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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: alexhilly1492 on September 05, 2012, 01:39:56 PM
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After watching the last few series with Ravi Bopara in england i cannot help notice he hasn't got the volume of runs the best batsmen in the england side has got especially in this series (vs South Africa) scores of 6 16 and 0 I believe, they just aren't good enough when the are the likes of Johnny Bairstow, James Taylor and Luke Wright all getting decent scores this season in county cricket on the pro40.
Luke Wright would be in the side for me without a doubt on this seasons form and has never imo been given the chance he deserves, he also provides a better bowling option than Bopara.
what are your opinions?
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No. Agree with Warne
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Also why not have Prior in? He's in great form and can play just as a batsman
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Bopara would be better off playing as a bowler the way he's been batting. His bowlings been good but that's due to conditions, I think it's time to bring someone fresh in, who can bat in international games. Luke wright is a good shout always like him.
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No.
no further comment needed!
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Is this the same Ravi Bopara who averaged 91 against Australia??
on Prior... http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/05/the-spin-matt-prior-craig-kieswetter
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Bopara is another Ramprakash IMO. He has all the talent in the world, jst not mentally tough enough
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i agree with you colesy matt prior should be in the side not keiswetter, however keiswetter has not done a lot wrong so i cant see the selectors changing that!!
i think prior would walk into most odi sides on batting alone in his current test match form, england are on a real loss there (odi's anyway)
at least the bowlers are doing a decent job at the moment, but tim bresnan should be in the side instead of stuart broad but again broad hasnt done alot wrong!!
only one weak link in this england side
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I don't think Kieswetter should be dropped, just saying Prior, whilst in top form, should be included as a batsman
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I think he is good enough! But he is short of confidence and I think he should have been released to go back to County to rebuild his confidence and get his head sorted!
It was crazy batting him at 3 at the moment!!
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aah sorry misinterpreted that, yeah plenty of depth in english cricket :D
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Maybe I'm biased as bopara is a friend .
But bopara has more talent than probably any of us on this forum ,
We were not all slating him when he was doing a fab job against the Aussies earlier this summer .
Bare in mind it has never come to light why he was not playing cricket .
May I also state that he did not declare he wanted to play for England again this summer the ecb chose him .
I don't think any of us would do any better under the current situation he I goin through
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Bopara is another Ramprakash IMO. He has all the talent in the world, jst not mentally tough enough
Ramps was too intense.
Ravi seems to have the Magic Roundabout playing in his head.
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I don't think we're comparing him to us saying he's not talented or similar. Just don't think he's good enough when compared to other international/county players
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I think he's good enough, but I also think he's in the unenviable position of feeling that his is the place most vulnerable to selection, which can't help. It isn't so long ago that Ian Bell was under this sort of scrutiny. I think that whatever level you play at, it's worth bearing in mind, that you are only ever one ball away from getting out, and only one knock away from posting a score.
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I would have selected prior.. But for today im glad they did not :D
Much better bats in england than Bopara... Im starting to think that maybe its time to look for a new coach who will make the changes that we can all see need to be made.. ??? ???
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Im starting to think that maybe its time to look for a new coach who will make the changes that we can all see need to be made.. ??? ???
hahahah spot the Saffa in the room!!
I think that isn't really the best move - sack one of the three best coaches in the game, humm sensible...
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Im starting to think that maybe its time to look for a new coach who will make the changes that we can all see need to be made.. ??? ???
Do the coaches really have much say when I comes to selection though?
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I would have thought the skipper & coach would have a majority say who plays. With regards flower going might have jumped the gun a little... just a wee bit :-[
Could it be bopara might just be going through a slump in form and we all know what that is like.
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I dont think he's a No3 batsman full stop. I'd much prefer to see him come in the middle order - he's an exceptional batsman on his day and can win games for you in the middle order.
However it has shown that he is not great against top quality seam bowling and I believe he should be dropped, or play instead of samit patel in that cameo role bowling 10 overs when the wicket suits him.
I would prefer to see the likes of Wright be given a chance, never really had a great chance for england and has performed all over the world and is very much a one day specialist.
With regards to Prior, his record for ODI's speak for itself - shocking. I believe he would be very lucky if he was given another chance - He gets himself out too easily and tries to play way too many big shots, therefore his record is poor and always will be unless he changes his game to play how he does in the test arena.
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Very good point about where in the order to bat him. I always think No. 3 is the toughest position unless both openers have done really well. The bowlers should have found their rhythm and they've just got a wicket (unless it's a daft run out) when you come in, so there's a lot of responsibility.
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You have to pick your form players when they are scoring runs. Bopara hasnt and isnt on current form
If they arent in any great nick then why pick them, thats what the county game is for to step them back into it to regain some runs and build up their confidence again.
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You have to pick your form players when they are scoring runs. Bopara hasnt and isnt on current form
If they arent in any great nick then why pick them, thats what the county game is for to step them back into it to regain some runs and build up their confidence again.
Too right young Tom!
RB has talent ok, and has been bowling really well, so either play him in an all-rounders position or send him back to County so that he can sort himself out. And if he hits form again, then job done! ;)
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No, pick anyone of the upcoming youngsters from the county game and they will contribute more with the bat.
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There no doubt his ability but he seems very soft centred with too much going onion his head
Good player in our best eleven not right now he ain't
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And that is the point.....if he's not in our top 11 at the mo, then why risk playing him?
It's a risk to him and to the team.
I suspect that he will be a improved player on better form next season though......
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Herein lies the problem though. Luke Wright has also been found (extremely) wanting on the international stage. I think it's a tough one right now.
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My opinion is that Ravi Bopara is not good enough for International Cricket because he has been given so many chances but yet only performed well in a number of matches, he did extremely well against Australia recently. He may be a good county player but will never be a Test player and I would keep him as cover for injuries in the sqaud for ODI as he is versatile but I would rather younger players be given their chances.
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Despite what your saying who are the younger players you talk of
I think it where England struggle there not that much back up even the youth
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not good enough for international cricket in my opinion and has himself to blame and he will be dropped soon never to return ? i could be wrong like.
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younger players like bairstow (should be more of a regular) james taylor, james vince, joe root, adam lyth, alex hales, jos buttler and ben stokes.
i know some have already been given chances some have taken in t20's some haven't had mch of a chance yet, but even with just the names there, it isnt a bad batting line-up at all!!
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He is our Shane Watson. Give him time and he'll come good. He was beginning to establish himself, playing really well against Australia, until his 'personal issues' messed with his head.
England is very light on middle order batsmen who can bowl a bit in County cricket. Who would you pick?
#3 is a tad high though, I'd have gone for Fat Sam.
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He's crap. Should have had Bairstow in instead
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younger players like bairstow (should be more of a regular) james taylor, james vince, joe root, adam lyth, alex hales, jos buttler and ben stokes.
i know some have already been given chances some have taken in t20's some haven't had mch of a chance yet, but even with just the names there, it isnt a bad batting line-up at all!!
Not many there are good enough in all forms
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I'd like to see a bit more of Alex Hales.....he could be a decent shout....I appreciate he doesn't bowl but is Ravi Bopara really being selected for his bowling? (As good as it has been in this series)
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Partly, I'd say. Gives Cook options if one of his front five get tap.
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Well, if that's the case then who else can bat in the middle order and bowl???
Errrmmmm............................Coles at Kent? OOOOH! Liam Dawson!! :D
Peter Trego? :D
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Stokes!
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I like Ravi and think he is brilliant, very talented batsman and has a lot of potential. He just doesnt look like he's concentrating. This is very true:
Ravi seems to have the Magic Roundabout playing in his head.
Luke Wright has never performed for England he is Ravi lite (if there is such a thing)
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Putting it simply, no.
Luke Wright should be given another chance.
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Stokes!
Not a bad shout! Is he ever fit though?
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I guess trott could bowl those extra overs, but I would pick genuine firepower in the bowling department, so that most of the overs were bowled by frontline bowlers. Eg, Finn, anderson, dernbach, swann, (Patel) (Taylor) (panasar), depending on required balance and opposition, England get over technical with there bowling changes and are too formulaic, therefore if we are going to be predoctable, at least use our best bowlers!
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I guess trott could bowl those extra overs, but I would pick genuine firepower in the bowling department, so that most of the overs were bowled by frontline bowlers. Eg, Finn, anderson, dernbach, swann, (Patel) (Taylor) (panasar), depending on required balance and opposition, England get over technical with there bowling changes and are too formulaic, therefore if we are going to be predoctable, at least use our best bowlers!
Really? You think? It was fascinating watching the bowling changes at Lord's. All the teams seem to bring on at least one quick in the powerplays, in fact they almost pick specific powerplay bowlers. Then they bowl the other bowlers in random, short spells in order to get wickets by unsettling the batsmen. I certainly wouldn't have predicted the three stints Tredwell was used for to get his three stumpings. What I also thought was that with the bowling line up they used, formulaic wasn't really an option. I think the only thing you can guarantee is who will open and close the innings, but you could say that for all teams.
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6 off 11 in a t20, with luke wright and michael lumb sat on the bench, selectors not doing england any favours in my opinion
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Wright has been in good touch, and has proven he can score big in T20's. Bopara has never made the cut and is a waste of time.
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Wright has been in good touch, and has proven he can score big in T20's. Bopara has never made the cut and is a waste of time.
"Waste of time" I think that's a little too strongly worded...
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Don't think Bopara has ever been good enough. Get Cook and Trott in , they are our best players. SA do it with Kallis and Amla. Also get KP back quick and we have a decent side again.
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To many going on upstairs for me with bopara he looks very fragile
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Not good enough and never will be - time to get someone mentally stronger in for my book...
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I think he's mentally shot. Could see it written all over his face after his dismissal yesterday.
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As people have mentioned there is too much self doubt - I don't think Bopara himself believes he is good enough no matter what he might say in interviews.
Bopara is talented but I don't think he is mentally in the right place at the moment and I'm not sure he ever will be, it would be better for England to give someone else a go.
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Bopara also has a bit of a prima donna thing going on - there always sems to be areason why he can't perform to the expected standard whether it was being asked to bat too high int he Ahses or "personal issues" keeping him from the game. Second only to Samit "Just the three pies for me please" Patel in the unprofessional cricketers stakes...
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With Pitersen as one of his close buddies he just might have picked up some bad habits and I dont mean his batting.
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Every guy at the top has an ego. lets face it if they didn't have an ego they properly wouldnt have got to the top. its just form is hard to hold for a long period of time abduction external factors affect your game play. sometimes being played one out of 4games will mean that your one game is a shocker. but they all have the skill to pull oit out of the bag.
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They really need to give Bopara some time to get his head together!
If they know he had some problems going on and his head has been elsewhere, why are they still playing the guy! He needs time off to get himself sorted and then rebuild next season!