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Title: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 04:00:20 PM
Got this bat with me and thinking I may use it, it is 8mm long blade, 12 grains, 36mm edges, 62mm spine and 2.9 dead with no concaving. Nice thick toe and should suit straight hitting and slow low wickets.

(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh132/camelotcricketer/IMAG0171.jpg)

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Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on March 14, 2012, 04:02:36 PM
is this the one i waved about the other day?
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: tim2000s on March 14, 2012, 04:03:59 PM
It looks as though it would pick up relatively heavy. How do you find it?
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Johnny on March 14, 2012, 04:04:04 PM
I reckon that blade is definitely longer than 8mm
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 04:05:58 PM
Yes, Tomtek had his dirty paws on it... It picks up heavier than a standard blade, with all the weight down low it has to, strangely this is why I like it as I use heavier bats but with the size of it the lower dead weight might be beneficial.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on March 14, 2012, 04:08:30 PM
picked up well and had a nice feel to it in terms of swinging through the line...it would prob improve further with a grip on it to balance it out.

No chance of cracking the toe on it due the the sheer thickness of it!
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: charlie15 on March 14, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
That's a monster!  It'll be interesting to hear how it picks up with the extra grip!
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on March 14, 2012, 04:12:32 PM
is that 2lb9 dressed? always wondered how you can make a bat that big with no concaving for that weight. especially as it has the longer blade
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 04:15:49 PM
I'll grip it at some point, 2.9 naked, would be 2.7 with standard blade, toe is 38mm thick so you get the idea of solidity...
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on March 14, 2012, 04:18:15 PM
I'll grip it at some point, 2.9 naked, would be 2.7 with standard blade, toe is 38mm thick so you get the idea of solidity...

thats a chunky toe. even for 2.7 for standard thats still pretty big. i know alot of wood is taken out of the spine area but even so! Hopefully it goes as well as it looks
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: 100 not out on March 14, 2012, 04:18:38 PM
How strong would the splice area be, with all the weight removed from there is that a weakness zone now.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: 100 not out on March 14, 2012, 04:20:54 PM
personally id like a heavy bat to pick up lighter, this profile (especially with no concaving) seems to suggest a lighter bat that picks up heavier. willow wise, looks a stunner.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 04:24:01 PM
How strong would the splice area be, with all the weight removed from there is that a weakness zone now.

The trick is that the bat has increased willow in the blade and that makes the splice looks thin but would be as thick as a standard bat in that area. Also remember that the dead weight is low, the splice is not putting up with 3.2 being swung through it. I kept the volume of willow in the blade to increase power, I think this will rival anything I've had before.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Cover_Drive on March 14, 2012, 04:34:13 PM
Looks brilliant in my opinion, I am liking this shape I must say.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Dan W on March 14, 2012, 04:34:58 PM
It's like a slightly less extreme L&W Ultra. Though my Ultra picks up pretty well tbf.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: petehosk on March 14, 2012, 04:37:52 PM
I did have a little swing with this bat and it's impressive!
The pick-up was a little heavier (as it logically would be!) but it is lighter than I would expect!
But with a decent grip on, it would pick up even better, so not too bad!
On a lower, slower wicket, this bat would be ideal and I have no hesitation whatsoever in thinking that it would be amazing!  8)

Or was that an identical bat I was admiring?
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 04:39:52 PM
Pete, you did indeed wave this about, needs a grip or 2 but it should be amazing, however you can have it free of charge when you reduce your collection to 0 bats, can you do it???
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Cover_Drive on March 14, 2012, 04:41:54 PM
Mike dare to make that deal with me pal ;) :D
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 04:43:46 PM
I would have if you hadn't have added the 2 smileys, they worry me....
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: petehosk on March 14, 2012, 04:44:14 PM
Pete, you did indeed wave this about, needs a grip or 2 but it should be amazing, however you can have it free of charge when you reduce your collection to 0 bats, can you do it???

You ask the impossible of me master!!!
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 04:45:33 PM
I thought I'd also add that this cleft would have been very cheap from the merchant, it has a flaw, anyone spot it?
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on March 14, 2012, 04:48:15 PM
I thought I'd also add that this cleft would have been very cheap from the merchant, it has a flaw, anyone spot it?

nope pics on my phone are tiny. can barely see a grain let alone a flaw.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: ajm90 on March 14, 2012, 04:50:11 PM
the brown line on edgethink its a false growth?  (not the heartwood)
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: tushar sehgal on March 14, 2012, 04:51:01 PM
Bat looks great but now i do have a question, forgive my poor attempt at drawing this but here it goes.

Could you possible create a couple of dips in the back toe area of the bat, lets say each worth an ounce or half that run up about 4-6 inches from the toe up, would that help with the pick up without compromising the strength/power of the bat too much...i thought abt doing this to one of my bats, they dont need to be big but rather small amount of wood reduced..

(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc453/tusharsehgal/untitled.jpg)
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: tushar sehgal on March 14, 2012, 04:52:49 PM
some sort of water damage on left hand side of the toe when looking at the face?
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 04:56:01 PM
Grooves in the way you have described would lower the weight and improve the balance but would weaken the area.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Cover_Drive on March 14, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
I thought I'd also add that this cleft would have been very cheap from the merchant, it has a flaw, anyone spot it?

On right edge (first picture), seems like a water damage.

Correct sir?
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: tushar sehgal on March 14, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
Grooves in the way you have described would lower the weight and improve the balance but would weaken the area.

Even if the grooves were really small, like may be 5-7mm deep? i guess it would
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: ajm90 on March 14, 2012, 05:05:27 PM
But if there were grooves in the toe wouldnt that reduce the volume of wood behind the toe and deaden the toe as well as weakening it? ???
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 05:06:58 PM
But if there were grooves in the toe wouldnt that reduce the volume of wood behind the toe and deaden the toe as well as weakening it? ???

It would, quite right.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 05:07:40 PM
I'll tell you when someone guesses right with regard to the flaw, keep guessing.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: ajm90 on March 14, 2012, 05:09:39 PM
damage to roots of tree early wood rot?
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: SkipperJ on March 14, 2012, 05:11:12 PM
I'll grip it at some point, 2.9 naked, would be 2.7 with standard blade, toe is 38mm thick so you get the idea of solidity...

Standard blade would've made it perfect for me. Although I would move the middle a bit higher and thin out the toe just a wee bit to improve pickup. Making it more of an all around bat.

When I first looked at the splice area, I too thought it was a bit weak. But with no imperfections in that area, should be just fine. Even more so for a standard blade, assuming the length of that thinnest part is reduced further ...

Is this a new shape from *that* batmaker? It's beginning to grow on me ...
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Cover_Drive on March 14, 2012, 05:11:57 PM
Since when did we start playing our shots from splice region É :D
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 05:12:42 PM
New shape from me.

I often engage the splice!!!
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: ajm90 on March 14, 2012, 05:14:08 PM
New shape from me.

I often engage the splice!!!

At least youre getting value for money using all of the bat  :)
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Perkins17 on March 14, 2012, 05:16:25 PM
not sure on the flaw but I would say it is either y2m or misc grade, shall look when I get home for the flaw.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: SkipperJ on March 14, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
Since when did we start playing our shots from splice region É :D

Don't you face any chin music? Seen many a bat crack in the shoulder region, right next to the splice ....
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: pedaloboy on March 14, 2012, 05:19:46 PM
I like the shape Mike. There are around 20 of us right now analysing each pic looking for the flaw, 6 inches from the screen!
I can't see anything that jumps out !
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Cover_Drive on March 14, 2012, 05:20:21 PM
Don't you face any chin music? Seen many a bat crack in the shoulder region, right next to the splice ....

I do! But I middle them  8) LOL just kidding ;)

I think a lot depends on the speed I have gotten ball hit on my Lavers splice around 75mph region and I was fine, no issues or anything.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Cover_Drive on March 14, 2012, 05:20:50 PM
Mike make a deal whoever spots the flaw gets the stick ;)
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 05:21:41 PM
The flaw is in the rear but you can see the shadow on the face...

Since I spotted the flaw first I'll keep the bat CD ;)
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Cover_Drive on March 14, 2012, 05:24:37 PM
I knew flaw would be on back mate, hence, no pictures :D ;)

Haha!
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: ajm90 on March 14, 2012, 05:28:27 PM
Butterfly stain/Bar stain
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: SkipperJ on March 14, 2012, 05:28:27 PM
New shape from me.

I often engage the splice!!!

Any reason other than strength why the toe is so thick? Of course this bat will pretty much never split at the toe, but do you think the trade-off on pickup is worth it?

Still trying to figure out the imperfection. Bat looks quite nice to me   ???
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 05:32:42 PM
You didn't want it to be easy did you???

Butterfly stain/Bar stain

Bingo, Butterfly stain, it goes through the middle but is clearly visible on the rear edge, can't help think that is a bonus for strength.

Toe is not really massively stronger for being so thick, it simply lowers the length of the sweet spot nearer the toe, the balance is not massively worse but you can feel the difference between this and one of my Fuji shapes at the same weight.
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: SkipperJ on March 14, 2012, 05:39:12 PM
Did you say butterfly stain clefts are a lot cheaper? Where do I sign up for one of these??

Would happily trade looks for performance, esp if it comes with a price cut :D
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: SkipperJ on March 14, 2012, 05:50:24 PM
Toe is not really massively stronger for being so thick, it simply lowers the length of the sweet spot nearer the toe, the balance is not massively worse but you can feel the difference between this and one of my Fuji shapes at the same weight.

Yeah, you're right. Because of the head-on shots, the toe just looks much bigger than it actually is. Sweet spot extending closer to the toe is great for straight bat shots, especially when it  comes to driving intended yorkers that land just a tad short ...
Title: Re: New Shape, Thoughts?
Post by: Talisman on March 14, 2012, 06:04:51 PM
The shape is simply a movement of this old one with the swell being lower, the splice does not look so thin at first glance but it was about the same thickness but the spine rises sooner in this shape.

Butterfly versions would have more pronounced stain but are cheaper and can always be made to order.

(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh132/camelotcricketer/276.jpg)