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Ah the watson shape where is yash
Dave, I have something very similar to the SW profile coming - 2lb9oz with massive edges and clean grains. I have added my touch to it by having the spine profile extended by 20mm, so a longer middle