Custom Bats Cricket Forum
Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: imogzyboy on December 14, 2011, 12:17:58 PM
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hey all,
My friend is sponsored by kookaburra he has 3 bats and wants to sell me one its a kookaburra ccx he says its a pro bat intended to go to micheal carbary, he wants £250 for it im just thinking is a kookaburra pro bat worth 250 quid? i know alot of you are gonna say you can get other pro bats or you can make better ones for cheaper all i wanna know is, if a pro kookaburra bat is worth 250?
thanks
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buy a top of range SG cheaper and probs better
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do you have any images of the bat? I guess we could all say this is a pro bat that was destined for whoever. Would any brand also tell sponsored players that this bat was ment to go here or there but you can have it instead?
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my suggestion is you ignore his rediculous sales pitch and look at the bat, give it a whack with a mallet, waft it around a bit decide whether you like it and if you do agree a price with him. If not walk away.
don't choose a bat with what he says, choose it because you want it and it suits your play.
the term "pro bat" really irritates me... :o - but that is a side issue.
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thanks guys will try get some images up when he brings it to show me
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A mate at my club is fully sponsored by Kookaburra (Plays Australia U19's, so no surpirses there), and his bats are a much different shape to the ones off the shelf and they feel fantastic and perform bloody brilliantly, and I would easily pay more than £250. Mind you I'm in Australia, so top range bats over here would cost £350 - £500 over there.
Like Buzz said though, pick it up, have a swing with it, then tap it up. If you like it, try and work out a price you and he are comfortable with, if not then just move on. Don't buy it because it's a 'pro bat' as you will end up regretting it if it isn't suited to you.
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If its that good why would he want to sell it?
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he has 3 he says 2 kahunas and a ccx so just getting rid of one but its a good point if its that good whys he seeling it :/
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A couple years back Carbs was using Funky bats, and re-stickering them.
This was from a very reliable source, I did see a close up of the bats one T20 game, and you could see where the funky logo print had been sanded off.
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Just buy it as you would any other bat. The term 'pro bat' means nothing as, unless he is currently an international or a very well established pro the bat will be no better than anything you could buy from the right person/supplier anyway. Of course, if you're talking about one of Ponting's cast off's then it's probably worth a bit more but, again, only if it is proveable if you come to sell it. :D
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well ive just met him and to be honest the pick up was extremely light so ive said i will get back to him on it! but another shop who used to sponsor me have offered me some good deals on newbery bats just wanted to see which ones other people thought were good? the TT looks a very likely option anyone used one?
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So did you take any pictures?
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yeah i just gotta upload them to photobucket :)
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no good having what some would call a pro bat if it doesnt suit you, you'd be better off with a bat that is labelled as much lower but suits your game, the bat may have a middle out of this world (possibly no better than non "pro" bats anyway!) but if you cant find the middle defeats the object! bear it in mind. If you love the bat then forget its a pro bat and ask if its worth 250, ask your self if you could get something equally as decent for less, if there is only a little problem could that be straightened out by buying a complete custom bat for less?
do remember top kooks are probably 250+ too though.
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my issue is i have always loved the newbery b-52 and i could always find the middle on it without an issue! so im wondering weather to go for a good model of them but in the shop i picked up a TT and it felt amazing! weighed in at 2.12 i think it was but picked up very well! i felt the bat for 250 i wasnt 100% on especially when i could get a better deal for a bat that may not be as good to most but felt good to me.
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bingo, thats your answer then, you werent 100%, you think you can get not only a better bat but one for less too, think you've answered your own question mate!
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haha i love this forum so much! the advice is brilliant and its probably just saved me making a huge mistake :D cheers peplow
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I've only ever used one 'Pro' bat, which was a Gray Nicolls which was used by John Simpson (Middlesex), and it was horrible! It may have just been me, but it was so light and the middle was quite high up I couldn't get it off the square!
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i have a couple of Newbery "pro" bats, one i received through the post from Neil Lenham yesterday. the first was a unselected bat originally made for someone during the world cup, the other was made for me .. i'm no pro, but the term pro simply relates to the type of cleft and the way it's pressed. i can without doubt say that my bat is the same shape and weight as the ones that Jayawardena uses, was it made for him? no. but it's no SPS either, it's not got great grains, it's not oversized, but it has a middle that goes like a 2'15, it's only 2'9 double gripped, faced and toed, and i'd much rather have this than one that has a name attached to it but doesn't suit my play. that said, i have picked up professional batsmens' bats before, and what mine has in common is how they pick up, but even then, not even Tim Keeley can promise you how a bat will develop a middle, he can only promise the balance, and this is more easily achieved with certain clefts that are put aside for priority usage
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Before I would really get excited over 'Pro' bats but after seeing some I have changed my views.
I do agree with most people who are saying pickup is better but I find pickup to different from person to person, for example what I like and feel is good might not be your liking so that is upto an individual.
Some of the pro bats I have seen and have don't look anything special, I mean grain wise they are not pleasing.
BUT one thing is that they do perform well, the middle goes extremely well and bat will perform well.
But I don't know I sometime believe an off shelf bat will have more or less same performance at some point of there life if we use it for good couple of seasons.
So I would advise you to feel the bat, if you like the feel then move on to second test which is testing the ping etc.
Good luck!
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i have a couple of Newbery "pro" bats, one i received through the post from Neil Lenham yesterday. the first was a unselected bat originally made for someone during the world cup, the other was made for me .. i'm no pro, but the term pro simply relates to the type of cleft and the way it's pressed. i can without doubt say that my bat is the same shape and weight as the ones that Jayawardena uses, was it made for him? no. but it's no SPS either, it's not got great grains, it's not oversized, but it has a middle that goes like a 2'15, it's only 2'9 double gripped, faced and toed, and i'd much rather have this than one that has a name attached to it but doesn't suit my play. that said, i have picked up professional batsmens' bats before, and what mine has in common is how they pick up, but even then, not even Tim Keeley can promise you how a bat will develop a middle, he can only promise the balance, and this is more easily achieved with certain clefts that are put aside for priority usage
Some pictures mate? I am sure we will be quite delighted to see those. Off topic: Sherpa is such a Nepali name; you in Nepal mate?
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Before I would really get excited over 'Pro' bats but after seeing some I have changed my views.
I do agree with most people who are saying pickup is better but I find pickup to different from person to person, for example what I like and feel is good might not be your liking so that is upto an individual.
Some of the pro bats I have seen and have don't look anything special, I mean grain wise they are not pleasing.
BUT one thing is that they do perform well, the middle goes extremely well and bat will perform well.
But I don't know I sometime believe an off shelf bat will have more or less same performance at some point of there life if we use it for good couple of seasons.
So I would advise you to feel the bat, if you like the feel then move on to second test which is testing the ping etc.
Good luck!
As usual CD is my favorite poster anywhere :D
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As usual CD is my favorite poster anywhere :D
I haven't forgotten that Laver Pro deal, will try to do it today as it is last day for exams
:D
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Ace that bro!!
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i have a couple of Newbery "pro" bats, one i received through the post from Neil Lenham yesterday. the first was a unselected bat originally made for someone during the world cup, the other was made for me .. i'm no pro, but the term pro simply relates to the type of cleft and the way it's pressed. i can without doubt say that my bat is the same shape and weight as the ones that Jayawardena uses, was it made for him? no. but it's no SPS either, it's not got great grains, it's not oversized, but it has a middle that goes like a 2'15, it's only 2'9 double gripped, faced and toed, and i'd much rather have this than one that has a name attached to it but doesn't suit my play. that said, i have picked up professional batsmens' bats before, and what mine has in common is how they pick up, but even then, not even Tim Keeley can promise you how a bat will develop a middle, he can only promise the balance, and this is more easily achieved with certain clefts that are put aside for priority usage
Tim does pretty much guarantee a middle on his pro bats. It used to be 8 bats go in the machine to get 2 which were deemed good enough for the pro. Which is why there's a lot of rejects and 'made fors' floating around.
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i have a couple of Newbery "pro" bats, one i received through the post from Neil Lenham yesterday. the first was a unselected bat originally made for someone during the world cup, the other was made for me .. i'm no pro, but the term pro simply relates to the type of cleft and the way it's pressed. i can without doubt say that my bat is the same shape and weight as the ones that Jayawardena uses, was it made for him? no. but it's no SPS either, it's not got great grains, it's not oversized, but it has a middle that goes like a 2'15, it's only 2'9 double gripped, faced and toed, and i'd much rather have this than one that has a name attached to it but doesn't suit my play. that said, i have picked up professional batsmens' bats before, and what mine has in common is how they pick up, but even then, not even Tim Keeley can promise you how a bat will develop a middle, he can only promise the balance, and this is more easily achieved with certain clefts that are put aside for priority usage
Balance is determined by the shape of the bat, not by the cleft. Two different clefts shaped the same way are likely to have very similar balance, assuming willow density is similar. The middle, as Tom says, is a different kettle of fish...
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Which is why there's a lot of rejects and 'made fors' floating around.
humm maybe a reject for some, quite good enough for the rest of us!!
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humm maybe a reject for some, quite good enough for the rest of us!!
Very true, Tim has very high standards though and seems to take great pride in making bats for some of the best players in the world. Which is why he's rather picky. Even the rejects are good enough for most, quite a few ended up in the hands of County players. Perhaps similar to what Kookaburra have done here with Carberry's.
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At the risk of being a little nebulous: how important is the 'pressing' factor to this middle? And if it is the all important or the most important factor, does the 'pro'ness of a bat ultimately come down to the pressing?
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oh god.
always this question...!
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At the risk of being a little nebulous: how important is the 'pressing' factor to this middle? And if it is the all important or the most important factor, does the 'pro'ness of a bat ultimately come down to the pressing?
Can I suggest before lots of people answer this question - Kaustav - please can you put "pressing" into the search function and read as much as you can from previous posts... you will find your answer there - look especially for posts by members called Norbs, SAFBats or Talisman...
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Thanks Buzz but trust me I have read at least some of these and some more in a few other places and hence just wanted to clarify that since pressing is the most important factor in producing the middle, what happens different in a 'pro' bat (as per this thread) that sets it aside from the rest? Is this conscious or does it have something to do with the luck factor as well? I hope I have expressed my question better now. But I promise to keep on reading :)