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Title: Canes in pads
Post by: Buzz on April 26, 2012, 12:44:23 PM
since the start of pad making it appears that most pads have had cane to act as support or protection.

what other options are there? could you use plastic or something like that?

I appreciate that there are the aero or. Morrant offerings but I think more could be done on this area.

had anyone done any homework on this?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Talisman on April 26, 2012, 12:47:56 PM
Sealed Air.
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Joe on April 26, 2012, 12:48:51 PM
A.C.I.S Pads maybe?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Vic Nicholas on April 27, 2012, 03:17:21 AM
Sealed Air.

This is actually a great idea.

A variation of bubble wrap, but bigger cells. Put them inside a tradional looking pad facade and they would be the lightest pads around!!

That is a great concept...
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: straightdrive1 on April 27, 2012, 04:32:33 AM
This is actually a great idea.

A variation of bubble wrap, but bigger cells. Put them inside a tradional looking pad facade and they would be the lightest pads around!!

That is a great concept...

But what if the ball strikes the pads really hard & the bubble wrap pops?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Canners on April 27, 2012, 05:54:50 AM
Reebok pump pads?

thinking about it isnt ACIS the same principle as the reebok pump?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Kulli on April 27, 2012, 06:23:34 AM
This is actually a great idea.

A variation of bubble wrap, but bigger cells. Put them inside a tradional looking pad facade and they would be the lightest pads around!!

That is a great concept...

Wouldn't it also have a bit of a trampoline effect on the ball.
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Joe on April 27, 2012, 06:25:47 AM
Wouldn't it also have a bit of a trampoline effect on the ball.
Thin layer of HD foam in front of it maybe?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Canners on April 27, 2012, 06:40:46 AM
Wouldn't it also have a bit of a trampoline effect on the ball.
more value for your leg byes?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: neilcounter on April 27, 2012, 06:51:03 AM
since the start of pad making it appears that most pads have had cane to act as support or protection.

what other options are there? could you use plastic or something like that?



I appreciate that there are the aero or. Morrant offerings but I think more could be done on this area.
had anyone done any homework on this?

D3O perhaps???
In fact I thing Gunn and Moore now use this technology in some of their pads.
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on April 27, 2012, 06:52:12 AM
I have done some research into it previously by looking at using carbon fibre or fibreglass apex shaped canes to lighten the pads and give the structural strength still.

Air in another option we have looked at using but would require some RND investment to get samples up and running.

The "canes" in a set of pads I cut open were a piece of folded cardboard to form the apex and some garden cane cut to the same shape so not very technologically advanced considering the model of pad and price tag!

Everyone seems to band aboUt d3o on here but probably haven't seen it in sheet format to realise just how heavy it is let alone the expense of it.
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Buzz on April 27, 2012, 07:30:45 AM
I have done some research into it previously by looking at using carbon fibre or fibreglass apex shaped canes to lighten the pads and give the structural strength still.

Air in another option we have looked at using but would require some RND investment to get samples up and running.

The "canes" in a set of pads I cut open were a piece of folded cardboard to form the apex and some garden cane cut to the same shape so not very technologically advanced considering the model of pad and price tag!

Everyone seems to band aboUt d3o on here but probably haven't seen it in sheet format to realise just how heavy it is let alone the expense of it.
With the Air in the pads - I would see that as smaller versions of the "clappers" you get at sporting events - the issue would be getting them housed in an appropriate material and how to counter the loss of air over time (like tyres) would you have some form of pump?

The other option might be some form of "gel" filling for the tube rather than air - similar to what is used in shoes perhaps?

cardboard in pads - humm good job you didn't put them in the bath ;) !!
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on April 27, 2012, 07:33:25 AM
We looked a valves you would blow up via your mouth as this would be the easiest option to house and would be simple to inflate if they needed it. Similar to what's on a beachball etc :)

Would be a big ole pump otherwise or take a lot of pumping to fill them
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Ryan on April 27, 2012, 07:33:30 AM


cardboard in pads - humm good job you didn't put them in the bath ;) !!

LIKE haha  :D
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: The_Bird on April 27, 2012, 07:47:36 AM
Bubble wrap is my weakness, I can see them being a brilliant stress release when you get out but then you'd be left with a couple of flat pads....haha
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Ryan on April 27, 2012, 07:55:34 AM
haha, i can see that happening too lol
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: ammo on April 27, 2012, 11:28:07 AM
Cabon Fibre (thin inserts)?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on April 27, 2012, 11:36:31 AM
As i have got a quiet day at home waiting for the phone to ring i dug out some old pics etc...
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/tom_ayrtek/CIMG0531.jpg)(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/tom_ayrtek/CIMG0530.jpg)(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/tom_ayrtek/Untitled.jpg)(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/tom_ayrtek/fielderbladder.jpg)
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Talisman on April 27, 2012, 11:51:22 AM
I wish I'd taken pics of the ones I've cut up, some right old crap in them.
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on April 27, 2012, 11:52:26 AM
I particularly liked the use of the foil box in these!
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: johnnyw on April 27, 2012, 11:55:44 AM
Ill cut up a pair of solitaire pads later this afternoon and up load photos
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Talisman on April 27, 2012, 11:56:07 AM
They make the pad green with that level of recycling...
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: stevat on April 27, 2012, 12:04:19 PM
Wouldn't carbon fibre shatter on impact?  I know the stuff they use on football boots and such like is prone to snapping under extreme duress.

Kevlar too heavy.  Some sort of shock absorbant gel?  Coil springs like you get on a bed?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on April 27, 2012, 12:05:54 PM
Not if its made properly with a uni directional lay-up...otherwise we would have a lot of exploding helmets out there when being hit :(

Gels = heavy which isnt a desirable attribute to pads
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: stevat on April 27, 2012, 12:14:32 PM
Fair enough, foolishly I forgot you'd have expert knowledge in this area.  So can you form a carbon fibre pad without the same rigidity you'd have in a helmet?  Or would you need to add joints or use it minimally at key points of impact?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on April 27, 2012, 12:15:20 PM
You could make the canes out of CF as per the above images :)
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: johnnyw on April 27, 2012, 12:21:34 PM
I just cut up the pad and found cardboard, cane and foam. Whoever came up with the idea of soaking pads in the bath must be mad
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Cover_Drive on April 27, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
cardboard in pads - humm good job you didn't put them in the bath ;) !!

Unfortunately the only person to do that here is Mr. Cover_Drive *facepalm*
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Vic Nicholas on April 28, 2012, 02:36:12 AM
But what if the ball strikes the pads really hard & the bubble wrap pops?

Impossible for the bubble wrap to pop behind the facade. Even harder if you had a thin layer of foam in front of it.

Think of how hard you have to press to pop bubble wrap between your fore finger and thumb? A ball which has a bigger surface area striking the pad would have no hope of bursting a cell, let alone enough cells to make any difference to the pad.

Also, small pockets of bubble wrap would not bounce/rebound as much as foam etc.

There is alot of merit in this idea and with a little investment in design, I reckon the lightest pads ever could be made that would also have test level protection.

Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Simmy on April 28, 2012, 05:55:00 AM
tomtek is the guy to do it ;)

Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Buzz on April 28, 2012, 06:21:20 AM
the issue with the canes is that they also provide support for the pads. bubble wrap wouldn't do that.

I think there should be some more advanced ideas ideally.
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: ammo on April 28, 2012, 12:22:42 PM
Insted of carbon fibre I would use fibreglass might be heavier but less prone to breaking.
Or you could use Foam pads like the light weigh ones, Layer foam with the High quality bubble wrap which isn't supposed to pop(bubble wrap with a sheet of plastic on either side).
Or layer foam,bubble wrap, and reinforce with thin (5mm) rectangular sheets of carbon fibre or fibre glass (this would be towards the middle of the protection so it is less likely to shatter.
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: ajm90 on April 28, 2012, 12:49:42 PM
Would kevlar work in pads?
Title: Re: Canes in pads
Post by: Colesy on April 28, 2012, 03:01:48 PM
Central Reinforced Aluminium Composite