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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: hit4six on May 22, 2009, 07:42:42 AM
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Just watching the sports news on BBC this morning? they are reviewing the mongoose twenty20 bat. It has an extra long handle (around 4 inches longer, blade 4 inches smaller) and it gives more wood in the hitting area. According to the reporter, it picks up like any other bat. The website for mongoose isnt up and running just yet, but its certainly a brilliant idea. Any views on this....
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one word "baseball"
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two words: ouchie fingers!!
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awsome i want one!!!!!
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http://www.mongoosecricket.com/ (http://www.mongoosecricket.com/)
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Interesting pic here, looks almost to be laminated.
They also do a 1 inch smaller blade bat without splice. I'm guessing it's Hunts doing their bats too.
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Apparently its going to be used this week in a twenty20? Quite interested to see how it goes!
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If it's laminated, and very obviously it is, then surely they are not allowed to use these bats in professional cricket
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its so expensive tho
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Just reading through the pdf on their web page!!!!
edit_1:
First thing to note... tested against a woodworm!!!!
Second thing I'd ask is was the conventional bat [Woodworm] knocked in - [does the mongoose need knocking in and was that?]
more updates soon!!!!!
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Moment of Interia- not sure if anyone has read my blog but it says swing speed is faster on the mongoose - but in short
The Low Toe Theory - Ummm you're on a merri-go-round and you stand at the end then your weight is propelled around faster [greater momentum] then if you stand in the middle. By moving the weight of the bat further down it has greater momentum then if it is was distributed around the blade….
[ http://www.cricket-stuff.co.uk/?p=161 (http://www.cricket-stuff.co.uk/?p=161) ]
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Then it bangs on about the Mongoose bat being stiffer... but it seems that it has the same vibration qualities of the a normal blade. Virbration means energy loss and therefore less energy on batted ball speeds.... So no real benefits from blade stiffness
So the only real benefit is bat swing speed and that has been compromised due to the pickup being heavy.....
Sweet spot - it says it says it is the same.... but there are 2 ommisions in the PDF that would have helped out with this and that is Centre of Precussion and Coefficient of Restitution
- Ok something quick on both Coefficient of Restitution [CoR] you can try this at home. Drop a ball from a fixed height onto the cricket bat and measure the rebound height of the ball - CoR is the square root of rebound height divided by Original height. [this just gives you a number]. But you will see / measure a rebound difference between two cricket bats. CoR is dependant on a number of things
Centre of percussion [CoP] - hang a bat where you normally hold it and hit it with a mallet. At the point it swings like a pendulum that is the CoP. Or when playing with it when the ball hits the cricket bat at a point that it neither pushes your hands forwards or backwards
--- Also noticed mongoose bats are all heavier then the woodworm bat as well.... [ http://www.cricket-stuff.co.uk/?p=15 (http://www.cricket-stuff.co.uk/?p=15) ]
-- Thats it.....
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i think you would have to be either a very god player to middle a ball with this bat, or play on some very evenly bounced wickets
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All I can say is what is the world of cricket coming to!!!!! I wouldn't fancy Dale Steyn or Brett Lee bouncing me with a big hockey stick in my hand
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I wonder if they can get 2 bats out of a single cleft?
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They may order shorter clefts for them which would be cheaper, but don't think you'd get 2 out of a cleft.
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horrible, taking it too far, the games going in the wrong direction
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double sided bats and now bats half the length, wtf is going on?!?!?
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i know its stupid, all new innovations are aimed at 2020 and batsmen
interesting thing i heard when sean udal was commentating, in a batting powerplay the batsmen has the field bought it at an advantage to the batsmen, but in a bowling powerplay you would expect it to be at the advantage of the bowler, no the field is bought in at an advantage to the batsmen
he said that he is waiting for a BOWLING powerplay that is an advantage to the bowler, he suggested 6 stumps
and they wonder why test cricket is suffering
they are saying that all young people want to do is watch 2020, i disagree, i'm 15 and although i like watching 2020, i prefer sitting down and watching 5 days of test cricket
they are saying 2020 will get kids into cricket, but, just look back after the 2005 ashes TEST series, cricket exploded in england all the kids were playing
also this idea of a day/night test match will finish the 5 day game off
rant over ;)
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thats true liam, they should at least try and even the game out so there is more of a contest between bat and ball in one day cricket, whether this is taking powerplays away or creating a new idea.
also, the ashes series in 2005 did attract many more people to the game than any twenty20 competition will do!!
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Agree with regards to preferring Test cricket, and it is also widely seen amongst current cricketers that before you play Test matches you haven't reached the "top" level. When I think of the best of the best, I think of Test matches, not hitting it around for an hour. Whilst it can be fun and enjoyable, it's still not where the heart of cricket belongs, that is in Tests.
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Am gonna try and get a look at some of these bats next week, will let you know what I think once seen in person.
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saw one on sat, lou Vincent, 3 hits and out ,this idea is not so new.
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they look pants, how wud u hit the ball, surely a quick bowler wud get one to sip up and snap ur handle in half?
also i think they are saying the whole bat is a middle because there is no shape,
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they look pants, how wud u hit the ball, surely a quick bowler wud get one to sip up and snap ur handle in half?
also i think they are saying the whole bat is a middle because there is no shape,
could happen no matter what bat your using though, and you would hit just as you do now
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Stuart Law used the Mongoose at the Riverside tonight, scored 42 from 25 balls.
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Run out as well, so can't blame the bat for that. Interesting to see.
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=207573305077 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=207573305077)
Facebook group for it :)
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i joined, i think it will be quite a small hit, but i like the idea
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Photos of law using the bat are on Derbyshire's website;
http://www.derbyshireccc.com/servlets/template?FILE=news-fullstory&SID=14901341561781456912972&news_id=1997&title=Law%20unleashes%20the%20Mongoose (http://www.derbyshireccc.com/servlets/template?FILE=news-fullstory&SID=14901341561781456912972&news_id=1997&title=Law%20unleashes%20the%20Mongoose)
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Interesting that Law didn't start with it but changed half way though his innings. I had heard hw has been using there other bat too that has a blade that is only 1 inch shorter in other one dayers - did he start of with one of these or was it a fully conventional bat?
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He started with the Mongoose bat which is 1" shorter. Reason being there was a lot of pressure on Law with him being the main Mongoose sponsored player, also I think he didn't want it to seem like he was putting himself and his marketing contracts ahead of the team.
Oh and Steve Harmison was bowling :P
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I really want one, i like the blue one better but wouldnt mind any :)
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Eugh looks nasty but would'nt mind trying one!
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I think they look pretty nice! the stickers are very nice, would love to try both of em :)
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Good luck trying to find a grip for them.
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Bat in use today, does look a little strange at first glance. 16 off 12 balls, with just the one 4 today.
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I think it looks silly.
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i wanna see him bat on sky sports in a match, so we can see how it performs throughout an innings
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Saw one earlier, it feels very odd in the hands and quite heavy ... but can get loads of bat speed. Was very chunky and forgiving. Didnt have the balls to use it the game though!
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Any hear the brief Marcus "Speedy Gonzales" Coddignton interview on Phil Tuffnells Cricket show on radio 5 live tonight?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ksnmv/5_live_Sport_04_06_2009/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ksnmv/5_live_Sport_04_06_2009/)
Catch it there @ 1hr 48
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Tom, found it interesting when he said the nnn% was due to the increase of swing speed not the handle or the blade shape.. Similar to what I said when I read through the article.
I patted myself on the back but I was in the car and almost crashed :D
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I love the fact that the increase in swing speed caused by the mass far away from the handle somehow applies to hooks and pulls. Clearly these shots would be slower as well as bloody risky for the ribs. I think a Mongoose Chest guard is the first item of protection needed!!
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Seems a bit gimmicky to me, I think that as the game and its rules involves it's important to keep some core aspects in place, the traditional bat being one of them.
Then again, I haven't used one, might get a kashmir prototype made in the future just to see what it's like.
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Have you bought one then?
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well if or when you ever want to sell the smaller one let me know, i'll have it!
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do you work for mongoose tom?
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Yes, I do now.
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How did you start working with them(what do you do?) , Are they powerful ? which are better red or blue? How much could you give them for? and congrats!
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so u switched from Itais to this lot . . . fair play
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The bats are powerful of course, if you have the mass of a full bat condense it down into half the length and then add a long handle so you've got a quicker swing speed the result is pretty good. I prefer the Red as it's something different, no special prices though.
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Whats different about the larger bat tom?
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1" shorter blade with splice in the handle.
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Saw this on ebay and thought that you might be interested as you can see it went for £19.99 - Tom am I right in thinking that Hunt's make or were involved in some way developing the Mongoose?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hunts-County-Supreme-Shoulderless-Cricket-Bat_W0QQitemZ230347736923QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_SportingGoods_CricketBats_SM?hash=item35a1cb875b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hunts-County-Supreme-Shoulderless-Cricket-Bat_W0QQitemZ230347736923QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_SportingGoods_CricketBats_SM?hash=item35a1cb875b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting)
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Tony at Hunts makes the Mongooses (or is it Mongeese? :))
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mongeese im afraid
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By definition it is Mongooses, but yes Mongeese is easier to say and sounds more correct.
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would u say they work alot better tom>??
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Nearly everyone who's used one has fell in love with it and it's great fun to use. Seems hits the ball further than a normal bat.
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are u all already getting baddgers about sponsorship?
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Yes and the answer is no unless you're a professional player playing 1st XI county or above.
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i was just wondering, so are alot of pros taking it on board?
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cool, not sure if i would like one, seems abit sticky to me
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Sticky?
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yeah, not for me ;)
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it got an awful review in all out cricket (AUG), i was expecting better, in my opinion this company wont last it is just a phase and will struggle to keep operating
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felt one at lords today, felt very diffrent
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Which bat did you feel Apple? Every player I've spoken too along with the coaches have said it feels no diff.
Where/when did you see it @ Lords too? Was it in the shop there?
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It definately does not feel the same at all, the one i picked up felt very heavy and it was only a 2.8. Must be due to all the weight being so low down, i reckon it felt like a normal 2.11/2.12
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In my view it picks up like a toe-heavy bat, but it doesn't feel un-bat like. It still picks up the same as a bat.
Do you think it picks up differently?
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Hi this may helphttp://www.psychometric-success.com/aptitude-tests/mechanical-reasoning-tests-levers.htm
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Yep that's correct, it's basically like having a bottom heavy bat. What I mean by it picks up the same is that it doesn't feel totally different to a conventional cricket bat. If you closed your eyes and picked up a Mongoose you wouldn't know it was one, we have done that with players.
It's in a couple of shops now, so feel free to go and have a look and swing with one.
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I suppose your right tom, does feel like a toe heavy bat, quite like an m and h solution. Doesnt help that ive been using a fusion all year which picks up very well, so would make it feel heavier.
I had a quick swing with it and it did definately go well, seemed to be able to generate alot of bat speed.
I think the main issue is that they cost alot considering that you wouldnt want to use it most of the time. Only when hitting out and and in 20/20's. Correct me if im wrong. I think if you did a cheaper version, about 120 quid it would really take off.
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I've picked up 100's of the things so I'm also probably getting used to it more than you who would have only seen one for the first time.
Pricing is always a difficult one, you don't want to cheapen the brand whilst high prices put people off. They're all being handmade in England at the moment so it's difficult to sell below £159 especially with retailers wanting to sell them. There are plenty of new ideas and production avenues to be looked into anyway so prices may change. We're also in talks with a number of players with regard to using the bat for the remainder of 09 and also some taking it on for 2010 so it's all very interesting at the moment.
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see where you coming from
maybe get some kashmirs in? coz i know a lot of people could buy a great handmade bat for excatly the same price. Where if they see a cheaper kashy they might be a bit more tempted to have a little dabble and hit with 1
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i felt both versions of the bats,
they wer in the lords shop, the red one felt like a toe heavy bat, and the green one felt prety much the same but it was slightly less.
The wood itslelf looked very good
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Tom, I'm really sorry if I'm asking you to repeat yourself - however, can you tell me the difference between the two versions?
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the green/blue is slightly larger and has a special spliceless technoligy
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MMi3 has a blade 33% shorter than a regular bat. CoR3 is just an inch shorter, like the Newbery Uzi.
Both have the splice inside the handle and the CoR3 also has a slightly flexier handle than a regular cane handle.
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tom are mongoose going to make softys?
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Yes, should be stocked ready for 2010 season.
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I look forward to seeing them!
will there been some high tek stuff?
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Saw them in the flesh at lords on thursday, still don't get them.In fact I hate them! In mind normal bats will always prosper as shown by number of pros using the moongoose style. If someone used it in our club cricket you would think wxxxxx
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No-one is currently using Mongoose style bats due to contractual reasons. It's not because they don't like them, although I will admit a number wouldn't use them. But there is similar number of other players who love the idea and should be using them soonish.
We were due to have bats being used in the Ashes but that fell through 2 days before the 1st Test for a reason beyond our (or his!) control!
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I saw the 2 different mongoose bats at a retailer in Staffs and they were really annoying.
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The bats were annoying?
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I picked up loads of Stuart Laws Today(8 to be precise ) (5 mmi3, 3 cor3) whilst doing the dressing rooms for lehmans all stars in anthhony mcgraths benefit
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how were they?
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I have picked one up, doesn't feel like a cricket bat to me. I wouldn't feel comfortable using it in a match.
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They all looked great. Although i will say Stuart, being mongoose' main endorsement, was biased towards them and even tried to make everybody use one
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I was at that Darren Lehman game promoting the 'Goose and dropped some bats off for Stuey. Couple of them were belters.
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LOL. You gave them to the fat lad who passed them to me to give to him.
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Latest Mongoose signing.
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Devon Smith is it???
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Dwayne
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Near enough lol! The one who plays for Sussex?
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Yep and he won the IPL with the Deccan Chargers.
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Ill be trying these bats out next week... ill let everyone know how it goes!
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Can't wait to see Dwayne Smith use one of them. He's known as a big hitter, isn't he?
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Yea, he played a few useful innings for DC early on in this year's IPL before Symonds became available.
Edit: So, Tom, am I to assume that you will be rooting for DC next year? ;)
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Not sure who I'm rooting for yet, there's still a load more players we're talking to so may end up following a few of the sides!
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When will soft goods be out tom?
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that wat i wanna know, i felt it again today, felt more normal this time
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End of this year start of next. They're in development.
There's a few sets of pads floating around with our logo's at the moment, but they're just interim pads for the pro's to use.
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i no this mite be to personal but tom wat is ur job in mongoose?
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Ok thanks mate.
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Can't wait to see Dwayne Smith use one of them. He's known as a big hitter, isn't he?
he was my club teams pro !
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Coming to Aus?
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Sorry, but I think the pricing of the Mongoose will mean they don't get huge. I mean, £159 for a bat that's half the size of a normal bat is a bit too much, and most people will be buying it without actually trying one, so £159 is a little too much, while at £100, I think they'd get a lot of sales.
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For £159 you get a bat made to your spec and handmade. A Mongoose is made from a full size cleft and takes longer than a normal bat to make due to the complex handle. The uptake for the bat has been huge and the waiting list was over a month at launch.
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For £159 you get a bat made to your spec and handmade. A Mongoose is made from a full size cleft and takes longer than a normal bat to make due to the complex handle. The uptake for the bat has been huge and the waiting list was over a month at launch.
When you say made to my spec, how far do I get it to made to my own spec?
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Weight, grain, profile, handle shape that kind of thing.
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so cud i say i wanted a mongoose with 16 grains?
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Yes, and you'd get it if we had that type of willow in the right grade. If not you'd get the closest to it.
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Just out of interest, what would you say the benefit in using the Mongoose would be for a teenager still looking to hone his technique?
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More value for your shots, meaning you don't have to hoick across the line or into cow corner to hit 4's and 6's. You can do this with a cover drive etc thanks to the extra power.
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Will you send one to me here in Thailand Tom ? Thailand Sixes are on early next month.
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Quick update:
Signed Mohammad Ashraful who used the CoR3 today, scored 20 although hit a nice 6 on the bats debut. Also have signed another pretty well known player who will be announced as soon as his contract ends on the 1st Nov.
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Sarwan?
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No. He's higher profile, not as good batsman. We already have Dwayne Smith, so probably won't sign anymore West Indian's in the next couple of months.
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Heard he's after a new deal ,think he only wanted $40000 per year any takers?
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is it a aussie tom?
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You'll find out on Sunday/Monday ;)
Sarwan is decent value at 40k.
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Im guessing its a current england bowler from your remarks ........onions, anderson or broad would be my guess.
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Not Broad sillyshilly
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Right - Albert is banned. (my first ever ban dished out - woohoo!)
Everyone else.... stop bickering and get back on topic (or I'll ban you ALL mwahhahah!!!)
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Jimmy Anderson obviously now announced and official as a Mongoose player, was in the Metro on Thursday if anyone saw it.
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Also freshened up the site a bit if you get a chance to look...
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You boys dont mess around, I hope that all these high profile signings actually boost the sales for mongoose and that we dont have another woodworm scenario!
Tis a lovely jacket he's wearing......very hugh heffner!
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I think the moral of the Woodworm story is you can have all the players in the world but quality is still paramount. Oh, and also don't go into golfwear!
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higher profile than sarwan? but worse batsmen = chris gayle maybe?
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Errrrrrr
what
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haha i'd known that for agesss but just didnt want to ruin mongoose's surprise. I was so close to just coming out with it but managed to keep my trap shut!
Quite a good signing i think, not a great batsmen but usually gets a crack, either when we are bowled out or as night watchmen. shame he hasn't got his ducks record still going or there might be a bit more focus on him when he bats but nevermind. Mongoose have done well i think, just need a proper proper batsmen now!
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as you sponsor that indian lad, he is quality :P
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why sponsor a 5 year old?
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cuz he is quality
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how can you telll that a 5 year old is amazing?
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why sponsor a 5 year old?
Because, this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIV0T6lycQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFIV0T6lycQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JVjS_yCRWw&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JVjS_yCRWw&feature=channel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuBaesueTG4&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuBaesueTG4&feature=channel)
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBxuc1ehahE&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBxuc1ehahE&feature=channel)
is exposure, basically
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yes i agree he is very good but he doesnt play any games so may not be able to play in situation
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haha see in the second video lekka tried to grab him as well!
if hes playing those shots at that age i think its a reasonable bet on behalf of mongoose.
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From a business point of view you don't sponsor players for the amount of games they play or the quality of their batting necessarily, it's all about the amount of exposure they give the company.
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yes and he is a young talent and all over youtube so now i see why you sponsor him....apologies if i offended anyone with this
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Just shows that I really ought to get a link up to his YouTube as I'm sure there's other people out there thinking the same.
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They that little fella is amazing . . .i couldn't even walk when i was 5! haha
Tom i was thinking the same as Tommo when i saw him on your website . . .but after seeing him I have a totally different view! If he continues to develop and eventually becomes a test match player, the mongoose brand will be synonmous with the 'little master' . . .so its a great marketing ploy!
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Must say tom the updated website is very nice, the rotating bats bit is especially good.
The profile on the cor3 looks much better aswell, very tempting.
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ye thats the first company with a revolving bat, on the website that actually looks any good.
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The amount of exposure?? He's only 5 and if he gets in the paper and Wisden a couple of times, you'll be lucky and that will be it until he gets a few big scores. A bit desperate I reckon, keep to sponsoring proper players.
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Having had 200,000 views on his videos it's certainly worth a couple of bats isn't it? Videos such as that of Krishna have potential to go viral particularly around cricket clubs and circles.
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The amount of exposure?? He's only 5 and if he gets in the paper and Wisden a couple of times, you'll be lucky and that will be it until he gets a few big scores. A bit desperate I reckon, keep to sponsoring proper players.
Yes but think about it like this, the kid generates exposure yes? theres the reason straight away and also how demanding is a five year old going to be? give him a free bat and he will be chuffed. So your getting exposure for next to nothing. Good marketing imo
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I remember seeing an article a long long time ago in the Daily Mail about a two teenagers in India putting on over 600 in a school mate- they were obviously Kambli and Tendulkar. I reckon get 'em early and they might show brand loyalty long term... worth a punt?
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I remember seeing an article a long long time ago in the Daily Mail about a two teenagers in India putting on over 600 in a school mate- they were obviously Kambli and Tendulkar. I reckon get 'em early and they might show brand loyalty long term... worth a punt?
Didnt show much loyalty to Lekka who was the first to send him a bat! I can guess what will happen to the mongoose when another company sends a bat.
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Leo, you don't know anything about the situation so I'm suprised you're willing to judge someone's loyalty and character as a complete outsider.
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Please feel free to enlighten me then tom
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It isn't my business so nothing to enlighten you on unfortunately.
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Website looks excellent, if not one of the best.
Will Anderson be using the Cor3 or MMi?
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CoR3 more likely, as he's a night-watchman and defensive player. He has got an MMi3 in his kitbag, but I don't know how often we'll see it particularly with it being a OD/T20 bat.
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wats the difference between a cor 3 and a tradional bat
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The stock CoR3 is 1.5" shorter and has a spliceless blade.
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do they ping
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thats not a impossible question
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do they ping
yes
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my cor3 is amazinggg i recommend to anyone. Mongoose are the future!!!!
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Tom, what softs is anderson using then? or has he just got bats with you?
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He's should be using the same stuff as Dwayne Smith and Stuart Law have been using.
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which is?
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Looks like they're using Hunts County softs.
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yeah i just looked on google images.....law is using triumph gloves and GM pads in one i found
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We have some limited kit made up, which is basically the County stuff with Mongoose logo and in different colours.
We've done some prototype radical looking stuff, but won't be ready to market in 2010.
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any idea when the "limited kit" will be released??
Will you be getting any pics of the radical kit???
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are there any pictures?
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FORUM PREVIEW!
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Nah sorry can't post pics of the prototype stuff as it's very early stage stuff. The limited kit should be here around Jan.
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Cant blame you tom someone will only try to copy it otherwise! lol
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Are the softs etc going to be as innovative as the bats or will they be more conventional?
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Look forward to seeing them!!
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Im getting excited!