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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Wilko on March 01, 2009, 09:32:02 AM
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Did you see phil hughes bat!! great knock while under pressure. he was on a pair but came back with a 77. it would have been good to carry on to 100, but it was a great knock.
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he was out twice and you could tell it was his debut, poor umpiring as very clear and not to refer 1 or both of them was silly,
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Teams claim for catches down the leg side all the time, and the vast majority usually clip the thigh pad or clothing, so could you explain to me how it is poor umpiring, I assume you can spot a ball clipping a glove at 80+mph when the batsman is moving around?
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i understand it is very difficult to see on majority of the occasions when it happens and umpires are not praised enough but i personally thought both were out in real time, maybe im being harsh because it was the aussies getting away with it :P
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He looks a class act, just like Marcus North, but with age on his side. Looking forward to the ashes!
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Looks a good prospect but looks a bit to eager to hit the ball at the moment.
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I thought they both looked poor
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I thought they both looked poor
Are you blind or something?
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they both looked poor, if your reffering to marcus north and phil hughes i'd think you were crazy. it isn't easy facing the worlds fastest bowlers so i wouldn't be so sure on that.
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Hughes looks a bit shakey on the front foot to me, might struggle when worked out.
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by the end of the series, hughes technique will have been dismantled
imo he is seriously overrated, and i would be quite happy for him to be opening up when australia arrive for the ashes!!
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Since when was scoring runs about how you get them...?
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You cant blame him for being shakey come on. the guy is 20 replacing australias best opening batsmen matthew hayden and hes under a lot of pressure from critics
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what pressure is he under from critics? from what i have read they have been clambering for him to be in since the home series against south africa! i remember alistair cook coming in at a similar age and looking much more comfortable on debut
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Im just saying his technique will be worked out, good on him for scoring runs and exactly, who cares how he gets them. The point is, for now he may score runs but as soon as he gets in a bit of a bad trot of form, i can imagine teams working out his weakness which at the moment looks like front foot shots.
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How many people score runs when they are in bad nick? you can't single him out just because his technique isn't perfect. Also, surely the Saffa's would have seen that he looked weak on the front foot? They are international bowlers, surely they are clever enough to pick up and hone in on this so called weakness, however they didn't so they must have had quite a good reason not to? Going by all the video analysist software, someone would have picked up on his flaws, even in half an innings.
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international bowlers ought to be able to spot major flaws in a batsmen within a matter of overs.
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Hughes is the second leading run scorer in Australian domestic cricket this season aged 20, I'm sorry but you don't score runs consistantly in the toughest domestic competition in the world if you dont have something about you. He doesn't look pretty but he will get the job done, people will say he will get worked out, if bowlers bowl good balls you wait for the bad ball and one thing he has got going for him is that he has a very very good eye. He will develop mentally the more he plays once he is adjusted upstairs there will be no stopping him. Current number one test batsman, I'm sure when he burst on the scene many people though, look at his technique he will get found out easily but no he makes the most of what he's got and combined with great mental strength has turned himself into a consistant world class performer.
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Geez, that brian lara didn't have perfect technique, look how well he did.
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if you all like we can get phil hughes to bend over, we can light a fire and blow smoke up his (No Swearing Please) all day...
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wait till he fails, then everyone will shut up and start critising his front foot, in my opinion he needs to get a stronger front foot defenence, doesnt have to look pretty but at the moment it just isnt quite up to scratch..
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Quick, someone get on the blower to the ECB - we appear to have some fantastic batting experts here, maybe they can sort out the England top 6
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and I think it would take a lot more than a few experts to sort out Englands selectors top 6
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i thought the subject was phil hughes, not the england top 6?
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he's just hit 115 against SA, he can't be as bad as some of you are suggesting!
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one swallow doesnt make a summer, or something to that effect
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Scored his first hundred at a younger age than Bradman, not a bad effort! His innings today was a fine contrast from the scratchy 75 on debut.
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Great knock from what I have seen of it, great confidence in the nineties too!
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Looked good to me but the SAF bowlers bowled poorly as a group. Nice to see an opener going along at a positive strike rate.
Re the ashes, i can't think of any of our bowlers who'd have the weaponry to cause him any more problems than steyn. Sidebottom on top form maybe? Could hughes be suspect against away swing?
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I like the poor umpiring comment. there are two really difficult decisions in cricket. Seeing/hearing the faint edge onto the pad when the ball is over 145k's an hour and the other is a flick down the legside when the batsman is obscuring the view of the umpire. Even the square leg umpire often cannot help.
But to this simple umpire what it shows is that keepers and others behind the bat often have no idea what has happened during the journey of a ball. The non referral backs my statement up. But hey the experts will always start bitching if a decsion doesn't go their way because they know what happened. Lol.
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just scored his second hundred, i think this lads going to be good.
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looks a lot better than he did when i first commented but to me a bit like alistar cook once people realise how he plays he will find it a lot tougher to score runs as cook has... also ramps has been top run scorer in english domestic cricket for god knows how long and how many times he struggle in interntional.. he is a good player just saying he needs to lose a few bad habits which will cost him on international scene
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Looking at his score chart it looked like he scores most of his runs off the back foot cutting. He must be able to play off the front foot to though. He is also the youngest player to score a 100 in each innings of a test so that's a great achievement.
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Great knock. he looked way more comfortable this innings. lets hope he can take it to 200!
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Some of the shots today looked like baseball shots. He played well this morning.
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THIS KID CAN BAT!!!
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Hes looking a lot better then that first 75, hats off to him hope he keeps it up.
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hughes= world class.
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he was so damm fine in the ashes too, i see auzzie bopara . . . (i really like bopara btw)
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Bopara = Rubbish
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Bopara = Rubbish
Bopara=village !
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Bopara is very talented, but has mental toughness comparable to a salmon
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Like phil Hughes
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Bopara is a class player but is not a no.3 He hardly bats there for Essex.
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does he bat 4?
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I don't get why people are saying Philip Hughes has a lack of mental toughness. I mean the kid got a duck in in his dig in Test Cricket and in the next three inns he notched up 75, 115 and 160. In the process being the youngest player in history to score twin hundreds in a Test Match. Not to bad if you ask me.
Also he was made a scapegoat during the Ashes. 2nd inns at Lords was also a bump ball. It was due to Johnson bowling pies they ditched Hughes for Watson, as Watson would contribute with the ball.
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I don't get why people are saying Philip Hughes has a lack of mental toughness. I mean the kid got a duck in in his dig in Test Cricket and in the next three inns he notched up 75, 115 and 160. In the process being the youngest player in history to score twin hundreds in a Test Match. Not to bad if you ask me.
Also he was made a scapegoat during the Ashes. 2nd inns at Lords was also a bump ball. It was due to Johnson bowling pies they ditched Hughes for Watson, as Watson would contribute with the ball.
jeet i totally agree with you. the kid is only 18. give him a couple more years.
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the 'kid' is nearly 21 old boy
NO WAY! in the ashes they were talking about him being 18 and coming from some farm in australia. epic fail!
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musama your having a mare.
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Musama look at his cricinfo profie: http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/272364.html (http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/272364.html)
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i think i heard them wrong then. apologies all round.
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he made his first class debut for NSW at 17 or 18 thats probably what you heard
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Still great for breaking into the best team in the world at just 21!
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Not sure how you worked that one out, common sense must of been left behind on the the boat going to oz. South africa beat you on home soil, we won the ashes, india would probably beat you aswell.
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We are the best no more said.
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Walshy, we were the best. Not anymore.
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But soon we will regain our spot as the number one test team in the world.
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Not sure how you worked that one out, common sense must of been left behind on the the boat going to oz. South africa beat you on home soil, we won the ashes, india would probably beat you aswell.
What do you mean India "probably" beat Australia??? India battered Australia during the last Border Gavaskar series in India. India started Australia fall.
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no team started Australia's fall. the retirement of key players started Australia's fall. how exactly do you replace mcgrath, warne, Gilchrist, Hayden and langer. these players were the best in the world at what they did.
India, no matter how well they have performed over the past 5 years or so, are unfortunately an average team with 2, maybe 3 above average players. You look into their record and see how they have failed to perform on several occasions. A good team can play poorly and STILL win. Australia had that.
The Australia team of the 90s/noughties was a team with good players. Now its just an average with 4 above average players (RP, MC, Lee and The Huss).
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no team started Australia's fall. the retirement of key players started Australia's fall. how exactly do you replace mcgrath, warne, Gilchrist, Hayden and langer. these players were the best in the world at what they did.
India, no matter how well they have performed over the past 5 years or so, are unfortunately an average team with 2, maybe 3 above average players. You look into their record and see how they have failed to perform on several occasions. A good team can play poorly and STILL win. Australia had that.
The Australia team of the 90s/noughties was a team with good players. Now its just an average with 4 above average players (RP, MC, Lee and The Huss).
You're clearly are an idiot. India average side? I don't know who you support but England haven't beaten India in a Test Series in over 15 years(that's home and away).
Secondly before the South Africans beat the Australians at home, we came mighty close to doing so ourselves. If it hadn't been for shocking umpiring decisions against us, we would possibly won down under during India's tour of Australia 2008-09.
Two or three players above average? Keep kidding yourself. Tendulkar, the second best batsman of all time, Sehwag, Gambhir, Laxman, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Zaheer, Ishant the list goes on.
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india are a very good team, but aus are still the best in the world
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Dravid, the indian batting line up is full of legends
I think no team is the best in the world, I think at the moment world cricket is very open
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Musama=most egregious example of severely lacking cricket knowledge.
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You're clearly are an idiot. India average side? I don't know who you support but England haven't beaten India in a Test Series in over 15 years(that's home and away).
Secondly before the South Africans beat the Australians at home, we came mighty close to doing so ourselves. If it hadn't been for shocking umpiring decisions against us, we would possibly won down under during India's tour of Australia 2008-09.
Two or three players above average? Keep kidding yourself. Tendulkar, the second best batsman of all time, Sehwag, Gambhir, Laxman, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Zaheer, Ishant the list goes on.
Dravid, the indian batting line up is full of legends
I think no team is the best in the world, I think at the moment world cricket is very open
Musama=most egregious example of severely lacking cricket knowledge.
Tendulkar and Dravid are way past their prime. The fact that they both had to come out of retirement to play for India just shows the lack of talent and shows how much you are living in the past. OK.
The only thing sehwag had was reflexes - his footwork is appalling. now that those reflexes are going, he is looking very ordinary. Gambhir and Yuvraj - yes they are doing well. Laxman - wtf - what has he done recently for India? last time I remember him doing something big was like a century against New Zealand at the beginning of the year. Its almost the end of the year now! Zaheer Khan is coming toward the end of his time. he has past his peak now. Ishant Sharma - err NO. Now matter how big a prospect he is, he still has to prove himself. He hasnt done what Parnell or Aamer have done, has he.
Finally, Look at India as a whole team - 2020 world cup - out second round without even putting up a fight. Champions Trophy - out in the FIRST ROUND. truly awful from a 'good' team. India are NOT a good team. Good teams can win matches, or at least get to the semi finals of tournaments. You look at Pakistan - won the t20 and got to semi finals in champions trophy - are they a good team - probably. are they better than India - without A SHADOW OF A DOUBT
So, before you go criticising me and my knowledge of the game, ask yourself what you are actually talking about and how valid you reasons are. Tendulkar my (No Swearing Please).
And if any of you know how to argue, then come back with proper reasons. don't just list names of players .
PS Jeet you're clearly the typical Indian who cant bear the embarrassment of his talented yet awful national team being unable to perform at the highest level.
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He may be a typical indian but you are once again talking incredulously out of your (No Swearing Please), laxman tendulkar and dravid have all only played 3 tests this year. Dravind and tendulkar average over 60 and laxman over 70, obviuosly your far superior to them but its hardly a bad return.
As for sehwag im not sure why its a problem having minimal footwork, trescothic hasnt had a bad year, or career in fact. Its hardly fair statign his reflexes are going, hes been injured for ages and is porbably out of form.
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The first time Sehwag really came onto the scene was in the world cup of 03. people were calling him mini tendulkar and what not. as soon as i saw him play his shots, i could tell that he had poor footwork. next time you watch him play, just focus on the footwork.
You state that they played 3 tests ad have amazing averages. however i should remind you that those tests were against New Zealand of all teams. New Zealand (despite how well bond and co do against Australia) are very ordinary. In fact I would go as far as saying they are 7th best team in the world - hardly best if there are only 10 but you get my point. the bowling attack wasn't the best in the world. in fact far from it.
BTW, Have you seen how quickly tresco picks the line/length of the ball and gets into position!
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Musama - I was just rubbing my head after I fell from my chair laughing as your claim Pakistan are a 'good' team.
Ishant Sharma owes Ricky Ponting. Whereas Aamer, yawn, has a few Twenty20 wickets and ODI wickets. last time I checked, Test cricket is the making of a cricketer, not the limited over formats.
You maybe be mentally retarted, so let me jog your memory, VVS Laxman is feared by the Australians(this includes Steve Waugh's all conquering side and Ponting side would won 16 straight Tests), his 281 was one of the best innings ever played. Something no Pakistani player has ever managed. The so closed Pakistani greats like Inzamam, Younis Khan and Mohammed Yousuf all go missing against the Australians. Seconldy when India plays 5 Test matches in a year, and the last was in May, Laxman can't make India play additional Tests just to suit him.
This is the same Sehwag who has scored 2 300's in Test cricket? The second best opener India has produced since Sunil Gavaskar (Gavaskar being the best ever). The same Sehwag that treats Pakistan's bowling like a village attack?
No Pakistani is fit to be mentioned in the same breathe as the Little Champion. When a Pakistani can score 42 Test centuries as well as 12773 Test runs, you can have a song and dance.
Am I embarrassed that India didn't win the Twenty20 WC or Champions Trophy? Not really pal. My life doesn't revolve around the Indian cricket team.
I'll leave you with one thought thought, India are the first side from the subcontinent to win the ICC World Cup and the 1st winner's of the ICC Twenty20 WC. Just so you know, Pakistan have all ways been chasing India. Not the other way round.
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I agree with jeet but no one owes pointing NO ONE
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I agree with jeet but no one owes pointing NO ONE
Sorry Apple, there not my words, some of the commentators said it when Australia toured India last time. Mind you Harbhajan would trump even Ishant, Harbhajan has got Ponting 10 times!!!