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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Number4 on December 20, 2011, 10:58:16 AM
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Shane Warne just bowled McCullum with a cracker in the big bash
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He's so good. Bowling to the shot he wants, just crazy!
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Hd got McCullum with the exact ball he said just before he bowled it
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4 overs 1 for 22... Not a bad effort
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I actually love him. Probably even more than I love Gazza. Legends!
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Not the best quality but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1BR071uw2s
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That guy is a legend, looks in great shape to..
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Anyone who can pull Liz Hurley at his age has most certainly 'still got it'.
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That guy is a legend, looks in great shape to..
I think Liz Hurley's been cracking the whip
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I think Liz Hurley's been cracking the whip
Wouldn't bother me, In fact I would welcome it lol
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Shane has to go down as the best leg spinner in history IMO... To come out of retirement and compete with the younger, current pro's speaks volumes for his talent.
Hurts me to say it thou... :)
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Not the best quality but...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1BR071uw2s[/url]
First time I've seen the talky thing - they probably only designed it for Shane to use in exactly that scenario! How great must the guys who suggested it feel right now?!
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First time I've seen the talky thing - they probably only designed it for Shane to use in exactly that scenario! How great must the guys who suggested it feel right now?!
Been around a while now in T20 comps
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Always have a player from each team on the mic in English domestic one day games. Key key commentated an over once
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he not just the greatest spinner of all time he's the greatest bowler of all time
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he not just the greatest spinner of all time he's the greatest bowler of all time
Murali was better
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No way was murali better!
He had an unfair advantage due to a deformity - warne is just pure talent!
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he doesn't have the variety warne has or had
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I agree, would much rather watch the Warne X-factor.
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he doesn't have the variety warne has or had
He could bowl off-spin and leg-spin, could spin the ball both ways with each action, had a whole variety of tricks up his sleeve and 800 test wickets sums it up quite nicely really.
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Nah! In the minority Joe lol
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there is a reason why he is out numbered warnes a legend he invented a new ball nearly every year when he was at his peak,he had the googly the slider the toppie the dipper the wrong un and he stock ball was the big leg spinner,he"s a genius simple as
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think it was mind games why he was so clever always outwitting batsmen, thought he said he only had 5 deliveries the rest was phycological.
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Big big reason murrali took that many wickets was the amount of overs he bowled due to being the only real threat apart from vaas who was not always dangerous
Warne was one of the threats with McGrath lee and others
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Warne bowled in a team full of quality bowlers, other mortals wouldn't of stood out.
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couldn't put it better myself mate
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Not easy to split Warne, Kumble, Murali, and a few others (I imagine O'Reilly, Laker, Grimmett would have been at the same level, and MacGill, Qadir and Mushtaq would have probably been there or thereabouts too!), but Warne stands out for his ability to take a game by the scruff of its neck, to control it, and he just stands out as a tactician, naturally talented bowler, and a purveyor of proper "gamesmanship". One of a kind, no spinner will ever match up to him.
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Sidney Barnes - now there's a bowler....and a fast spinner to boot!
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Sidney Barnes - now there's a bowler....and a fast spinner to boot!
You are just jealous that Warnie slimmed down and took Liz from under your nose Fattus...haha
She could have been yours if you only treated your body like a temple
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You also need to break down the teams murali and Warne took their wickets against, Warne took his against the (after Australia) best teams around, Murali against the bottom teams around.....
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That isn't a fair statement MD2812. Murali took just as many wickets against top teams too. Some figures:
Mural at home, 372 @ 22.22 (59 matches). Murali away, 252 @ 28.78 (49 matches). Excluding against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.
Warne at home, 319 @ 26.39 (69 matches). Warne away, 345 @ 25.49 (70 matches). Excluding against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.
Both were great bowlers, simple as that. Both had a lot to contend with... if Murali was often the only threat he would more often then not be bowling at top order batsmen... with McGrath and company frequently making inroads against the top order Warne would bowl against the lower order more frequently. Warne did well against England, but so did Murali - I would've loved to have seen Murali get more tests against the English back then too.
As stated there are a lot of factors to consider.
Here is a decent anaysis: http://www.sportstats.com.au/warnemurali.html
I'm sure if you were to jump on google and look around you could find many more too.
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No comparison, warney actually bowled the ball as opposed to Murali. Murali I found to be quite a sook as well.
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You can't persecute someone for contracting polio! He made the absolute best of an awful situation give the guy a break!
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Persecute is a bit harsh. Whichever way you look at it, his action was unorthodox to say the least. Whether you look at that as bending the rules, setting a trend or just pure genius, he did it legally. Whether the rules need changing is a completely different argument altogether. Still rather watch Warne though.
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No comparison, warney actually bowled the ball as opposed to Murali. Murali I found to be quite a sook as well.
Tbh I've heard too many opinions like these on Murali, and it really irks me. Anyone who think's he's a 'sook' (as per the definition I just had to look up) just plain doesn't know him, and I'd say doesn't know cricket. MM was the backbone and catalyst of the whole team on and off the pitch, and any report of his persona easily comes down any page about him after snide, borderline racist comments on his action, so few people know about him (properly).
He's always come across as someone embarrassed, if not ashamed, of having the deformity, though it's given him no easy route to the success he's enjoyed. It was he himself that instigated most of the medical research into examining his action, a process that indeed corroborated his assumptions that so many international cricketers bowl the ball with a similar bend to their elbow. Of all the cricketers biographies I'd like to read, his would be at the top.
However, like most people, for whatever reason, I'd rather watch Warne all day long. As he's a hero of mine - as far as I'm concerned, I didn't learn to bowl spin, I learnt to 'Warne'.
I think most people can 'relate' to Warne as there's so much (western) focus on his deliveries, and, to an extent, they're copy-able. Not many people appreciate that MM's are copyable too, though you'd have to start practising 10 hours a day, every day, from the age of 11! A number of great bowlers can do MM's deliveries (the doosra etc), MM is just a bit special that he can do them all!
I think English people (myself included!) are the only nation that would state that they (would) fear Warne more than Murali, and I think that tells of the impact of Warne's words/ego/mind games (lol). I've always though Murali hid his deliveries more impredictability about them.
So down to statistics, for me, I don;t really care who took the most wickets. When you're at that level, both bowlers can just be classed as geniune greats. Owing to the nature of cricket and the innings structure, not to mention the lack of standardisation for opponents, home/away's etc, then I don't think you can really, fairly, pick between them.
All I know, is that the subcontinent have always had great spinners. It was Warne that genuinely revolutionised the game (and, to a lesser extent, every summer I've had since 1991!)
Plus I'd like to see MM try his luck on Liz Hurley... ;)
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His action was digraceful, how is that borderline racist? Botha, Bird, Harbijhan and quite a few others are just as bad. As for not knowing him or cricket, I only comment on what I have experience in, I have met him twice and he left me with the lasting impression that he is indeed a sook.
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They both have respectable wicket tallies. However... Shane Warne ignited a spin revolution (excuse the pun). He made people want to be him, people wanted to be him because they could emulate him, as his googily, flipper, toppie etc can all be done by mere mortals, even if we are rubbish!
Murali was a freak, his action is nigh imopossible to replicate and much like malinga im sure this accounts for a fair few of his wickets. (it would be interesting to see if he takes more in the first 2 games of a series or the last 2). But he showed immense character to come back against the allegations being made against him and he also played with great heart and soul, as did Warne. Hecne why I would call both of them greats.
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http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=2sSyYSFhTLA
Watch this earlier, Mr Lara's opinion on the debate :)