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Companies => B3 Cricket => Custom companies => B3 Cricket => Topic started by: procricket on September 15, 2012, 01:59:13 PM
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Well after 2 weeks of me hounding them and them to be honest keeping me in the loop with everything here it is.
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SHAPE
Well this is where it started i asked for
Profile 3
edge 6
spine 1
I got what i asked for after a few years of using Laver there old special profile i wanted something along the same lines and the B3 boys delivered it to me.
I have a strange alinement thing and can instantly tell if a bat will suit or not this will suit my needs and is the shape i wanted and got...
PICK UP
Well after the video where Blathers showed it me and said it was a tad bottom heavy i picked it up and agree but it is how i like my bats and it as envisaged when i ordered the bat.
The pick up is very good indeed this is heavier than i normally use at 2lb 9oz but after talking to the guys at B3 this is what i asked for and to be honest it is balanced very well for me because the difference from my normal 2lb 6-7oz and this is marginal.
LOOKS
Well i asked for no heartwood and got none on the face not a blemish in sight as i would have expected from a grade 1 cricket bat at this cost.
It has 9 evenly spaced grains which is about the normal for my bats i did not specify this though as not a grain lover if honest
. Stickers are different and i love the freshness of them they look really striking to me and stand out from a lot of others.
On looks alone and looks do not make a bat it is a belter.
The finish well this is the only minus about the bat it is not bad but it is a area they themselves and i know it something there working onbut they where honest about this before they sent me the bat but to me a finish is all and fair and well but after time all bats end up the same but a better finish would have topped the initial product off.
CUSTOMER SERVICE
Micheal Blatherwick was a gentleman to deal with and i got the feeling you where dealing with a mate when talking about cricket bats( and boy can i talk). The all round company has a mates feeling about it not a cold buy and go service which i personally find a great touch you feel involved at every stage and i hope they continue to do this as they get busier and busier
as for me there to much cloak and dagger in the industry or seems to be from a outsider looking in.
I even talked about other bat makers to them and they were complimentary to them in a very good way and at no time did they give the we are better than anybody they just told me what they offer and of we went.
PERFORMANCE
Before you all jump on the bandwagon the people who know me know i will run 3 tests of the bat.
1.Bowling machine with bola balls
2.Fielding machine with new/nealy new cricket Balls
3.Match
I received the bat this morning and can tell the coverage of the middle is bigger than normal with the mallet so in the pre test state i know it is a very good bat and very well pressed indeed the responce is impressive indeed and the middle is large.
This section will get updated as i continue to test the bat but as we speak i'am very happy with the bat even though i paid a little more than i normally do for a top grade bat but so far so good.
Experience has i feel allowed me to get a feel for a really good bat early and i have that feeling about this bat similar to the one i got when i used my trusty Laver And Wood Private Bin which was used for 5 years and i get the feeling this will be my number 1 bat for some time to come.
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More to follow tomorrow when on the bowling machine sorry about my grammar and spelling never a strong point i hope you get the impression of the review though.
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More to follow tomorrow when on the bowling machine sorry about my grammar and spelling never a strong point i hope you get the impression of the review though.
I dunno mate, read really well to me! Looks a very nice shape pal!
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Do you just go straight on the machine without knocking the bat in ?
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Looks a stonking bat Dave. Look forward to how it goes in the tests
And your grammar/spelling has improved greatly.
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PS, that box looks massive for 1 bat!
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Looks a nice enough shape Dave. Have to say that in your photos the stickers look a whole lot better than they do on the website. Hope it plays as well as it looks.
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Hope the bat gets you thousands of runs and as said before, grammar has improved tremendously over previous posts, didn't notice much wrong with it at all!
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Looks great mate, very chunky for 2.9
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That's a fair ol' chunk of wood, really nice face as I know you're not a grain fanatic like me that wants 25+ grains haha. Hope it goes well mate.
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Same red type handle springs/rubber is gm use the spring in the willow is outstanding looking forward to using it
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Not sure if anybody is interested with it not being a forum sponsor but here goes..
Bola Net
Well it played well pick up was as expected a tad heavier than i'am used to being 2lb 90z but got to grips with it and it played very well indeed the profile helped my smallness and with the higher middle found it easier playing on the up was good on the back foot and went generally well but then again i expect most do with that type of bola machine balls.
Reader Test Balls around 50 overs old on the fielding machine was the real ice breaker and the reason in the end i desided to risk the bat in my last game of the season after my pb broke.
I had 2 buckets on half volleys and the bat response was super it really was but once again i expect as such but the real test was the shorter ball higher up the bat the middle is longer than most of my other bats due to the design and the quality of the pressing and the willow quality.
Match
Well was on 12 when my old trusty broke so i called for another bat the brought out my spares and i plumped up for the B3 and it did not fail to deliver in the 3 balls it faced with one flying over long off for 6 second ball before victory under our bag.
Now i know it was me that hit the shot but boy did it fly and to me i have found something special which is my match bat for sure next season no matter what i pick up over the winter.
I know we do not see many bad reviews on here and i guess nobody like the thought of money down the drain but i'am genuinely very happy with this bat and the whole process that went with it was it worth the money, yes i think it was with bats getting more and more expensive £277 delivered for a top of the range bat is not a bad coupe combined with it shaped to what i wanted not bad at all and it is after all bat number 1 so i guess i was always onto a winner.
My final thoughts are this i know there never going to be a lot of difference between most makers top bats but i feel B3 have a very good niche in the market and in time could turn out to become a very big company and i hope they keep there open"ness" about the process because it is a selling factor for me i like a good yarn when buying a bat.
Although not handcrafted from start to finish i would but this up against any handmade bat i have maybe not the pb quite yet but that took time to mature i guess after maybe 50 overs through it on machines and the game although 3 balls i very happy with my purchase.
Sorry if i rant on just trying sharing my experience sorry for my grammar and spelling.
Possible video of me netting to follow
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Personality and passion shines through, mate.
Glad you've got a keeper. :)
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Best get those shoulders pinned Dave. Glad it's going well so far. Shame the seasons over.
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Sounds like a good bat, stickers don't really do it for me but exactly the type of cleft I'd be after not too many grains and no heartwood!
On another note can you tell me what this fielding machine is please? Slightly confused!
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It a hockey machine with slightly tuffer spinners it is a bola which fires real balls at you..
It speed goes up to the other machine we have but it a bit more random and it how i test my bats..
Yep right amount of grains and not a flicker of a colour on the face how it should be a proper grade 1 in all aspects.
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Just realised they took my sticker idea having the carbon fibre effect as the background colour :(
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Looks really nice, I really like the stickers, personally, think the branding is good and stands out. Can understand why it picks up a bit heavy as it looks very bottom-heavy!
Am I right in thinking that the middle is much bigger as a result of the offset edge and spine?
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Looks like a nice stick, I think their branding suits their company in very much a 'mechanic' way. Nice shape on the bat to be honest, the toe area looks quite flat - looks similar to a solitaire I had a couple of years back. Would be interested in seeing some more possible shapes of them - it would be beneficial for them to show 'real-life' images of the all possibilities of the bats they can produce.
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Dave how does it compare to top end GM's? is the pressing and playability similar? thanks in advance :)
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Just realised they took my sticker idea having the carbon fibre effect as the background colour :(
no disrespct colsey lad but i am sure most people have thought about this as everybody loves carbon fibre
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Had a solitaire it is different to that I choose this shape because it respbled the old laver special profile I love
Look on twitter they have many photos of other bat shapes
There is on all about 2800 different combinations I believe
Yes they have a gm feel to them although I was never a big fm user
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There is on all about 2800 different combinations I believe
2,800? Where do they get that from? Unless they are talking about blade in combination with weight and handle...
4 profiles, 6 edges and 6 spines gives you 144 shapes. Then you'd be using handle length, handle shape and weight to make up the rest of those 2,800 combinations. If Vantage offered their two profiles in Round and Oval handle, with LH and SH, at 13 weights, they could be said to have 104 combinations...
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2,800? Where do they get that from? Unless they are talking about blade in combination with weight and handle...
4 profiles, 6 edges and 6 spines gives you 144 shapes. Then you'd be using handle length, handle shape and weight to make up the rest of those 2,800 combinations. If Vantage offered their two profiles in Round and Oval handle, with LH and SH, at 13 weights, they could be said to have 104 combinations...
" There’s over 120 varieties of shapes and if you include weights, grades and handle shapes there’s over 28080 different bat possibilities available "
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What the equation it is more than Tim said though
The permutations are more than a basic 4x6x6
Tom knows the amount they have available
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That quote is from toms blog.
Tim is correct, 144 different profile combinations, but when you take in weight, handle, grade etc, there's 28080 different possibilities.
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Sorry bud hey guess what your old kippax is my lightweight option now
Not including the bespoke option
I quite happy with it indeed
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What's the kippax weighing now with the new handle?
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Tim is correct, 144 different profile combinations, but when you take in weight, handle, grade etc, there's 28080 different possibilities.
Which is quite funny really, as it's all marketing.
Take any of the custom makers on here and you'd be able to validly create a case that they have thousands of combinations. It's simply the psychology of machinisation that presents the opportunity to suggest that you have all these, and the nouse to notice that no-one else has yet used this marketing ploy!
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It wasn't a marketing ploy, it was just my observation of the number of possibilities.
I don't think B3 have ever marketed that.
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I sense negativity towards the brand
Maybe If they where forum sponsors people reaction would be different
Oh well I like my bat hope it plays well
Just under 2lb 7oz the kippax now weights.
Has this forum gone so sponsored orientated that other bats are not even allowed to be spoken off
I'm doubt it's that, due to many brands such as M+H, GM etc always getting good things spoken about them.
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I think I will keep my words to myself about what I think about things
Oh no I will not it is a forum after allr
What the hell had marketing got to do with my 1 bat I bought from them
Tim good for the forum sponsors custom makers who can make any shape they like i was not talking about them in this thead are the mods here for the user or sponsor only
This thread is about 1 b3 cricket bat I bought because I never had a machine made bat or to my limited intelligence have not
I like it yes
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Dave, I was simply commenting on the discussion about the number of combinations, thinking it was part of the marketing material that B3 had created, as it was mentioned in this thread. As Tom has pointed out, this isn't the case. I was grabbing individual brands as examples (as using GM came up with far larger numbers!). I certainly wasn't suggesting that you should be using a sponsor.
I can't justify spending the money on one of these, however I'd love to see one on the go as I'd like to see how it compares to GM which use a similar process. What I think would be really interesting is to provide an upload service where you could use your own 3D software to create a bat shape for you, and get it converted to a CNC path and created, as per the bespoke service and cost. I wonder whether it will happen, as there are enough people on here who would love it!
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What I think would be really interesting is to provide an upload service where you could use your own 3D software to create a bat shape for you, and get it converted to a CNC path and created, as per the bespoke service and cost. I wonder whether it will happen, as there are enough people on here who would love it!
Pretty sure you already can do that, email them your desired photo/profile/paint drawing and they'll call you on Skype to discuss it, and share screens so you can create a profile together.
That comes under the Bespoke service. And is what I'm doing in a couple of weeks time.
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I think the clever thing with B3 is they let you create any of these combinations through the website ie. putting you in control of the design process. I'd like to think they will extend the number of designs upwards of the 144 combinations mentioned once they get feedback on the custom bat orders. I wonder how much cloning of favourite bats will go on?
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I'm not sure what this thread has become :o
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no neither do i
a few more profiles if anybody is interested
http://www.facebook.com/B3Cricket?ref=stream
db2 looks great if i had my choice again i would pick that one
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Bit of banter got to love it
Even on tempted by one of these with reviews like this
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all of these B3 bats look like excellent pieces of willow, not a fault on any of the faces.
what is the performance like .... not overpressed rock hard things are they?
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no mate it is not it quite spongy not to soft but certainly not to hard either
There much softly pressed than Laver but i rate lavers
Leaves little seam marks but the performance is great mate
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i must say every bat looks like a bat you would see out in the middle in a pro match
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It getting better and better is my b3 custom it just feel right
I hear a couple of forum members are getting a couple I love the clefts offered
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It getting better and better is my b3 custom it just feel right
I hear a couple of forum members are getting a couple I love the clefts offered
I ought to be good that shape
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Lovely shape glad I chose it as it being custom
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Glad it's opening up as looks a beauty
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It started good mate and has got better and better as Good as any custom bat I have had including my 2 favourite makers
The machine makers sure do program a good bat I bought by the machine made
The bat is so responsive
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After meeting streaky its obvious he knows his stuff and look forward to seeing more
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Yes but there russ and blathers as well
Overall this brand has caught my imagination hope the softs that are coming will be as good
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Lovely shape glad I chose it as it being custom
If you chose from a predefined edge profile and spine then that isnt a custom shape...
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Well it is what I chose mate for the options and I guess it is custom for the shapes there offering.
I chose what edges and what spine I wanted does that not count
Are you saying this shape is one of yours.....
All I know is it is one hell of a bat
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Seems custom as yes set options but your own combination of those options makes it your bat so custom not that much different to ordering a bat and saying I want edges like this spine like this etc
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there is an implication that this bat has similarities to a hadies...
which to my eyes are undeniable.
the hadies I tried last night was wonderful as was the other one, of Marcus'. A truly splendid shape.
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What's similar the offset edges?
This looks bigger than hades I've seen
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My view is that you have chosen one of roughly 150 shapes pre programmed into the cnc, so while it's the shape you choose it isn't exactly custom. I Guess the more important thing is that it sounds like it fits you well and is a beauty. That's what counts in my book.
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Exactly Tim
The idea of custom seems very tomato tomarto to me if its what you choose and not standard (there series bats) then it's custom just like asking a maker to alter his set shapes
If its chosen from roughly 150 combinations how many shapes are really out there to use if you go to a maker
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Well the way I look at it is I wanted this shape and got it so in my eyes it is custom
Remember though Tim the machine can make any shape
Your right though it does fit me and I love it
Bit more curve on the bottom of the edge than the hades and I think slightly more wood removed from the top as well and put into the area that matter
Off set edges apart I see no similarities sorry
It was custom because there stock shapes are different and it what I asked for
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I love this bat, my only issue is with the price! If I'm paying a batmaker for his time and skill then I expect to pay a premium for it. I really don't see why I should pay a premium price for someone to flick a switch on a machine and go off and have a cup of tea. I can't see where they've got this pricing structure from. They don't have to do anything other than put the cleft in a machine and yet they're charging the thick end of £200 for the pleasure of owning one? I don't get it......
I'd have one like a shot if they were sensible money though... :D
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I love this bat, my only issue is with the price! If I'm paying a batmaker for his time and skill then I expect to pay a premium for it. I really don't see why I should pay a premium price for someone to flick a switch on a machine and go off and have a cup of tea. I can't see where they've got this pricing structure from. They don't have to do anything other than put the cleft in a machine and yet they're charging the thick end of £200 for the pleasure of owning one? I don't get it......
I'd have one like a shot if they were sensible money though... :D
Pricing? I suspect GM is a model.
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Well Iam happy and there worth there money to me and pedals you know roughly the price I do pay for my custom bats a another very good handmaker
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I love this bat, my only issue is with the price! If I'm paying a batmaker for his time and skill then I expect to pay a premium for it. I really don't see why I should pay a premium price for someone to flick a switch on a machine and go off and have a cup of tea. I can't see where they've got this pricing structure from. They don't have to do anything other than put the cleft in a machine and yet they're charging the thick end of £200 for the pleasure of owning one? I don't get it......
I'd have one like a shot if they were sensible money though... :D
How much do/would you pay for a TK made bat from the many who use him on the forum?
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I thought that but wasn't 100% sure they were.
I can see both points that the bat was specified to how Dave wanted it using a shape he was happy with, but can also see how they are pre-set shapes. But surely even hand crafting batmakers who make custom bats for people will create the same shape over time?
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disregarding the fact the shape is very familiar regardless of the size... but let say for arguments sake you have just started a company and you know that a bat will be reviewed so you maybe think I will choose a cleft whose starting weight will be light and nice grains.... or should a choose a standard cleft and standard grains for this bat... ...
That said the custom bit
I dont see how a predefined shape that has been run through a CNC machine and therefore made before to see if it is doable on the machine is a custom bat, in my view it isn't it is a stock shape.... If you create a completely new shape that wasn't predefined that is custom.... that is something new for you...
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Had that many times Andy I have had my bat made in front of me to my exact detail
That was custom.
I had a shape I wanted in my head for my new bat I saw what they offered interns of customisation I had versions choices but it was custom made to what I asked for interns of edge spine and profile so yes it is custom to what I asked for weather it looked like another bat or not.
I see it like a blender mate they customised my bat for what I asked for like you would a smoothie
But if you want something unique they offer a different taste that tast is bespoke and you can tell them what you want in ever detail
90 per cent of all custom made bats are Infact copies as you know of one thing or another
this bat was based on my laver pb bar the off set edges and I choose it that way
I think all ideas of bats are hybrids.
But they have 3 set models then I call it customisation to the customer then the truly special bespoke the machine can make anything you want it to
And I can assure you the bat is a standard top of the range bat they make
All I know is I the 300 overs or so I have faced using this bats in the nets indoor the bat is great and my new bat I will Elbe using next season
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For me - this looks a wonderful bat and it is good enough to be called a custom bat - you have chosen the weight, shape, cleft, handle shape - the fact that there are a limit to the number of choices you can have is a moot point but if I said I have a custom bat from say Laver and Wood in the Ultra shape - surely that is the same...
now as for the similarities to the hades... humm two differnent hand made versions are below to compare. You decide... personally I think that you have a fabulous looking bat Dave and if you change your mind about it's qualities there will be many willing buyers on here!!
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So much more goes into one of these than pressing a button the time it takes to program a shape is longer that to make a bat by hand it's just that once its made you can tweak easier than handmade who has to start from scratch again
The tech and effort that goes into one of these is really a lot more than most people think and the kind of accuracy they have is fantastic as you get exactly what you ask for in terms of size and shape as the computer model matches the shape you've asked for to a willow density so they can look for a density of willow around that and match your specs bang on or better then which is pretty good if you ask me and well worth the same as other are charging to just put a sticker on a tk made bat
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The offset edges make it look same but i did not know that was an exclusive thing to saf unless I'm mistaken nothing against them but if you put a lot of bats on here side by side they will look very similar I think even though there different makes as only so many shapes in world really
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It all depends on your model really. A Good modeller will parameterise the appropriate dimensions allowing swift modification of the design in order to generate the paths. It takes a huge amount of time out.
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Yes I agree you can tweak paths on shapes but to design a new shape the designer will start from scratch but as in my programming it gets easier and quicker more you do it is have thought same for pod shavers
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To be honest, I think 150 shapes is as many or more than a batmaker will actually make. Most custom bats I have seen are basically one of two stock shapes with bigger edges or thinner edges and then a higher or lower middle. If you look at most the Laver's ordered, they are all either in their traditional shape with a higher or lower middle, the ultra shape with a higher/lower middle or their special shape with bigger/smaller edges and a higher or lower middle.
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Had that many times Andy I have had my bat made in front of me to my exact detail
That was custom.
I had a shape I wanted in my head for my new bat I saw what they offered interns of customisation I had versions choices but it was custom made to what I asked for interns of edge spine and profile so yes it is custom to what I asked for weather it looked like another bat or not.
I see it like a blender mate they customised my bat for what I asked for like you would a smoothie
But if you want something unique they offer a different taste that tast is bespoke and you can tell them what you want in ever detail
90 per cent of all custom made bats are Infact copies as you know of one thing or another
this bat was based on my laver pb bar the off set edges and I choose it that way
I stand corrected then Dave I thought you chose from predefined shapes
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The offset edges make it look same but i did not know that was an exclusive thing to saf unless I'm mistaken nothing against them but if you put a lot of bats on here side by side they will look very similar I think even though there different makes as only so many shapes in world really
I'm only taking umbrage slightly on this as you can probably tell.... but I didnt know of any bat before the H.... that looked like it... I gladly stand corrected and as Dave said it wasnt a stock shape from predefined shapes so more of a one off
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I'm not that well read on it but if you were the first fair enough I can see why you'd take umbrage but if true imitation is sincerest form of flattery
If you were the first maybe should of patented it as seems a great idea
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I'm not that well read on it but if you were the first fair enough I can see why you'd take umbrage but if true imitation is sincerest form of flattery
If you were the first maybe should of patented it as seems a great idea
I might not have been the 1st but of all the people out there I wasn't expecting something so similar from these guys, so that is why I'm am slightly annoyed.... I guess I feel let down more then anything
No point in patenting shapes take to much time, money and hard to police...
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I can see how hard to police as others can just alter shape slightly and claim its different
I suppose this is no different than someone seeing a bat online and asking a maker to copy it as I see makers on copying scoop tour and even jumbo shapes for customers or themselves
I honestly think there are only so many shapes out there so things tend to blend together after a while
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At least they could have given credit where it is due. In the wikipedia article about cricket bats , Andy is credited as developing the offset edge. Sadly not everyone wants to patent. It's a tribute to Andy's batmaking skills and the fact it's not a gimmick but a working theory. Everytime I see Pacman's Hades , I really want one. B3 is quite futurisitic with this idea of customisation and will probably stay as there are few real batmakers . We live in a time and place where we need it there and then and B3 can churn out custom models in no time.
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In fairness to b3 I don't think they advertise the offset edge as such. It's simply an end product of a low edge profile and high middle swell.
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The shape is the shape that the player comes up with through the system. An offset edge on a B3 happens when the player wants a high middle, but low edge profile on CAD system. They're not promoting it widely as 'the high performance offset edge profile' it just happens to be a profile which comes about from their various options.
You'll notice the DB1, DB2 and DB3 (their stock shapes) don't feature the offset edge profile, so I can't see it as them ripping Andy off.
More a series of events, which a player can choose which culminates in a profile similar to one that a batmaker on here created.
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In fairness to b3 I don't think they advertise the offset edge as such. It's simply an end product of a low edge profile and high middle swell.
Exactly - so the question would be why are players choosing this profile?
I think Andy can take huge credit from his blog and various posts explaining the benefits for that.
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As I have stated before take the off set edges away it is a replica of the old laver special profile from 2008
Yes the off set edges are the twist to this
Bar the off set edges the bat is a laver special profile
Look down the back of a hades and look down the back of this there different the row area and the middles and spines
This bat is cross between a laver and saf offset edge but b3 just put in my chooses and here it came
Call custom what you want for me I bought a bat that has many influences but was made by a machine and as proven it was a 3 in 144 chance of this
As stated I new the edges would be offset as I asked for a high spine but low edges simple as that
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As said I have been after the ops laver special profile for so long I have been let down by 2 makers not on here I may add to copy it
So b3 gave me that option and then with different edges just happens with the combination
Bit sad when you have to defend a shape you asked for through a machine this was just a bat review
The middle is from about a inch from the custom sticker till about a inch near the toe
Like my old trusty laver but with a bigger coverage as expected through the shape
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Dave [Procricket] said he ended with that shape as a custom, I stood corrected like I said earlier... Also B3 called me, I still really like those guys and huge thanks for the call...
My umbrage and possible toys out of pram attitude has been eliminated...
Thanks B3 especially for the call and best of luck guys and you Procricket with your bat.
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^^^^^ there is the line I've drawn under it, admire the bat guys
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Dave, you have no need to defend yourself, everyone loves the bat and the thought that went into the design.
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All good then
now we can get back to reality of the thread that a bat of this quality size and performance is lost on Dave haha
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Dave, you have no need to defend yourself, everyone loves the bat and the thought that went into the design.
All good then
now we can get back to reality of the thread that a bat of this quality size and performance is lost on Dave haha
Exactly, less unjustified pre-maddona stuff from me
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It's warming to know things like this can be sorted like grown ups over a quick call between willow geeks
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Follow up
Used this today in a indoor net played very well indeed
Used mainly readers balls on the machine bat played very well indeed and has a chance of,eclipsing the very destinguished private bin.
Maybe the fact I feel in top nick and me working on strength area,but the bat plays as well as a bat could and played accordingly if I hit it well it goes. Coverage is good as expected from the shape and quality of willow and pressing seems top quality
Also tried the other 2 bats which I have reviewed alsewhere they went well as well but this bat is special in looks and playability.
Overall not much else to say but a very good,bat indeed no doubt about that
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Oh forgot to add it is 3 oz heavier than normal but did not notice in pick up maybe a sign of a well balanced bat.
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I think that if you ask someone to make you a bat to a specific shape, and they do that, even if it is via programming a machine to do the actual work, then it qualifies as custom made. Maybe there is a confusion between custom made and hand made?
It looks a fine bat. I'm not surprised that you are delighted with it.
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I can confirm this bat has been whittled down to my required weight and modified pictures will be soon it has the icon toe now with a full length spine and for the weight is still a massive bat
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Wasnt it at the weight you specified when ordering originally or did you opt to go a bit heavier than usual to try it out
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They did everything I asked it was a weight I asked for trying something you know me too I just wanted it brought down after the experiment instead of selling the bat it's performance is top class and still a massive bat in the pictures I have seen it down to 2lb 5oz and a quarter without grip and still big.
It has been confirmed as a extremely light cleft
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I have rough pictures of my half finished bat I got the idea from buzz and one of his bats
I guess it becoming a custom custom bespoke
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The redefined re modelled
2lb 6oz
what shape do people think it looks like now
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Hades...?
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Reminds me of an Icon
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I think it is a hades,icon,millichamp ,gt mixture all my favourite shapes not forgetting laver old special
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Looks nice Dave.
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Looks impressive Dave. Hope this serves you well mate.
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Where did you send it for remodelling, Dave?
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Where did you send it for remodelling, Dave?
From the set-up looks like B3 workshop. Could be Chase (Dave's got contacts :) )
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That definitely isn't B3, looks like a hobbyists/part-time makers - who has done an excellent job on it.
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Dominic shillibeer did this for me shillyshilly
B3 were so good to me and fixed me up this great low density piece of willow I contacted them but can't afford to travel down there currently so I saw one of buzz remodelled bats and though I give it a whirl and a great job it looks and a great price.
I have to thank b3 though for there kindness through out I hope to get down there later before the season to get maybe a set of there softs
It was my fault for asking for a different weight and instead of selling it I got it down to what I wanted and I couldn't contemplate selling such a good bat
Thanks to Dom and thanks to buzz to share the info it great sometimes when forum comes together to help each other
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similarities to the icon but the edge shape and spine profile slightly different:-
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Great work from Dom.
DOM still have an using the bat you sold me 2 years back :)
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good work yash!! im glad its doing you proud!!
Like i mentioned in previous threads, not a fan of the offset edge, but it picks up nicely and so it should weighing in at 2.6!!!
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intersting to see the difference
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My eyes are impaired but I see tad more concaving and obviously higher up the blade edges are thinner.
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And the 'middle' has been raised a few inches, along with the edges being significantly thinner near the toe.
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The middle and off set has been brought up a tad the edges only where the off set have changed.
The toe has had the whale fin/icon treatment and the weight reduced by around a ounce or two...
Concaved a touch where the off set cureved up to the middle still a big bat for 2lb 6oz.
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I think is looks a lot like my old saf genus, but I haven't got any pics to had to show it off...!
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I think it looks a but like a mids or a malik
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MIDS is a close call but definitely not MB Malik.
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MIDS is a close call but definitely not MB Malik.
Well maybe Ali's old malik are custom re stickered but they did have branding but it looks similar to the one of his but anything i guess is possible for him
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Just seen B3 pads and gloves
oh dear oh dear do i need more kit
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bat looks great mate, Dom really did a top job.
Just seen B3 pads and gloves
oh dear oh dear do i need more kit
Like the pads, not keen on the gloves, but more appealing is the 'big bag' especially at 55 quid
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Here it is finished and re-stickered.
Thanks to B3 cricket great bat my match bat for the season and thanks Dom one of the best finishes i have seen on any cricket bat top stuff mate and great shape for me cheers..
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profile and others
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2lb 7 1/2 Oz fully gripped
36mm edges
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That looks great Dave, especially for the weight. Did you have to get a 2nd set of stickers from B3 or was sillyshilly able to save the original set?
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Nope i took them off mate before Russell B3 sorted me out i went for a different colour
Not many have the experience Russell does with the equipment industry and a cricket equipment lover as well
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Used this today for the first time post weight reduction sorry for bringing a old regurgitated topic back up the bat went so well I glad to say it is my main bat for the season no matter what.
I put in the hard yards with this bat around 12 hours of knocking in post and pre went reduction the bat is a serious bit of kit. Yes form is improving with more nets but this bat just clicked today and shamembutmthe kulkasakra Ss is relegated so ismthemprovate bin it just felt right with every shot I played perfectly balanced and felt great so happy it finally feels like my bat..
I do recommend b3 to anybody who wants a great cricket bat I know there so many out there but they do make a very decent bat and there my choice for 2013
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Little update
Best bat I have used and hard to use anything else really really Impressed I know my form is half decent so it is combined with the decent bat.
Just looked at there softs I think I want matching kit so it goodbye to all my sareen kit including bats so look out for a sale very soon.
The bat is in the top drawer I have ever used no doubt about that very happy with my twisted machine and hand finished infusion.
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It's a great feeling when something clicks. That extra confidence and enjoyment should see you right.
Good stuff Dave.
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Little update
Best bat I have used and hard to use anything else really really Impressed I know my form is half decent so it is combined with the decent bat.
Just looked at there softs I think I want matching kit so it goodbye to all my sareen kit including bats so look out for a sale very soon.
The bat is in the top drawer I have ever used no doubt about that very happy with my twisted machine and hand finished infusion.
Dave, hold off selling the ss kit for two reasons, firstly wait for the next generation sorts from b3 which will be a load better knowing Russell and secondly you have just found you dream sorts, you would be nuts to flog them.
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Must thank Tom Evans for putting me onto b3
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Bore alert...
Sorry if I bore you today but used this after my other is in for it yearly refurbishment
Have only used this a few times but today I found out I don't like scuff sheets anymore used this today and the sound was immense and the rebound possibly better than the trott lovely helped me on my way to 65* fist ball flicked through mid wicket even the batmaker Easby was purring.
Sorry to bore you if you think Im advertising think that just though I give a update a year almost to the day since it arrived a great bat
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I'm 99.9% certain scuff sheets dampen the rebound of a bat.
Took the scuff of a B&S and an MH and both went from good to amazing
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I tempted to agree although the trade of is it has a few surface cracks but it did feel like a different bat it was truely brilliant very happy
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You do have to keep sanding them and oiling. my bats usually last 2000 runs doing this
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Don't oil them mate this has gone down to 2-5 and a boat without scuff sheet very happy with it though my other one will not be scuffed either I don't think once agin got to thank dom shillibeer who shows machine and hand go hand in hand
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What does oil actually do to a cricket bat?
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Well millichamp cut a bat up it makes the face harder and keeps it more supple I guess no reason why I shouldn't use it
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What does oil actually do to a cricket bat?
All it is meant to do is seal in the moisture, some people say it takes away the responsiveness, but I feel it doesn't really, although I haven't really used an unoiled or unscuffed bat in a while! Normally, if I don't use a scuff sheet, I'll sand the bat down every so often and almost clean the the face with a little bit of oil. No need to use very much, but I try not to let the wood get too dry.
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I use briwax or beeswax normally to clean and polish by the natural face is a new thing for about 10 years for me and the bat felt good.
I get pictures up of the face it has cracked and marked but it did feel much much better
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I'm surprised you haven't kicked your good lady out of the bed and put your b3 bats next to you
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I'm surprised you haven't kicked your good lady out of the bed and put your b3 bats next to you
Didn't everyone on here do that a long time ago :D?
I personally like to use a scuff sheet and replace it every season. I hate to see the face of my bat lightly cracked or dented :(.
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I have to be honest it sat nex to me right now not sure why.
This bat is as low density as it get
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Sign of an understanding wife haha
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2-5 AND A HALF
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Looks good mate :) , do you feel at all like you've become slightly obsessed ;)?
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No mate I praise quality and quality I have not obsessed at all before I bought my 2 I had tried over 40 bats in a year and a half period now I have t bought a bat in a long time because of these
These bats have stopped me like my laver quality will be championed
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Another bat Dave! :o How many is that this season now?
Hope your well mate, need to catch up now the seasons finished.
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2lb 5 and a half?! You been sticking your bats in the airing cupboard again Dave? :D I've warmed a lot to that shape, it's pretty similar to my L&W Reserve, lovely shape. Does this mean the scuff sheets are coming off all your bats now? I might try a bat without a scuff, been about two years since I've done so. I have so bloody many, that longevity shouldn't really matter as much!
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I don't think Dave puts his B3's in the airing cupboard. Guessing they've lost a little moisture naturally.
Got to admit the B3 he used yesterday sounded gorgeous. We were discussing anti scuff after the game (over a beer and pickled egg) and both came to the conclusion you do lose a little bit of performance with one. What you do lose is the lovely sound of a hard leather ball on willow.
I prefer the look and feel of his JT over this B3, but performance wise both are very very good.
Looking forward to the bats he'll be bringing back from India, you can't argue with Daves eye he has for a bat
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Hell 2 years it has gone fast i think this was a belter but we are getting better and better bat mapping has been a success and we are moving forward
Streaky and the boys are cutting edge
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Well this is where it started i asked for
Profile 3
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spine 1
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I just ordered this design as well in 2.12lbs but with profile 1 so its more traditional.... its on its way to me as we speak and i simply cant wait... I bit the bullet and bought a grade 3 from them as well so i have a net bat as well as a game bat... Cant wait. will post pics when it gets here and initial thoughts :)