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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: FvanN on February 21, 2012, 06:28:34 AM
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Just stuck the Sri Lanka vs India game on and watched the chap standing at the non strikers end be run out by the bowler just before he was about to deliver the ball, now I know its out but is it right to do it.
I personally don't have an issue with it althou I have never done it but had many opportunities when I could have done it.
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It has a specific name that I can't remember. Normal etiquette is to give the batsman a warning, and if he continues, run him out...
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Mankad-ed
I have the game on, but didn't see the incident however no one has been run out on the scorecard, so he was probably given a warning.
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From cricinfo:
"Angelo to face his first ball. Oh dear, Ashwin has Mankad-ed Thirimanne. Ashwin was walking in to bowl, Thirimanne was backing up, Ashwin knocks off the bails and asks the umpire "How's that?". Third umpire called for. I think Sachin Tendulkar has walked up and asked Sehwag to withdraw the appeal. Sensible stuff."
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I never saw it all just the highlight clip and then had to get to work, :(
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It is allowed as long as it's done before the bowler starts his delivery stride. That's the rule.
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Happened to me 3 years ago, the bowler was well into his delivery stride and whipped the bails off, the umpire warned me- I said that because he was in his delivery stride I shouldn't even need to be warned. Two overs later the same thing happened and I was given out! After a heated argument, our captain explained the rules to the umpire and I carried on :S
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Might have to give it a go this season just for a laugh
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Happened to one of my teammates a couple of years ago, he was on 80 odd at the time as well! Gutted!
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Isnt it something along the lines of as soon as the bowlers back foot makes contact with the ground you can run like mad if you wish.
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in cricket there are Laws - not rules.
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I did this to a guy in T-20 final last season big controversy but the law came back in effect Oct 1st/2011 and the final was on Oct 11th. Some ppl say its not in the spirit of the game, my take is if the non-striker is half way down the pitch before the bowler is even in his stride how is that in the spirit of the game, actually there is a law for that too called stealing a run, non-striker cannot leave the crease before the bowler is in his bowling stride..but umps dont care/know here
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I did this to a guy in T-20 final last season big controversy but the law came back in effect Oct 1st/2011 and the final was on Oct 11th. Some ppl say its not in the spirit of the game, my take is if the non-striker is half way down the pitch before the bowler is even in his stride how is that in the spirit of the game, actually there is a law for that too called stealing a run, non-striker cannot leave the crease before the bowler is in his bowling stride..but umps dont care/know here
I need to check that law about steeling a run, might come in handy
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the law has been changed. the bowler can run out the batsman before the ball is released. he can do it even after he is in his delivery stride.
as for the incident, i don't think they should have taken back the appeal. he continued to do it for the other bowlers. and in this case, the laws are pretty clear.
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the law has been changed. the bowler can run out the batsman before the ball is released. he can do it even after he is in his delivery stride.
as for the incident, i don't think they should have taken back the appeal. he continued to do it for the other bowlers. and in this case, the laws are pretty clear.
Law 38.2b is clearly counter your statement on the Lords website. Once in the delivery stride the ball must subsequently touch a fielder before the wicket is put down for the non striker to be given out.
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Law 38.2b is clearly counter your statement on the Lords website. Once in the delivery stride the ball must subsequently touch a fielder before the wicket is put down for the non striker to be given out.
Yes I agree, my understanding was that once a bowler is in his delivery stride he/she cannot run a batsman out the mankad way, Delivery stride being the point of jump in the run so if you come running in and don't jump or turn your arm over then you can run them out... only difference now is that you dont have to warn the batsman
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Law 38.2b is clearly counter your statement on the Lords website. Once in the delivery stride the ball must subsequently touch a fielder before the wicket is put down for the non striker to be given out.
it is not law 38. here is the link to it http://static.icc-cricket.yahoo.net/ugc/documents/DOC_BB1EB9635DEBBF50590D506FE7937343_1317276292184_861.pdf (http://static.icc-cricket.yahoo.net/ugc/documents/DOC_BB1EB9635DEBBF50590D506FE7937343_1317276292184_861.pdf)
here is the change to the relevant law:
Law 42.15 – Bowler attempting to run out non-striker before delivery
law 42.15 shall be replaced by the following:
the bowler is permitted, before releasing the ball and provided he
has not completed his usual delivery swing, to attempt to run out the
non-striker. Whether the attempt is successful or not, the ball shall not
count as one of the over. if the bowler fails in an attempt to run out the
non-striker, the umpire shall call and signal dead ball as soon possible.
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in cricket there are Laws - not rules.
you have both in cricket. there are the laws as per MCC. then you have rules for the different tournaments. as in, you can make some changes to a particular rule. for e.g. not allowing mankading could be a league rule that you set.
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Let's get one thing clear. Those are not the laws of cricket as maintained by the mcc. Those are the icc playing conditions which the icc lays down for odi games. More to the point, odi rule 42.15 says the same as law 38.2b.
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i really don't understand where it says that the ball must touch a fielder before the wicket is put down. could you care to enlighten me on that?
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i really don't understand where it says that the ball must touch a fielder before the wicket is put down. could you care to enlighten me on that?
38.2. Batsman not Run out
Notwithstanding 1 above, a batman is not out Run out if
(a) he has been within his ground and has subsequently left it to avoid injury, when the wicket is put down.
Note also the provisions of Law 29.1(b) (When out of his ground)
(b) the ball has not subsequently been touched by a fielder, after the bowler has entered his delivery stride, before the wicket is put down.
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I have got to try this in a game........