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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: langer17 on December 20, 2011, 06:09:12 AM
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He must be picked for Australia! It must be a certainty He is in unbelievable form as his last 5 First Class matches scores show:
134*, 145 (Australia A), 65, 141* and 109 against the Indians today. That makes 594 runs at and average of 198 over his last 5 FC innings, which is insane!!!
That is incredible form and if Australia don't pick him after the shocking batting performances of late, then there is something seriously wrong with them, as form like that cannot be ignored!!!
To be honest, he should have been picked ahead of Warner for the tests against NZ, as Cowan got 145 in that game and Warner only got 65, so dunno what happened there.
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I have a feeling that they will stick with the older blokes, but that doesn't send the right message - Team is struggling and so are certain players (Ponting and to a lesser degree, Hussey), but they don't drop them. There are players performing in FC cricket and who have earnt the right to come into the team, but don't get picked as CA hasn't got the balls to drop the underperforming players.
If Australia is to get back up there, then these calls HAVE to be made!
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Yep, I have been following his stats for sometime and he does deserve a shot; I think the selectors are too scared to gamble with to much young blood at the same time. But I do believe that Australia needs to field the strongest 11 and age should not be a criterion. But it is a difficult decision no doubt. If he is picked, who is the one guy you think that should be axed?
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Yep, I have been following his stats for sometime and he does deserve a shot; I think the selectors are too scared to gamble with to much young blood at the same time. But I do believe that Australia needs to field the strongest 11 and age should not be a criterion. But it is a difficult decision no doubt. If he is picked, who is the one guy you think that should be axed?
I would drop Ponting, 2 years on the wane and he hasn't been dropped, what a joke. Yes you need experience, but surely Clarke, Haddin and Hussey have plenty of experience, plus there are also coaches in Aruther, Mcdermott and Langer. Then there is also Dan Christian who could come in.
I think they will give Ponting boxing day, and if he doesn't perform, then he will be dropped. He has been one of the greats for Australia, but sadly he has struggled for a while now, which has led to him losing the right to call time on his career.
Australia need to make these calls, because the longer we have our heads internched in the past and what has been, we lose touch with what is happening now, which will lead to us falling further from the top.
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I think the Indians are always hypnotized during the first test; if Australia has to experiment/take a chance first test is the way to go I feel but I don't think the selectors will have ****s to do that.
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Saw this photo this morning, looks really nice with the footwork.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/image/546249.html?page=1
I predict if this guy gets selected will prove to be a thorn in the flesh to the Indian team.
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He must be picked for Australia! It must be a certainty He is in unbelievable form as his last 5 First Class matches scores show:
134*, 145 (Australia A), 65, 141* and 109 against the Indians today. That makes 594 runs at and average of 198 over his last 5 FC innings, which is insane!!!
Technically the 109 should not count toward your stats as it is not a first class game...
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This is perhaps my favourite part of Australia's small trough. It reminds me of being an England fan in the late nineties - the established establishment players are waning but, really, still better than the rest, but as a fan you can't help hoping A.N. Journeyman's purple patch means they're the saviour but in fact all they really are is another Mark Lathwell, Gavin Hamilon or Aftab Habib ...
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or Ed Smith Alvero...
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Steve James?
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Technically the 109 should not count toward your stats as it is not a first class game...
Either way he should be in the mix... and leaving the last innings out makes his average 242... Pretty reasonable stats
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This is perhaps my favourite part of Australia's small trough. It reminds me of being an England fan in the late nineties - the established establishment players are waning but, really, still better than the rest, but as a fan you can't help hoping A.N. Journeyman's purple patch means they're the saviour but in fact all they really are is another Mark Lathwell, Gavin Hamilon or Aftab Habib ...
Oh yeah...
Like you had a Cummins or Pattinson coming through at that time.
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Oh yeah...
Like you had a Cummins or Pattinson coming through at that time.
I think he was referring to your waning batsman not your promising bowlers. ;)
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Played against Cowans in Scotland and he was very impressive, averaged 80+ in the premier league, which plenty very good players have failed to do.
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Oh yeah...
Like you had a Cummins or Pattinson coming through at that time.
...we had plenty of Phil Hughes' :D
Even in the bleak days of English cricket, there was the odd diamond in the rough - Darren Gough for example
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Oh yeah...
Like you had a Cummins or Pattinson coming through at that time.
we had allan mulally and martin bicknell - one did very well at ODI stuff and the other didn't get a fair chance - although at that time we had Gough, Fraser, Cork, Lewis, Bicknell, Martin, Devon Malcolm, and a few others who were all managed very poorly.
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I think the future of Australian cricket is looking very bright to be honest
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I think the future of Australian cricket is looking very bright to be honest
the potential is there, I agree. The infrastructure seems a bit, erm, lacking...
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the potential is there, I agree. The infrastructure seems a bit, erm, lacking...
Negligently so.
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the potential is there, I agree. The infrastructure seems a bit, erm, lacking...
I think the problem has been the decision makers and not wanting to realise they have hit a rebuilding period.. They need to take a chance and show some confidence in the young talent. The older players are ending their careers and they are trying to get the last drops of blood from them.
Australia will have a devistating attack in the next few years and the batting talent is there they just need to expose them to the bright lights of international cricket... As long as its done correctly and they select players on form and potential
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There has always been the talent in both countries, to paraphrase Steve Waugh, it's what you do with it that counts.
And, Cummins is already broken... and Victoria have been holding Pattinson back by getting him to bowl the wrong length... Pattinson looks good though - better than Cummins does for sure.
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They need to take a chance and show some confidence in the young talent. The older players are ending their careers and they are trying to get the last drops of blood from them.
Australia will have a devistating attack in the next few years and the batting talent is there they just need to expose them to the bright lights of international cricket... As long as its done correctly and they select players on form and potential
Easier said than done... How many spinners have they chewed up and spat out in the last five years?
As I said before, the main reason the older players are still in is because they're still better than the younger ones...
you need to take a punt on people, like England did with Hoggard, Vaughan and Trescothick (and Jones and Harmison) in 1999-2002 and stick with them, rather than going with form. Otherwise you end up with flaky limited players like Hughes and Khawaja holding others back.
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There has always been the talent in both countries, to paraphrase Steve Waugh, it's what you do with it that counts.
And, Cummins is already broken... and Victoria have been holding Pattinson back by getting him to bowl the wrong length... Pattinson looks good though - better than Cummins does for sure.
I think you are righting Cummins off a bit too quickly... He will be the best bowler for Australia for quite a few years to come... I agree with Hughes but I think Khawaja has a future with Australia in Test cricket..
I disagree with the old players still being better than the young ones.... What do you base your statement on??... Ponting is still better than the young up and coming batsmen??.. How do you know that when they havent even had a chance in test cricket yet.... I think you are basing your statements on the old Ricky Ponting...which he no longer is...
Don't get me wrong I like Ponting and he was once the best batsman in the world... He is far from that now and its time to step aside.
Look at the batting talent coming through:
Warner
Khawaja
Cowan
Townsend
Christian
Cooper
Forest
Burns
Wade
Davis
And the list goes on and on
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I think that Ponting is the victim of a bit of a witch hunt to be honest. Clarke is a selector, if he didn't want Ponting then he wouldn't be in the team (see Katich saga). Don't forget that three Tests ago Ponting set Australia up to win a Test in South Africa with a really fighting knock.
I understand your point about him not being as good as he once was... your list is nice, it has some people who've got some first class runs this year on it but are they really Test class apart from Warner? Two English season ago Adam Lyth got a fair few for Yorkshire, last season he couldn't get it off the square. Something about form being temporary...
As someone on here said a while back, Khawaja has the whiff of Ramprakash about him without the technical excellence. Cummins looks exciting, but he may be like Simon Jones and keep picking up injuries, who knows he's only played a handful of grown up games (with great success); I just meant Pattinson looks proper (and like he has a brain).
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Is Dan Christian a proper batsman? he reminded me of Justin Kemp when he played for Hampshire. Smashed it for sure but I doubt he will solve the batting woes, Mitchell Marsh however could i believe. James Anderson was plucked from obscurity and hardly played a first class game before his debut like cummins and look at him now. I hope Cummins will be immense in the future, out and out quicks are what make cricket exciting and in his day and age of far superior strength and conditioning I hope he stays fit.
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I think that Ponting is the victim of a bit of a witch hunt to be honest. Clarke is a selector, if he didn't want Ponting then he wouldn't be in the team (see Katich saga). Don't forget that three Tests ago Ponting set Australia up to win a Test in South Africa with a really fighting knock.
I understand your point about him not being as good as he once was... your list is nice, it has some people who've got some first class runs this year on it but are they really Test class apart from Warner? Two English season ago Adam Lyth got a fair few for Yorkshire, last season he couldn't get it off the square. Something about form being temporary...
As someone on here said a while back, Khawaja has the whiff of Ramprakash about him without the technical excellence. Cummins looks exciting, but he may be like Simon Jones and keep picking up injuries, who knows he's only played a handful of grown up games (with great success); I just meant Pattinson looks proper (and like he has a brain).
Agree remember Tendulkar having a rough patch came through it hit A purple patch of form
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Is Dan Christian a proper batsman? he reminded me of Justin Kemp when he played for Hampshire. Smashed it for sure but I doubt he will solve the batting woes, Mitchell Marsh however could i believe. James Anderson was plucked from obscurity and hardly played a first class game before his debut like cummins and look at him now. I hope Cummins will be immense in the future, out and out quicks are what make cricket exciting and in his day and age of far superior strength and conditioning I hope he stays fit.
9 innings, 475 @ 59.37 and a strike rate of 57.22
So he seems to have matured in FC cricket this year and is grafting innings out.
His shield hundreds this year have come off a decent amount of balls, and he does play for SA who are last in the shield and have been down for some time now, so he is flourishing with little support. Highlight for me would be when he and Cooper were batting to stop NSW getting an outright, and he got out for 96 of 225 balls, he deserved a 100 as he batted very well that game.
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I think that Ponting is the victim of a bit of a witch hunt to be honest. Clarke is a selector, if he didn't want Ponting then he wouldn't be in the team (see Katich saga). Don't forget that three Tests ago Ponting set Australia up to win a Test in South Africa with a really fighting knock.
I understand your point about him not being as good as he once was... your list is nice, it has some people who've got some first class runs this year on it but are they really Test class apart from Warner? Two English season ago Adam Lyth got a fair few for Yorkshire, last season he couldn't get it off the square. Something about form being temporary...
As someone on here said a while back, Khawaja has the whiff of Ramprakash about him without the technical excellence. Cummins looks exciting, but he may be like Simon Jones and keep picking up injuries, who knows he's only played a handful of grown up games (with great success); I just meant Pattinson looks proper (and like he has a brain).
A few of these batsmen have been scoring runs over the last 2 seasons...and don't forget they are still young guys so the stats arent going to go back to far..
As for Tendulkar you certainly can't compare his rough patch with Pontings.... Apart from one innings recently how long has it been since he scored runs???
I think Clarke is showing Ponting loyalty..which you can only do for so long.
And another 2 names
Mitchell and Shawn Marsh
You poms better enjoy it while it lasts cause we will be back before you know it.. and we know how long it lasted previously...haha
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Make hay while the sun shines.
I didn't mention Tendulkar.
How's Shaun's back?
Maddinson should be on your list. He plays for NSW at least.
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Make hay while the sun shines.
I didn't mention Tendulkar.
How's Shaun's back?
Maddinson should be on your list. He plays for NSW at least.
Sorry the Tendulkar comment was for pacman75cricket
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Sorry the Tendulkar comment was for pacman75cricket
No worries :D
Fun debate.
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No worries :D
Fun debate.
Could say it is a mass debate
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9 innings, 475 @ 59.37 and a strike rate of 57.22
So he seems to have matured in FC cricket this year and is grafting innings out.
His shield hundreds this year have come off a decent amount of balls, and he does play for SA who are last in the shield and have been down for some time now, so he is flourishing with little support. Highlight for me would be when he and Cooper were batting to stop NSW getting an outright, and he got out for 96 of 225 balls, he deserved a 100 as he batted very well that game.
I didn't see that side to him at Hampshire, the Aussies need to bat long and keep the Indians bored in the field as mentioned on here before. Praveen Kumar not playing is a bonus for you as he swings it round corners.
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I didn't see that side to him at Hampshire, the Aussies need to bat long and keep the Indians bored in the field as mentioned on here before. Praveen Kumar not playing is a bonus for you as he swings it round corners.
My favourite bit with Christian is that he has been touted as a bowler.
What are Christian's bowling figures this year in FC cricket?
Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR
5 9 176.5 46 497 10 3/67 4/121 49.70 2.81 106.1
Mind you, given Sachin's record against newbies, he'd probably get him out!
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My favourite bit with Christian is that he has been touted as a bowler.
What are Christian's bowling figures this year in FC cricket?
Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR
5 9 176.5 46 497 10 3/67 4/121 49.70 2.81 106.1
Mind you, given Sachin's record against newbies, he'd probably get him out!
Alot of the Indians would've faced him in the IPL but still he might suit these green bowler friendly wickets the groundsman seem to be preparing, which I'm sure will be the same for this forthcoming series.