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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: mad_abt_cricket on December 19, 2011, 08:42:46 AM
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Haven't noticed many left arm bowlers in international circuit bowling with front on action. Perhaps Wayne Parnell from SA but not too sure if he is fully front on.
I have a dodgy left knee and it takes a toll when I bowl left arm with side on action. I am more comfortable with front on action but spray down the leg side while bowling over the wicket, hence always have to bowl around the wicket which is not ideal.
Any suggestions / videos of a left arm bowler bowling front on over the wicket will be of great help!
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what sort of angle do you approach the crease with? very straight or with an angle?
have you had you action recorded so you can look at it?
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could be the wrist thats causing the issue. one of our junior players has a lazy wrist and sprays it down the leg all the time. if he remembers to think about things hes ok. as soon as he stops thinking he sprays it everywhere
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I have a straight run up, can't leap too much due to knee condition. Unfortunately, do not have any video at this moment, will make one and post it soon.
The ball comes out of my hand pretty nicely with seam upright and with a semi new ball I am able to swing the ball both ways.
I lack in following:
1. Run up -- I tend to loose my rhythm as I am approaching the crease. Never able to fix my run up. Any ideas how to replicate my run up over and over again. I tried counting paces but never helped. Any useful stuff on how I can make it smooth would certainly help.
2. Control -- As I mentioned, I am more comfortable bowling front on, but over the wicket it just takes the ball always drifting down the leg stump.
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Bowl sidearm.
Low stress on the knees, once you have practiced it, its no less effective than bowling front on.
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Like Johners77 said I suspect the wrist position might be wrong.
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I have a straight run up, can't leap too much due to knee condition. Unfortunately, do not have any video at this moment, will make one and post it soon.
The ball comes out of my hand pretty nicely with seam upright and with a semi new ball I am able to swing the ball both ways.
I lack in following:
1. Run up -- I tend to loose my rhythm as I am approaching the crease. Never able to fix my run up. Any ideas how to replicate my run up over and over again. I tried counting paces but never helped. Any useful stuff on how I can make it smooth would certainly help.
2. Control -- As I mentioned, I am more comfortable bowling front on, but over the wicket it just takes the ball always drifting down the leg stump.
based on the above, i would think your over thinking everything. your run ups a problem so your thinking about that instead of where your trying to put the ball. i would say a few minor tweaks and your there. is the same with most things. the more you think about it and analyse it the harder it becomes to get it right. keep things simple. out of interest how far is your run up?
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Also what is your head position at the moment of delivery?
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I'm with Johners77 on this one. Simplify! :D
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Thanks for your suggestions. My run up is around around 13 paces.
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1. Run up -- I tend to loose my rhythm as I am approaching the crease. Never able to fix my run up. Any ideas how to replicate my run up over and over again. I tried counting paces but never helped. Any useful stuff on how I can make it smooth would certainly help.
2. Control -- As I mentioned, I am more comfortable bowling front on, but over the wicket it just takes the ball always drifting down the leg stump.
Run up - go to a field. Place a bat on the ground and start your run from there, then just run until you're comfortable and complete your action. Do this half a dozen times - if you're comfotable in the same place every time, thats your run up length, which you can then pace out...
Control - tougher one this, without seeing your action I wouldn't be able to comment, though there are several possibilities!
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I bowl left arm over with a partly front on action. Whether you bowl side on or front on is only a small part of it.
1. Run Up - start off 2 or 3 paces and gradually work back a couple of paces at a time until you get a balance between pace and control
2. Dragging down leg - if this happens less going around the wicket then it sounds like your bowling arm and release points are crooked. Concentrate on getting your arm as straight as possible and driving your wrist/arm through the direction you want the ball to go. It could be your arm is swinging around your body and dragging down leg at the moment.
3. Head still at delivery, looking at were you want to bowl the ball - left arm over ought to be in the channel 6 inches outside off stick. Bowl to straight and you risk dragging it down leg.
4. Jumping in delivery stride - give it up, aim to run through the crease with a last big stride instead of a jump. Again it's about control, keep on the ground and you keep in control. Jumping in the air looks great but don't deliver until you land and staying upright and balanced is more important.
Other factors like ridges and slopes on the crease can also require you to adjust but concentrate on the basics first.
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What about where your front foot points at delivery - when you bowl front on, this has a significant impact on your ability to brace your front leg - if it is splayed open you will collapse and lose control... (or so I hear - I am always weary of heading towards bowling advice.)
the issue you have now is you have lots of different bits of advice - some of which may be a game changer for you and some may make you worse - without being able to watch you bowl the help is limited... (in my view)
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the issue you have now is you have lots of different bits of advice - some of which may be a game changer for you and some may make you worse - without being able to watch you bowl the help is limited... (in my view)
Gotta say I agree with that - with batting its relatively easy to apply simple principles, but with a bowling action there are so many interlinked movements that "fixing" one perceived problem might stop something else working - a classic example of this was when Troy Cooley tried to get Jimmy Anderson to look up as he delivered the ball!
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Some really good inputs..
I will try to make a video of my bowling and post it here.
Thanks again.
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Another one to consider is to approach the crease from a wider angle. This should help you force the ball across right-handers. Revert to a straighter run up when bowling to left handers
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consider where your bowling hand ends up at the end of your action.
i reckon your left hand will end up near your right pocket. biomechanically, the ball is almost guaranteed to go down leg to a right hand batsman.
try pulling your arm through your bowling action at a straighter angle so your left hand finishes its motion next to your left pocket. it should help straighten you up, and you might even get a little bit of away swing if your wrist is in the correct position.
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consider where your bowling hand ends up at the end of your action.
i reckon your left hand will end up near your right pocket. biomechanically, the ball is almost guaranteed to go down leg to a right hand batsman.
try pulling your arm through your bowling action at a straighter angle so your left hand finishes its motion next to your left pocket. it should help straighten you up, and you might even get a little bit of away swing if your wrist is in the correct position.
Don't agree with this - his left arm should finish by his left pocket. By finishing by hs right pocket your encouraging him to fall over at the crease - I guess that might well help him bowl to a right-handers off stump, but will make it harder to control the ball if he has to bowl at a left hander
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Another one to consider is to approach the crease from a wider angle. This should help you force the ball across right-handers. Revert to a straighter run up when bowling to left handers
heard similar advice but I think that's insane. You will force him to contort his body into a side on position that isn't natural and reduce his chances of swinging the ball back - a key feature of being a left armer! As for the left/right pocket thing, when you bowl your left arm natural follows through to your right pocket. Dragging the arm across the body is natural and a key part of bowling an inswinger. To bowl an outswinger you "push" the ball with your wrist and the arm will follow through closer to the left pocket but I think that's for another day. Simmy will testify I can bowl both inswinger/outswinger and do know what I'm talking about :D
Trust me I've tried everything in 27 years of left arm swing bowling. Keep it simple, arrive at the crease balanced and concentrate on natural, repeatable delivery with the head still and arm/wrist pointing towards where you bowl it. Bowling is as simple as batting, just don't think too much about it and do the basics.
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My natural delivery is an inswinger and it swings so much that it ends up down the leg side. It still works fine for me with a semi new ball but with the new ball I end up delivering wides after wides.
In the winter season right now we play with indoor yellow balls. These balls swing twice as much as red balls and really hard to control unless you end up delivering cross seam ( which defies the whole purpose of bowling with a new ball).
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As a right arm swing and seam bowler, I'd agree with Nick. Concentrate on simplicity and consistency. While you worry about everything you will find it hard to control the ball.
Put the hours (and it is hours!) in to determine your run up. Spend 6 hours a week running in and bowling - you will find a length of run up that you are comfortable with. Losing rhythm prior to the delivery strides suggests that your run up is not the correct length. Do as someone mentioned and reduce it, almost coming in off a walk in. When you find a length that is comfortable, keep using it.
In addition, as you run in, look at where you want the ball to bounce. Even as a swing bowler, this will aid you in your delivery. You'll be surprised at how effective this is even with the ball swinging.
Don't try and jump. it puts you off balance and all over the place. Just run through the crease.
Finally, practice. 10,000 hours is the number quoted, and unfortunately for anyone bowling with any kind of pace, it is necessary. You have a lot of levers to co-ordinate and the more you do it and it feels right, the better it will become...
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Sounds like you are bowling more round arm than you should, if the ball s swinging alpt. Does the ball swing early?
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Yes, it is more round arm ( can say its a cross between waqar and kapil dev's action :) ). The bowl swings quite early. I am trying to remain as side on as possible as I read that being side on makes the ball swings late though no success so far in terms of consistency.
Yesterday,
I got one to swing too much and was lucky that the batsman nicked it down the leg side to the keeper.
Then, I nearly got one batsman got bowled by a big in swinging delivery but was called wide as it missed the leg stump by a whisker ( harsh twenty twenty rule :( ) .
Another delivery I got to jack back and got the batsman plumb in front who was lucky to survive due to height of the delivery.
In between these two I sprayed around few deliveries, trying to deliver a magic banana swing.
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heard similar advice but I think that's insane. You will force him to contort his body into a side on position that isn't natural and reduce his chances of swinging the ball back - a key feature of being a left armer!
I don't think he should change his action at all, just the angle that he approaches the wicket.
If you draw a line from the start of your run up to where you are delivering the ball (i.e. down legside), then to start bowling the right side of the wickets, pivot that line at the bowling crease.
I've just drawn up an example, but can't post on photobucket whilst at work - could someone post for me if I email them?
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A bit off topic but really curious if any one knows how to achieve late swing ?
All the top fast bowlers have this ability to swing the ball late, which commit the batsmen into a false shot.
Prime example is Dale Steyn in the current crop of international bowlers.
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If late swing was available on tap with a secret answer there wouldn't be many batsmen getting 50's let alone 100's!!
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I don't think anyone else has said this?
Your right arm could be falling away to the right, pulling your whole body to the right and causing you to bowl down there. This is a very common problem and sorting that out makes a lot off difference. My left arm (I am a right arm bowler) used to fall away, and I would always bowl down the offside, but now I don't.
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that could be another reason JoeHig. However if it swings early then you basically need to get your arm higher/straighter and remain upright. Being side on would help but I wouldn't change too many things at once. Force yourself to clip the ear and focus on bowling as high and upright as possible, the idea being to learn good habits even if you never get it 100% right.
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I wouldn't change too many things at once.
Baby steps :D As Jonny has said, always start at the beginning of any technique before looking further down the line. If the run up is wrong, chances are everything else will be panini'd!
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more fundamental than that my friend. Bowling action first off 2 paces, as I was taught as a colt and then gradually extend the run up without compromising the action.
If you can't stand still and hit the stumps with your bowling action then you might as well give up bowling.
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more fundamental than that my friend. Bowling action first off 2 paces, as I was taught as a colt and then gradually extend the run up without compromising the action.
If you can't stand still and hit the stumps with your bowling action then you might as well give up bowling.
Absolutely, I always forget that that is the first step lol.
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mad_abt_cricket you should watch doug bollinger bowl. He has a nice front on action and he is left handed. Very underatted dougy bollinger!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBzRFYj9MWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVLbrA4TznY
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thank you!
mad_abt_cricket you should watch doug bollinger bowl. He has a nice front on action and he is left handed. Very underatted dougy bollinger!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBzRFYj9MWI[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVLbrA4TznY[/url]
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No problem mate hope it helped