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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Slab on May 14, 2009, 06:54:34 PM
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hi,
How much do you think this bat is worth? + grade
Help appreciated
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G2 £50
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i would say the same as tom, may get a little more as it looks in good condition
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G2 for certain, providing the profile is not a complete let down and the maker of the bat is half decent should fetch £70 i reckon
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Handle and squarish toe looks like that of a Pakistani manufacturer, AS or MB I'd say.
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Just out of interest - when having to grade a bat purely on cosmetics - what is it that you look for that would define it between grade 1,2 and 3?
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Handle and squarish toe looks like that of a Pakistani manufacturer, AS or MB I'd say.
make that 50/60 then if toms right
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Just out of interest - when having to grade a bat purely on cosmetics - what is it that you look for that would define it between grade 1,2 and 3?
direct from js wright and sons
-A Grade 1 Blade
A Grade 1 is the best looking blade money can buy, though it will not necessarily play the best. There may be some red wood evident on the edge of the bat. The grain on the face will be straight and there will be at least 4 grains visible. There may be the odd small knot in the edge or back but the playing area should be clean.
A Grade 2 Blade
A Grade 2 blade is also very good quality and normally a larger amount of red wood can be seen on the edge of a bat, this has no effect on the playing ability of the bat it is purely cosmetic. Again there will be at least 4 straight grains on the face of the bat with maybe some blemishes, pin knots or "speck" visible.
A Grade 3 Blade
This is the grade we produce and sell most of and it offers very good value for money. A Grade 3 Blade has up to half colour across the bat and is sometimes bleached, again this has no direct relation to the playing ability of the wood, it just has less visual attraction. There will be a minimum of 4 grains on the face of the bat which may not always be perfectly straight. Again some small knots or a little 'butterfly' stain may be present with perhaps more prominent "speck".
A Grade 4 Blade
A Grade 4 Blade is normally over half colour or contains butterfly stain (see our page on Imperfections in Willow). This wood is also normally bleached just to make it "look better", it will still play as well as the other grades. Any number of grains are possible and the willow containing 'butterfly' stain is very strong, there could also be more "speck".
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The real JS Wrights grading is a lot different and more complex to that.
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yes i've read it, but this is a simple insight into it and should answer sillyshillys question adequately
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cheers slogger - it's funny but if i saw a bat with 4 or 5 grains i wouldn't look twice, yet it could be grade 1. I only ask as i have seen a number of bats that would fit into the grade 1 category only to have people on this forum suggest it was grade 2 or 3. Curiously, they suggest that the cosmetic aspect is what makes it grade 1 rather than the performance, is this said to cover themselves do you think? Would you grade your bats that you make like this tom?
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I just look at a bat and say instantly what I think it is after a quick glance of the profile and grain. No real method about it because if I go and make rules about marks in the face, back or wherever I'm bound to find bats which are too beautiful to sell as G4's but under the rules they may be.
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that fair enough, i was just curious thats all and i suppose it gives the manufacturers a lot more chance to name their bats as grade 1 willow given what i would say were pretty low expectations.
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From that, on grains it would be G1 as G1 I believe qualifies to have at least 7 grains or something (correct me if i'm wrong, off top of my head). However, doesn't look like G1, grains aren't paticularly straight or evenly spread out and I would say that it's probably been imported because of the Squarish toe (mentioned previously) which is often done in Pakistan and then stickered by brands. Probably £85 for something like that I'd say, depending on profile. Hope this helps.
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CG is rite 7 grains is the minium of grains for grade 1
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5 is the minimum. Up to 10% of all G1's will have 5/6 grains. The rest will have 7+. G1 Specials will have 8+.
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Ur rite, checked on a website
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5 is borderline G1 - top of the range bats made in G1 should have at least 10 strain grains, evenly spread, whilst lower down G1s will have 5-8 straight/straightish grains. That bat qualifies for Grade 1 Willow, although the grains aren't straight. After all, it does depend massively on how it plays, after all it could go like a train and that'd be what would really make it worth it's money.
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I would say the bat was grade 3, It would be a 175 without problem.
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Thing is that JS Wrights grading system is really for bat makers isn't it? I mean most decent batmakers will only buy G1 and G2 from that list, anything else is bought by Slazenger and bleached!
For me G1 (if its actually G1 and there is not such thing as G1+) has straight grains and probably at least 6 of them, wish no blemishes. If the grains are straight then I don't think heartwood should effect the grade.
G2 is basically the same as G1 but with wonky grains running slightly diagonally sometimes, and perhaps a few blemishes - such as a knot - or a whole heap of heartwood with grains that are very irreguarly spaced.
G3 def has a knot or some kind of blemish, and probably not that many grains (eg less than 8-9)
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Thing is that JS Wrights grading system is really for bat makers isn't it? I mean most decent batmakers will only buy G1 and G2 from that list, anything else is bought by Slazenger and bleached!
For me G1 (if its actually G1 and there is not such thing as G1+) has straight grains and probably at least 6 of them, wish no blemishes. If the grains are straight then I don't think heartwood should effect the grade.
G2 is basically the same as G1 but with wonky grains running slightly diagonally sometimes, and perhaps a few blemishes - such as a knot - or a whole heap of heartwood with grains that are very irreguarly spaced.
G3 def has a knot or some kind of blemish, and probably not that many grains (eg less than 8-9)
I thought it had a knot at the bottom? Also from your description of G2 then I'd probably go with that definately now.
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Actually most batmakers buy grades 2/3/4 and lower and just upgrade them when selling, very few bother with grade 1.
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I would say that was g1 but not sure , the price would depend on the size :S