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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: tushar sehgal on March 15, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
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Hello,
I recently got me one of these and as soon as I looked at it i realized that the blade is not wide enough, its only 4 inches wide!! I know some of you have had or have these bats and was wondering if thats normal?
I got the bat from Jason (Cricket Store online) and messaged him, Jason was honest enough and Stated that he wasn't aware of it but I should check with Lekka so before I do that I thought about asking here. Considering that the bat ended up costing me a lot of money with shipping and import I am a little surprised and more than a little disappointed, i understand the 1 inch shorter blade and was aware of it but not for a bat that looks like a junior bat on steriods...
Your thoughts?
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is this the long handle short blade style of bat?
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Yeah mate, will get pics up when i get home...I was expecting a long handle, short blade but not long handle, short and narrow blade...
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They have always been that shape as it is a design feature.
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the width is sacrificed to get the volume of wood in the blade and bring it in at a reasonable weight still
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hmm ok so nothing unusual then? i assumed it would be standard width..oh well..glad i checked...
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hmm ok so nothing unusual then? i assumed it would be standard width..oh well..glad i checked...
It is unusual - in fact I think the Black Cat Joker is the only other bat I've heard do this?
Either way you should have been told and your retailer definitely should have been aware.
I think it's an awful design feature and would be fuming to be in your shoes!
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yes they are ment to be like this!
the lekka big hitter and the Joker are the same shape of bat
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yes they are ment to be like this!
the lekka big hitter and the Joker are the same shape of bat
What Simmy said. If you can get your hands on a Joker/Jester, you'll see they are exactly the same shape. If I remember correctly, they are a harrow size blade on a longer handle.
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Ok so one thing i should state is I was disappointed with the blade width but not with the entire bat, it took me by surprise and thought it must have been an error in bat making...but as is now clear that it is infact the standard shape to increase the size...
I did not want to call Lekka before i did my homework, which i dont think neccessary anyways but would have been nice to know in advance...also it would be nice if the description of the bats stated that these are also narrow blade..i cant remember if BC joker/jester say that either...
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Ok so one thing i should state is I was disappointed with the blade width but not with the entire bat, it took me by surprise and thought it must have been an error in bat making...but as is now clear that it is infact the standard shape to increase the size...
I did not want to call Lekka before i did my homework, which i dont think neccessary anyways but would have been nice to know in advance...also it would be nice if the description of the bats stated that these are also narrow blade..i cant remember if BC joker/jester say that either...
I think a few have commented on this aspect of the sales pitch for both bats. However, all of us who have used them have loved them. Took my Big Hitter to nets and the first reaction I got was "What the hell is that" as I pushed a ball back up the net and it flew off the bat. I really don't think the extra missing 0.5 inches makes any difference.
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The missing 0.5" makes a difference. Thick edges become thin edges. Feathered edges become misses. And the edges become bigger. There's a trade off to these bats with shorter blades, thinner blades or with reduced areas.
The reason it's not in the sales pitch is because it sounds negative. Making a blade thinner doesn't make sense when written down.
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I agree what could've been a thick edge now will go to the keeper but as is with anyother design there are benefits and drawbacks...looking forward to using it...will need to knock & oil it in first though as the wood looks fairly dry..
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Although Tom's point is fair, in matches i have never seen anyone caught behind or bowled using one of these. They have always been caught in the deep...
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The missing 0.5" makes a difference. Thick edges become thin edges. Feathered edges become misses. And the edges become bigger. There's a trade off to these bats with shorter blades, thinner blades or with reduced areas.
The reason it's not in the sales pitch is because it sounds negative. Making a blade thinner doesn't make sense when written down.
Actually Tom your argument defeats itself, the edge is no different no matter where it is, the width is reduced and so you would see a slight reduction in shot percentages hitting the bat but a rise in power from those that do. The shape works well and as quoted in the magazines last year it was referred to as the bat the Mongoose should have been. No marketing was thrown at it by Black Cat, the bat has done the talking pretty well on it's own
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It doesn't take a genius to work out that a thinner bat has disadvantages, otherwise we'd all be using middling bats.
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What about bats with shorter blades?
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Shorter blades is an interesting one, the length is to provide enough surface area to suitably score and defend the stumps.
Bats such as the Mongoose MMi3 have a notable disadvantage, particularly when it comes to defending the shorter ball . Bats such as the Uzi, CoR3 and Joker (length wise) have a minimal disadvantage, but also bring rewards - by way of putting extra wood in the blade.
Again it's all about trade offs. There's a trade off with a standard bat, shorter blade and thinner blade. It's about finding one that suits your style of play for that particular format.
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My main grumble has always been the marketing. At no point in the sales process is the bat width mentioned. The bat seems brilliant and there should always be a sales pitch, but at some point the buyer has to be made aware he isn't buying a full width bat ie. an adults bat . I think it's grounds for returning the item as it's not as described.
I raised the issue a year ago when I found out through this forum, nothing seems to have changed since. Go look at the blackcat website for any mention of the bat width.
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Shorter blades is an interesting one, as the aim with the length is to provide enough surface area to suitably score and defend.
Bats such as the Mongoose MMi3 have a notable disadvantage, particularly when it comes to defending the shorter ball . Bats such as the Uzi, CoR3 and Joker (length wise) have a minimal disadvantage, but also bring rewards - by way of putting extra wood in the blade.
So the MMI3 is a bust flush then...
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My main grumble has always been the marketing. At no point in the sales process is the bat width mentioned. The bat seems brilliant and there should always be a sales pitch, but at some point the buyer has to be made aware he isn't buying a full width bat ie. an adults bat . I think it's grounds for returning the item as it's not as described.
I raised the issue a year ago when I found out through this forum, nothing seems to have changed since.
Where is the quote that a bat is a certain width with anyone else, the design was based on all the bats that are also shaved down width wise to give the very same effect, a bigger edge with a lighter dead weight. There is a quoted maximum but no requirement to hit that limit.
Everyone will have their opinion but I think it works, I designed it.
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returning is not an option considering i paid for the bat + shipping + import...that would still leave me close to 100 GBP short
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So the MMI3 is a bust flush then...
The MMi3 is useful in certain situations and for a particular kind of player (which is a smaller demographic, than say a standard bat).
It's the same with any bat. There isn't a silver bullet. I've never said otherwise.
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The MMi3 is useful in certain situations and for a particular kind of player (which is a smaller demographic, than say a standard bat).
It's the same with any bat. There isn't a silver bullet. I've never said otherwise.
You can take the boy out of Mongoose but not Mongoose out of the boy!!!
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The MMi3 is great :D
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No matter how wide, long or short the bat is. All you have to do is hit the ball to the boundary. Simple!
Just my view :D
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The MMi3 is great :D
I think it is great against half volleys, nothing beats it.
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Where is the quote that a bat is a certain width with anyone else, the design was based on all the bats that are also shaved down width wise to give the very same effect, a bigger edge with a lighter dead weight. There is a quoted maximum but no requirement to hit that limit.
Everyone will have their opinion but I think it works, I designed it.
Don't doubt it works, I've not heard a bad word said about the joker/big hitter. I wouldn't be surprised if other bat makers do the same. However, my point is about sellers being transparent and I think this is a fail.
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I accept your viewpoint, but I think most don't actually notice.
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Where is the quote that a bat is a certain width with anyone else, the design was based on all the bats that are also shaved down width wise to give the very same effect, a bigger edge with a lighter dead weight. There is a quoted maximum but no requirement to hit that limit.
Everyone will have their opinion but I think it works, I designed it.
ok i do have a mmi and now also the lekka, gives you an idea of how i like to bat :), anyways regardless there is not doubt in my mind abt the benfits of lekka's design, i like it...
i think the point we trying to make is for someone like me, normal joe shmo, who is new or never been to the forum there is no way of finding that the blade is narrow...they talk abt it being shorter to give it more meat why not mention that for the width too...i mean i knew this was shorter blade and i was ok with it...i knew what mongoose is ll abtand i was happy with that too...narrow blade was surprise, felt a little cheated..thats all.
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returning is not an option considering i paid for the bat + shipping + import...that would still leave me close to 100 GBP short
What size did you buy it as?
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I accept your viewpoint, but I think most don't actually notice.
So you don't think they should declare the bat is a harrow width? Or are you being obstinate as it's your 'baby'?!
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It is reduced width for a very good reason, it allows the middle to be thicker and have better rebound. If 3mm off each edge is going to make the bat a problem to use then Yes it should be made aware to the buyer, but then should all the tricks of the trade be published?
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Unless my maths is wrong, we're only talking about a 7% reduction in width aren't we?
Surely can't make that much difference - especially if you are a proper batsman?
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What size did you buy it as?
Bat was promoted as an adult bat by Cricket store online and had a shorter blade, only thing we had ask for was weight which i asked for 2.11...
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Unless my maths is wrong, we're only talking about a 7% reduction in width aren't we?
Surely can't make that much difference - especially if you are a proper batsman?
Less, from 108mm to 102mm
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Bat was promoted as an adult bat by Cricket store online and had a shorter blade, only thing we had ask for was weight which i asked for 2.11...
If it was promoted at anytime as an SH then you will have grounds to return it.
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It is reduced width for a very good reason, it allows the middle to be thicker and have better rebound. If 3mm off each edge is going to make the bat a problem to use then Yes it should be made aware to the buyer, but then should all the tricks of the trade be published?
There's tricks of the trade and there's supplying different sized bats.
Let's face it, it's not a material amount of space, though would feel put out doing business with someone being deliberately disingenuous about the bat's size. Like dealing with a firm that doesn't tell you the real leather used in their gloves or sticker up blank bats with another manufacturers stickers.
End of the world? No. Are you likely to do business with them again or recommend them? No.
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I have to point to far worse tricks than a simple reduction in edge width. Having designed it I had nothing to do with the brands who used it and their selling.
As for using a fake leather in gloves you think that is on the same level. Stickering up bats with anothers labels is not one I see often, do you?
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Well some how this got more attention than i wanted, regardless here is the main character of this story next to the powerbow which is actually a bit bat too
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc453/tusharsehgal/Lekka/043.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc453/tusharsehgal/Lekka/044.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc453/tusharsehgal/Lekka/045.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc453/tusharsehgal/Lekka/046.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc453/tusharsehgal/Lekka/047.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc453/tusharsehgal/Lekka/048.jpg)
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc453/tusharsehgal/Lekka/049.jpg)
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That's huge! What's the edge size?
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Kashmir or Canadian willow?
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I'd hazard a guess that it feels like a trampoline when you bounce a ball off it?
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Looking at the face of this, I'd guess that it is of Pakistani origin.
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Looking at the face of this, I'd guess that it is of Pakistani origin.
Wise is this one...
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Should be 4" shouldn't it, even a size 4 is 4" wide!
[just had a bacon sandwich so on a bit of a high]
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It looks a different shape to the originals.
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It looks a different shape to the originals.
It is a different shape. It has an element of the Laver Ultra to the shoulders which wasn't there in the earlier versions.
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But I think it look a nice one.
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Haven't bounced a ball on it or mallet test, did not have the time and to be honest did not want to mark it in case i had to return it (Plus the mallet broke last weekend on a bulldog :o , so waiting for a new one to arrive)
Will measure the edge on it later today..does feel very light for the size..
After speaking with Jason i understand Lekka are coming out with some other newer designs too...not neccessarily for TPX but in general
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mallet broke
'kinell!
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Haven't bounced a ball on it or mallet test, did not have the time and to be honest did not want to mark it in case i had to return it (Plus the mallet broke last weekend on a bulldog :o , so waiting for a new one to arrive)
Will measure the edge on it later today..does feel very light for the size..
After speaking with Jason i understand Lekka are coming out with some other newer designs too...not neccessarily for TPX but in general
From what I recall, the standard bat is RDX in the UK market and Big Hitter is the Joker style one. TPX was always just a set of stickers that also got added. US branding may be different.
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From what I recall, the standard bat is RDX in the UK market and Big Hitter is the Joker style one. TPX was always just a set of stickers that also got added. US branding may be different.
Yeah they are calling big hitter TPX here...
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couldnt the reason why its so big for its weight is that half inch off or however much is missing
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couldnt the reason why its so big for its weight is that half inch off or however much is missing
this is precisely the reason why it is huge for its weight. It is a harrow sized blade at a mansize weight...
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did people know that it was a harrow sized blade or did they think they were getting an full sized blade as tushar did
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did people know that it was a harrow sized blade or did they think they were getting an full sized blade as tushar did
If you read the rest of the thread, you'll see that most people don't realise this. It is advertised as shorter blade but little mention is made of the narrower factor.
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I am wanting one of these style bats, either the Lekka Big Hitter or the Joker, from what I have read most people say they are as good as identical, the only real difference is the branding. Could you guys attest to that?
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Yeah i started reading it but forgot everything as soon I saw pictures of the bat. Personally it cant be too bad I imagine as it was supposed to made for the shorter format of the game but i think it should be still mentioned thats its narrower.
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black cat dont mention it either
http://www.blackcatcricket.com/#/joker/4549966421
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this is precisely the reason why it is huge for its weight. It is a harrow sized blade at a mansize weight...
It's actually a Size 5 blade, with a longer handle, at a mansize weight.
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I am wanting one of these style bats, either the Lekka Big Hitter or the Joker, from what I have read most people say they are as good as identical, the only real difference is the branding. Could you guys attest to that?
Ok so here is my experience:
1 - Bat is short (1-1.5inches) and Narrow (1/4 inches) blade. Which obviously means longer handle.
2 - Blade itself is significantly thick.
3 - Pick up is light, willow looks very dry (will need oiling on the exposed areas)
4 - 8-9 Straight grains but that would vary
5 - Made in pakistan (atleast thats my understanding)
6 - BC owners have comlained abt problems with Toe cracking
7 - BC Joker is now joker extreme and newer lower grade model is now jester
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Ok so here is my experience:
1 - Bat is short (1-1.5inches) and Narrow (1/4 inches) blade. Which obviously means longer handle.
2 - Blade itself is significantly thick.
3 - Pick up is light, willow looks very dry (will need oiling on the exposed areas)
4 - 8-9 Straight grains but that would vary
5 - Made in pakistan (atleast thats my understanding)
6 - BC owners have comlained abt problems with Toe cracking
7 - BC Joker is now joker extreme and newer lower grade model is now jester
BC Joker is still the Joker. Joker Extreme is the version weighing more than 2lb12oz and Jester is the lower Grade version.
Pakistan made bats tend to be drier than UK and Indian made bats, as a general statement.
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BC Joker is still the Joker. Joker Extreme is the version weighing more than 2lb12oz and Jester is the lower Grade version.
Oh ok thanks for correcting..
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also blackcats are UK made
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also blackcats are UK made
Oh yeah that too...
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Thanks for that. Hopefully a Joker will be heading my way on April 1st when I win the competition ;)
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Thanks for that. Hopefully a Joker will be heading my way on April 1st when I win the competition ;)
Unless they are giving away a 2nd prize I will be the only one with a joker on the 1st :)