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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Red Ink Cricket on July 22, 2012, 10:31:10 AM

Title: Modern or traditional
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on July 22, 2012, 10:31:10 AM
Watching the test match and various other games you always hear the mention of the modern ' big bat'. Obviously pretty mixed reviews on here as to what we prefer as an individual. Just wondered do any current pros use the traditional style thin edged bats or because of the pressure to perform all use the larger more forgiving modern shapes? Any pics of the classics still in use would be good.
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Ryan on July 22, 2012, 11:05:43 AM
Personally I prefer the traditional style but that's just me. I used a modern bat last year that went very well though. I think there's a lot of bat envy in the county game so bigger the better, also helps with confidence looking down and seeing a big lump of wood.
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Canners on July 22, 2012, 11:10:22 AM
Broads bat has fairly thin edges but a massive spine
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: roco on July 22, 2012, 12:22:37 PM
Don't mind as long as its big
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Number4 on July 22, 2012, 12:37:42 PM
Let me ask this, Why do 99% of international batsmen use the modern "big bat" instead of the traditional shape? Surely they are there because they can perform and not because of a "forgiving" bat
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Kulli on July 22, 2012, 12:43:14 PM
Fashions and trends affect top level players too.
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Number4 on July 22, 2012, 12:44:58 PM
Fashions and trends affect top level players too.

All of them?
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: PM7 on July 22, 2012, 02:39:49 PM
Modern profile by a distance. I cant recall any present player using anything but a large profile.
Even Dravid who has always used a light bat was using a thick modern profile which probably weighed 2.7.
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Kulli on July 22, 2012, 06:25:15 PM
All of them?

I imagine so (presuming you mean all of the trends rather than all of the players)
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: arc1983 on July 22, 2012, 06:29:19 PM
it could just be my eyes, but KP seems to have a traditional profile with relatively smallish edges
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: MD2812 on July 22, 2012, 06:57:50 PM
I imagine there must be some input from the sponsors?

Big bats are trendy at the moment, and kids want the bat they see their idols doing well with whilst having big edges, no the bats they use may be slightly different to the profile of the one on the shelf, but they don't want it to be stupidly easy to see do they?

Pros also do use the edges of their bats whilst trying to middle the ball, look at Cooks 6 against SA this week
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on July 22, 2012, 09:24:45 PM
So is it a case that the pros like these bats or it's what they are given? Take in to account someone like bell. Rumour is that hawk make his bats. So does he go to them and say I want it big but light etcetc? Is the way the pros have their bats influencing the fewer traditional profile bats out there
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: tim2000s on July 22, 2012, 09:30:12 PM
Pros also do use the edges of their bats whilst trying to middle the ball, look at Cooks 6 against SA this week

But most don't use the middle of the edge, quite like that!
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: shazz on July 22, 2012, 09:41:52 PM
If anything, the pros would be where the 'modern' bat started, whereby it weighed almost nothing with huge edges. An ODI invention, transfered to tests.
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Mr Cricket on July 23, 2012, 09:35:23 PM
I championed the traditional bat for a long time but finally gave in recently and updated to a modern profile, times have changed, the modern bats are so advanced.
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: procricket on July 23, 2012, 09:40:18 PM
big edges over dried last about 10 games all day every day
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Canners on July 24, 2012, 12:06:09 PM
big edges over dried last about 10 games all day every day

What bats are you referring to Dave?
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: procricket on July 24, 2012, 12:18:51 PM
the midas bats i have been using and the ss ones i put in the airing cupboard and the gn that been in there for the last 8 weeks
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: tushar sehgal on July 24, 2012, 12:22:26 PM
I like them both...is the volume of wood...if i am going for a traditional shape i want a high spine, i would rather have a bat with small edges, no concaving and high spine instead of massive edges and loads of concaving...
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Chad on July 27, 2012, 12:12:38 PM
I like them both...is the volume of wood...if i am going for a traditional shape i want a high spine, i would rather have a bat with small edges, no concaving and high spine instead of massive edges and loads of concaving...

I agree with this! I don't like edges that are too thick, around 30mm is about max and they can be as small as the Mjolnir's, but they aren't important. I prefer very little or no concaving at all, but in the end, it's how well you know your bat and what shots you will score most of your runs with that is the most important. I have a big selection of bats and the ones with concaving are still nice (my best one is the one with lots of concaving and a high spine), but when using a traditional profile, I feel a little more consistency with my shots and timing. :)
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Bruce on July 27, 2012, 12:46:13 PM
You hear the commentators on Sky going on about ''the bats these lads use today, it's easy to hit boundrys, They're massive!'' (In a David Lloyd Lancastrian twang)
 Obviously this is a bit tounge in cheek and they know what Pro's have gone throught to get to the International arena. But they are all envious that they arent at the top of their game in todays game.
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Wide Chaser on July 27, 2012, 02:19:33 PM
It would be interesting to know how much input the pro has at the start of the bay making process... I'm sure they have some - being height of middle, weight and handle but do they advise on shape?

Or are they just given 10 bats and asked to pick their bunch /type following a net or 2?
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: ajmw89 on July 27, 2012, 02:27:44 PM
It would be interesting to know how much input the pro has at the start of the bay making process... I'm sure they have some - being height of middle, weight and handle but do they advise on shape?

Or are they just given 10 bats and asked to pick their bunch /type following a net or 2?

I should imagine it would depend on the maker.  I guess bigger companies would ship out 10 or so similar to any specifications, and they would choose from that.  The smaller manufacturers would probably get the player more involved right through the manufacturing process...
Title: Re: Modern or traditional
Post by: Tom on July 27, 2012, 03:00:17 PM
Depends on the level of the pro too, as to the service they get.

There isn't one thing every pro does. Some want to choose their cleft and see it made, some will meticulously sand their old bats and get every last run out of it, others will send a bat in to copy and others will just use anything you send them straight out of the wrapper.