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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: Fetchthatone on November 28, 2011, 03:03:47 AM
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Hi there,
I have just started my 1st year at Durham University, well, I saw just, it's nearly the end of the 1st term. While here, I'd love to really improve my cricket and be able to go back to my club in the Summer and be a much improved player.
I have just paid for a personal programme from one of the Uni gym people in order to help my pace bowling, but obviously it's not as simple as that. I was wondering if you guys had any ideas on how you would go about actively trying to improve your cricket and get coaching, as I am willing to put the hours in, it's just I don't really know anyone or the area so am a bit lost!
I am a seam bowler, and as a batsman I just give it a bit of a hit.
Cheers.
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Please deposit ten thousands Pounds in Buzz Swiss Account and you shall become a batsman of Brain Lara calibre :)
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Please deposit ten thousands Pounds in Buzz Swiss Account and you shall become a batsman of Brain Lara calibre :)
Done. Ten thousands poundssss sterling.
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glad you want to spend your student loan on me! although my offshore account is in the isle of man
and like the dodgy mrf stickers on ebay from a few years ago, I think you mean brain Lara after a dozen to so red stripes...
with your bowling, lots of hill running and overs under your belt. also take a trip to the library and see what cricket books that have. get hold of bob woolmers book if you can.
with your batting, see if you can get a batting buddy to help work on throw downs etc and help your technique.
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The fast bowlers bible is a great book for the bowler looking to improve and add more weapons to his arsenal
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Get someone to run some video analysis on you as part of their sports science dissertation lol, i'm sure you'll find someone. Then look at what areas of your action need improving. I bet you will find that as a half decent player, a very minor tweak to your action will be all you need. Will be a helluva lot of work, and very boring but if you're serious then it will work. Get in the gym as well, work on shoulders, core, wrists etc.
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i agree, think video analysis is the way to go, me and simmy are always up at the field working on our weaknesses. Personally my main issue is the mental side, i get carried away too easily :(
See peplow for a side arm pro :D saves messing about with a bowling machine or tiring out the bowlers
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THe only problem with video analysis is that you can over analyse and dend up with 5 or 6 points that you want to change. People don't understand that sorting your run up out for example can fix other things in your technique. Just make surte you look at the early parts of the action/technique first. After all, if you start wrong, you will finish wrong :D
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my cousin attended Durham University and played in their UCCE 1st XI for all three of his years there. he credits them with improving him as a quick - he went there as a 6'5, 11 stone beanpole and they had him doing 7am fitness sessions to work on his strength and stamina. he's now a 1st class county cricketer.
so basically get involved with them and try to use their expertise.
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send me a PM if you want a few tips
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Can also pm me if you want although the coaches at Durham will be far better qualified than most on here
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my cousin attended Durham University and played in their UCCE 1st XI for all three of his years there. he credits them with improving him as a quick - he went there as a 6'5, 11 stone beanpole and they had him doing 7am fitness sessions to work on his strength and stamina. he's now a 1st class county cricketer.
so basically get involved with them and try to use their expertise.
Go on then, who's your cousin?
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it's not a secret. John Glover. he was on a development contract with Glamorgan for the last 2 or 3 seasons, played 3 CC games at the end of the season including 4 wickets in the "pink ball" game against Kent.
signed a proper 1st team squad contract for next season. also a bloody nice bloke.
http://www.glamorgancricket.com/news-detail.php?int_id=773
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Micheal Holding says go to a 400m running track and sprint the straights and walk the bends which makes sense to me.
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Micheal Holding says go to a 400m running track and sprint the straights and walk the bends which makes sense to me.
Which does what? You will get fitter but it won't help you be a better bowler! You don't sprint in when bowling, you need a nice relaxed gentle rhythmic run.
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Will get the body used to sprinting (run up) and walking back (walking back to the mark). Take it up with Micheal Holding if you disagree but something tells me he will know more about bowling.
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Yeah fine but still won't improve technique and while making you fitter will definitely not improve you as a player. Just the ability to run up and walk back more easily.... FACT! Are you sure you read it right?
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Well no if the body gets more comfortable with the situations of bowling it will become a lot more natural therefore making you a better bowler as you're more comfortable in your run up. Its a well known fact 'stuttering' in your run up will effect bowling, this will eradicate that.
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How many 100m run-ups do you see though? And how often do you see them sprinting? Completely disagree. Maybe 20 years ago when coaching science wasn't so good, but not now. I would never even think of using it as a coaching drill or technique, only for fitness, which I agree is relevant.
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Don't do it then, i was only trying to give him an idea that benefitted my bowling and the fearsome West Indies attack, but hey maybe you're too good for that.
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Lol don't get choppsy mate. I'm only saying it wouldn't work. Feel free to waste your time doing it if you want to. I could think of 5-10 better ways to work on run up than that. But lets not argue about it and hijack the topic hey?
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Hello.
Right no disrespect to the previous post, but dont do anything they have told you so far.
Before you do anything, answer these questions,
How good are you now?
how good do you want to get?
How much will you give up to get it?
in hours a day how much time do you think will be enough to get it?
What is it you want to improve, in detail?
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Lol cheers mate. Pretty sure it explains all that.
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Lol cheers mate. Pretty sure it explains all that.
Is that in reply to my post Nick?
If so, then i cant see where any of thoses questions are answered!
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Hello.
Right no disrespect to the previous post, but dont do anything they have told you so far, other than the bank transfer to Buzz, that is a given
Before you do anything, answer this question,
have I saved up enough to be coached by Buzz
Ross, being a bit more serious, having aims written down is fair enough, but surrounding yourself with people who can help you drive yourself is also important. and while the desire has to come from within, there are some very valid points raised, such as seek out the ucce coaches and get yourself fit ahead if the winter nets.
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There not bad suggestions, but there not good ones, necessarily.... let me explain....
Firstly, I'm on a tablet so typing is hard, sorry for the mistakes that are bound to come up as this could be a longish one!
Look the advice is fine, get some good coaches at the ucce, get fit, read some good books, that's ok advice, but its not great, because no one even knows what this chap needs....
What if he's really fit, and runs 18 miles every day? Ok he said he got a programe off someone, but what was it for, strength, speed, injury reduction, flexibility.... What if he can hit 90 mph but cant land it on the cut bit. What if hes a swinger...easy! what if he cant read ;).... you get the idea.
Before giving advice, would it not make sense to first find out what the problem is?
He says he wants to work hard, and get in the first team, but what does that mean prem, div 8? What if he's dead good now and wants to make it as a pro, what if he's hopeless and loves cricket and want to spend all day playing, and fucks up his degree?.....
Part of being a good coach is making sure what you do, is the best thing for the player, just giving advice that in generally a good idea, is not great coaching, you have to put the player at the centre and work out.
Im not saying the advice is bad, just trying to guide it to a better place. Also i know everyone is trying to be helpful, and that a good thing too.
Sorry if this comes across badly...
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Hi there,
After reading your replies I'll try to answer some of the more key questions posed. Obviously it would be great to get help from the UCCE coaches, but I'm pretty sure they are preoccupied with the guys in the Academy, or the people who come to the Uni having played for Surrey or Middlesex or whatever, so I'm fairly confident I'm not the kind of case they are are looking at.
And right now I am mainly a bowler, I'd guess maybe about 6ft 3, I'd say realistically I only bowl about 70mph. Fitness is definitely not one of my strongest suits.
Last season was quite a bad one for me, because I injured my lower back at the very start of the season, and purely due to impatience never recovered well enough to be able to bowl properly again. But I'd done a lot of work over that winter and bowled a lot of overs so it's quite hard to judge where I am.
I just want to be the best player I can be, and due to having so much down time and being pretty driven, I'd be willing to put in a few hours a day.
Cheers for the advice lads, appreciated.
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Ok lets have a look then,
>> It would be great to get help from the UCCE coaches, but I'm pretty sure they are preoccupied with the guys in the Academy,
It might be worth while having a word with the coach and/or the captain, even if you don’t get in the team etc, they might invite to you nets, just to get the extra bowler, epically when they start out side. I’m not sure who is the head coach there now, it was Foxy, but if you find out and pop into his office and say something like:
“Look, I know I’m unlikely to be pushing for a place in the side, but If you ever have a need for some net bowlers, I’d be keen to help you out, I’m keen as mustard, I love cricket, and like to help you out if I can”
Basically get a cross how keen you are, coach love that, and they might ask you down for a net session, it will be really good for you too…
>>And right now I am mainly a bowler,
Ok, you need to keep working on you batting, every change you get, take it, think of youslef as a batter and behave like one even if you’re not. Other than that I can’t give you too much advice, again we really would need a load more information! But stick at it!
>>I'd guess maybe about 6ft 3,
How much do you weigh? How strong are you.
Here’s the basic fact about “fitness”. It’s not going have much of an impact in making you a better bowler – if you go from 4 out of 10 to 8 out of 10 in a fitness measure, you won’t become twice as good at bowling. People often think for example, that if they get stronger, they can bowl quicker, but if fact there is almost no direct coloration between, strength and speed of bowling, really think about it, otherwise Geoff Capes would be rapid!
But he throws like a girl.... ( :))
(http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_athletics/CAPES_Geoff_19750713_EL_R.jpg)
It is true that some people who do weight training get quicker at bowling, but this does not mean, and is not the same as more strength = more speed.
What it will do is make you less likely to get injured, and as you have already experienced, this will allow you to play and practice more, which will have a impact on your performance.
By all means get fitter, it will help, but just understand that “fitness” is a enabler not a driver of performance increases.
>>I'd say realistically I only bowl about 70mph.
That’s fine, but do you know what it is you are try to improve to become a better bowler? Do you want to get quicker, swing it, are you a bounce bowler, don’t you know – it’s not unreasonable that you don’t. It’s very, very hard for anyone to make suggestion as to how you can get better having never laid eyes on you. Sure people can say, go to a good coach, get fitter, read some books, that fine, but it not a very complete answer.
I think you need to narrow down to what it is you want to improve on , either by getting someone to look at you, or by having a think for yourself. Once you’ve done that then ask a more specific question.
If you like, try and film yourself bowling and stick it on you tube, then we can have a look at you and make some suggestions.
>> Last season was quite a bad one for me, because I injured my lower back at the very start of the season, and purely due to impatience never recovered well enough to be able to bowl properly again. But I'd done a lot of work over that winter and bowled a lot of overs so it's quite hard to judge where I am.
Injuries are the surest way to stunt your development. If you feel that this could be an issue for you then make sure you’re doing enough of the right sort of work to avoid them. Basically strength work and flexibility.
Make sure you work on you Flexibility! Hamstrings often lead to back backs. And here’s a tip for the masses – not do very much stretching before you play, run around, get warm, send a few down, but avoid stretch before you play.
Stretch like bugger after though.
People will bang on relentless about core strength, but you need to ensure your whole body if strong, and that you are “bowling fit”. Bowling fit means that if you have to send down 20 over’s a match you can do it without getting injured, and you can do it over the period of the season. To be able to do this you need to work upto that work load – and you need to work up to it by actually bowling. Running, swimming, bike etc will help, but it won’t get you bowling fit!
On Core stability. People get a bit carried away with this. Firstly you need to be properly engaging the core muscles during all lifts, as this is part of good form, secondly while it is ture that a stronger core will help avoid back injuries, what people always miss is that if you are fitter and stronger over all then the incident of injury dramatically reduces. Basically we tend to get injuries when we are tired, that when our technique fails, when we start to strain etc. Getting fitter, and working upto peak loads (overs bowled) reduces the likely hood you’ll get injured over all.
>>I just want to be the best player I can be, and due to having so much down time and being pretty driven, I'd be willing to put in a few hours a day.
Good, keep working hard and you will improve, you’ve not mentioned your fielding yet either - ;)
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Easy on big Geoff there Ross, he's got to throw a 7kg ball instead of a 5.5lb one! Haha have you met him? He comes from my village, you wouldn't wanna meet him in a dark alley, big guy!
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Foxy was the guest speaker at my league doo a few weeks ago, seemed like a cracking bloke, one that seemed totally approachable and enjoyed a bit crack, maybe go and have a word like Ross suggested, he doesn't come across as someone who'll stick his nose at you which is the impression I get with other high level coaches who are up their own arses!
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Easy on big Geoff there Ross, he's got to throw a 7kg ball instead of a 5.5lb one! Haha have you met him? He comes from my village, you wouldn't wanna meet him in a dark alley, big guy!
I love Geoff, i,ve met him a few times, legend.