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Title: Cricinfo News and Comments Story - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: uknsaunders on October 24, 2012, 12:23:09 PM
Not quite cricket in the news but I do love a good cricinfo article that gets the comments going. You read so much rubbish from people who have little or no idea. I personally love posting comments to wind the Indian Fanboys up, along the lines of the IPL is rubbish, Dhoni can't bat for toffee, India don't have any decent bowlers etc etc.

Anyway he's one for our Aussie boys:-

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/587871.html?comments=all#comments

Read the story and read the comments. I think it's a great business move by CA to reduce the price of kooks balls. They might even let the Aus bowlers use a decent cricket ball for once.
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Manormanic on October 24, 2012, 12:24:41 PM
I can't see the Aussies wanting to use a Dukes.  Their bowling resources are fine and all experienced in using the crappy Kook, whereas they certainly do not want to expose what is a weakening batting line up any more than they have to!
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: uknsaunders on October 24, 2012, 12:26:03 PM
I love Hammonds comment about the Dukes doing loads more than the kook.
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: tim2000s on October 24, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
Not quite cricket in the news but I do love a good cricinfo article that gets the comments going. You read so much rubbish from people who have little or no idea. I personally love posting comments to wind the Indian Fanboys up, along the lines of the IPL is rubbish, Dhoni can't bat for toffee, India don't have any decent bowlers etc etc.

Anyway he's one for our Aussie boys:-

[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/587871.html?comments=all#comments[/url]

Read the story and read the comments. I think it's a great business move by CA to reduce the price of kooks balls. They might even let the Aus bowlers use a decent cricket ball for once.

Just give them some pink Tiflex balls...
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Manormanic on October 24, 2012, 12:32:19 PM
has anyone actually used a Tiflex ball? 
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: uknsaunders on October 24, 2012, 12:54:22 PM
Might need Buzz to correct me on this but I think the AOC match we used pink Tiflex balls. They were ok but didn't have much of a seam and didn't feel great in the hand. Rubbish little seam.

I could see the aussie bowlers falling over themselves for a Dukes. Most ill informed comment so far is:-

Posted by Gilly4ever on (October 24 2012, 07:03 AM GMT)
Duke is an unfair advantage to England. Hence it should be outlawed. Simple as that. If it can't be outlawed, then it needs to be available all around the world.

and

Posted by ygkd on (October 24 2012, 08:46 AM GMT)
Yes, of course getting used to Dukes is important, but that's Dukes in England. In Australia they will not be the same. Australia's loss was being largely shut out of the County circuit. South Africa weren't and it has helped them no end recently. PS> Good one @PanGlupek.

Anybody can buy Dukes, I'm sure they wouldn't turn away business. I think the aussies have rather shut themselves out of county cricket but I don't remember steyn or morkel playing much.
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Manormanic on October 24, 2012, 01:05:16 PM
Now now, Morne bowled a full thirteen overs for Yorkshire.  They weren't very good overs, mind... Of the other top Yarpies, Steyn has a season at Essex before he became the bowler he is today, Tsotsobe played three games and was allowed to leave by mutual agreement and Philander had a few games for Zummerzet.  Only Imran Tahir has had any significant exposure over here....
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Manormanic on October 24, 2012, 01:05:54 PM
Mind you, I do love that Aussie attitude that their players have been shut out by us - how many English players have been welcomed in Australian domestic cricket?
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: alba caerulea on October 24, 2012, 01:14:08 PM
has anyone actually used a Tiflex ball?

My league balls are Tiflex, Oxford i think the model is called. The factory is about 15 miles from my house.

They do swing given helpful conditions but have a tendency to fall apart and for the seam to get flattened very quickly on an abrasive wicket
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: alba caerulea on October 24, 2012, 01:16:51 PM
Which is baffling as this is the ball that David Masters, Darren Stevens and a few other terrifying quicks cleaned up with in Div 2 of the championship in 2011. I'm presuming they are different models.
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Manormanic on October 24, 2012, 01:17:47 PM
I know the take fron most batsmen in that D2 was that the balls were not well weighted and that tended to magnify the wobble of the ball...
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: tushar sehgal on October 24, 2012, 01:18:38 PM
has anyone actually used a Tiflex ball?

We've been using pink balls this season made by the same manufacturer who make for tiflex (oxbrigde) and it does do a little more than the white and red ball but unless you are playing against a very very skilled bowler movement is not any more significant than white (just a little bit more)...
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: uknsaunders on October 24, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
the counties fall over themselves to hire test quality cricketers from anywhere in the world. I don't see CA sending young players over for experience, unless it's an ashes summer and it suits them.
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: alba caerulea on October 24, 2012, 01:38:00 PM
Also the standard of young Australians has dropped. A decade or so ago you had Hayden, Hodge, Symonds, Hussey x2, North, Jamie Cox etc all scoring big runs over here before they got a sniff of a run in the Australian team. They've shut themselves out really. South Africans seem to be the most popular nationality to import at the moment.

Would CA really make a decision like this based on finance?

Mind you, I do love that Aussie attitude that their players have been shut out by us - how many English players have been welcomed in Australian domestic cricket?

Paul Collingwood did ok yesterday for Perth! But yes I get your point, slightly different in that they have fewer first class sides though
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story 1 - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Manormanic on October 24, 2012, 01:43:53 PM
South Africans seem to be the most popular nationality to import at the moment.

Paul Collingwood did ok yesterday for Perth! But yes I get your point, slightly different in that they have fewer first class sides though

But he is only playing in the 20/20 joke stuff.  As far as I can remember, Beefy and Graeme Hick are the only two England/English players to play FC in Australia. 
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: alba caerulea on October 24, 2012, 02:12:39 PM
But he is only playing in the 20/20 joke stuff.  As far as I can remember, Beefy and Graeme Hick are the only two England/English players to play FC in Australia. 

Between 1990 and early 2000s I don't think we had anyone worth exporting! And Australia had a lot of depth in that period. Now maybe, but international scheduling doesn't allow the best players to play much domestic cricket anyway. A lot of the younger players play grade cricket in the winter and a few senior players have played recently for NZ first-class sides I think.

Anyway back to the ball - I remember David Saker had Englands bowlers practicing with the Kook for a while before the last Ashes Tour. So if this isn't purely a financial decision, it's a rather extreme progression of that
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Alvaro on October 24, 2012, 03:11:20 PM
Tony Lock captained Western Australia in the 1960s
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Manormanic on October 24, 2012, 03:13:47 PM
Thats quite a while back.  More recently, I note that Johann Botha now skippers South Australia.
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Alvaro on October 24, 2012, 03:14:03 PM
And I have a feeling that Vic Marks may have played for WA too.

I don't suppose you'd count people like Mullally who were erstwhile Australians before coming over to County Cricket and 'naturalising'?
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Alvaro on October 24, 2012, 03:15:03 PM
Thats quite a while back.  More recently, I note that Johann Botha now skippers South Australia.

It's true though...  :(
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Manormanic on October 24, 2012, 03:21:06 PM
It's true though...  :(

its also further back than I can remember, which was my original point!
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Alvaro on October 24, 2012, 03:30:33 PM
Point taken. Too touchy today, I am.
Title: Re: Cricinfo News and Comments Story - Dukes Balls in Aus
Post by: Manormanic on October 24, 2012, 05:54:12 PM
we all have those days.

I nearly made a Paypal transactions with Shaq joke there but remembered we were being fair!