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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Buzz on October 29, 2012, 12:10:18 PM
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Lots to talk about - both teams have a slight transition in the batting order and some confusion who will be batting at 6.
Here is Mike Selvey - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/oct/28/england-test-india
and here is more on the no 6 eng slot http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/27/nick-compton-commitment-england-india
this is debate on the Indian team http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/588665.html
what will the make up of the attack be - given that the Indians will prepare some raging bunsens - and given that when we have never won a test match that both Monty and Graeme Swann have played in.
what about Steven Finn (who is one of my first pics) - here is Scyld Berry - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/9638467/Steven-Finn-can-finish-off-Indias-fading-batting-force.html
I want to try to avoid discussion about KP - other than he will start and will bat at 4 - yes he will be a distraction, but there has already been too much discussion on the subject!
For what is it worth - I want the Eng Team to be...
Cook, Bell, Trott, KP, Morgan, Patel, Prior, Broad, Swann, Anderson, Finn
and I expect the indian team will be
Sehwag, Gambir, Pujara, Tendulkar, Kohli, Raina, Dohi, Ashwin, Khan, Ojha, Yadav
Eng haven't won in India since before most members were born...! :o
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Its a toss up between Raina and Yuvraj.. and I feel Yuvraj might get a nod in this series..
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raina wont play i dont think he cant play quick bowling even if the pitches will be flat.
the new zealand v india series I watched actually the wickets did have some carry
but India I think will put in another spinner in place of Yudav to expose England's weakness-which has been spin for quite a few years now.
England will keep root back and Compton will play as opener I think-Trott clearly does not want to open.
same old thing, if England go behind in the 1st match it will be a long long struggle to get anything from this tour.
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and we need to find a way to stop Kohli ! :)
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Well Bell's off for the 2nd Test to hand out cigars isn't he?
I think Compton will dayboo. I hope fat Sam gets no.6 but feel it will be Morgan/Bairstow owing to **** bowling fairly decent offies.
So, Cook, Compton, Trott, ****, Bell, Morgan, Prior, Broad, Swann, Anderson, Finn
India, who cares? It will be tough bowling them out twice whatever Scyld Berry thinks. I think Sachin might retire after the Mumbai Test, especially if he gets a hundred and India are 2-0 up... I think Yuvraj will play.
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Nearly fell off my chair when I read this:-
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/589160.html
Big Sam 80 odd not out. Were they throwing pies at him?
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I stand to be corrected but I cant see England taking 20 wickets cheaply enough to win a Test without a 2nd specialist spinner
Fair play to Patel though, hes done himself no harm there atall.
The opening spot is the only other question mark in my eyes. Compton, Root and Bell are the 3 realistic options. I'm leaning towards Bell as it would mask some of his falibility against spin and open a spot for Morgan at 5/6. Not sure the selectors will see it like that though!
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I think Root is one good knock away from getting picked after Compton's failure. I think they'll prefer Swann and Fat Sam to Monty, simply for the batting. May help Sam's case if Root plays as another spin option. Biggest issue is they have only 5 batsman of test class - cook, bell, kp, trott, prior and playing Finn/Monty/Anderson leaves a big tail. Puts alot of strain on Broad/Swann/Other to chip in with runs. Bairstow is fallable against spin, Root/Compton unknown and they still need to take 20 wickets. Think they'll pick Anderson, Broad, Bresnam, Swann and fudge some overs from Big Sam/Root.
India playing a load of lefties would help Swann out. I think the blueprint for India was SL last winter.
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At this moment in time I would look at:
Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Patel
Prior
Bresnan (or Finn if fit)
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Then you have Jimmy, Broad and Bresnan (or Finn) for seam.
Swann as main spin. Patel and Root for half decent spin.
Then KP and Trott if they need to fill a few overs or for the change to take a shock wicket! ;)
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I really rate Root but going from the Championship to a Test match in India is a big jump. I suppose nows as good a time as any and this is where Cook started so why not play him
For me you look at what the home side puts out and try and get near that team set-up. India will play 2 specialist spinners in every Test, plus 2 part-timers that are as good as Patel. We know the pitches will be spin-friendly. I think you have to rely on the top 7 to score the runs, Broad and Swann are every bit as good as Indias 8/9 so surely a number 10 who is a genuine tail-ender isnt the end of the world? Monty in for me!
My team at present (Im more Illingworth than Miller as a selector) :D
Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Patel/Morgan
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Panesar
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In my humble opinion, blooding any bloke who hasn't played a test before, let alone in India, is going to be a hard task. Compton got skittled after 3 balls yesterday, and Root just isn't there for me.
Why they are still ignoring Carberry is beyond me. I may be biased as a Hampshire boy, but he must have earnt it by now...
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I like Root but just don't think he's ready yet; people point to his championship runs this year but this was only in CC D2 massive step up from that to playing India on their home turf..
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In my humble opinion, blooding any bloke who hasn't played a test before, let alone in India, is going to be a hard task. Compton got skittled after 3 balls yesterday, and Root just isn't there for me.
Why they are still ignoring Carberry is beyond me. I may be biased as a Hampshire boy, but he must have earnt it by now...
I'm with you on Carberry, did nothing wrong in Bangladesh a couple of winters ago.
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i really don't see what the hype about patel is but after his 100 i think you have to pick him ,my team would be
cook
compton
trott
kp
bell
prior
patel
broad
swann
anderson
finn (if fit ,if not bresnan)
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In my humble opinion, blooding any bloke who hasn't played a test before, let alone in India, is going to be a hard task. Compton got skittled after 3 balls yesterday, and Root just isn't there for me.
Why they are still ignoring Carberry is beyond me. I may be biased as a Hampshire boy, but he must have earnt it by now...
India is one of the the easiest places to start off as an opener though, reasonably tame seam attack and flat slow wickets.
The opposite case of those in the middle and lower order with the bat though.
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this is why I think Ian Bell should open and have a bit of freedom to attack - the Cook Bell ODI partnership has worked ok - I think this a much better idea than trying an uncapped opener.
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this is why I think Ian Bell should open and have a bit of freedom to attack - the Cook Bell ODI partnership has worked ok - I think this a much better idea than trying an uncapped opener.
Id like to see Ian Bell opening and Morgan slotting in at 5.
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Bairstow scoring a few with the slaz retro range and putting in a strong efforts to make the team for the 1st test I think
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Its interesting that there are all of a sudden so many people with a genuine claim to a spot int he England side yet so little clarity about who should be selected. To whit, there is a spot opening and one at six that are totally up in the air, as well as the bowling slots - and its interesting that depsite 95 and 54 in the last South Africa test almost noone thinks that Bairstow should be given the nod.
What would I do? Well, I would be inclined to go left field. Bell is not going to play the second test and is weak against spin so why pick him for the first when a line up of:
Cook
Root/Compton
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Patel
Prior
Broad
Swann
Finn (if fit - if not Bresnan)
Panesar
might do the job better. I appreciate that leaving Anderson out is not going to happen in the real world, but I do not feel that five overs with the ball swinging a bit will off set his lack of overs/threat for the remainder of the innings. Plus he can be rested for tests that do need his brand of skills.
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Interesting but unrealistic. If Bell wasn't going to play in this test he wouldn't have flown out yet. And Anderson will undoubtedly play the 1st match at least
I do like your team set-up though with Patel as the 3rd spinner not the 2nd. And a middle order including KP, Morgan and Prior gives England real potential to accelerate after a steady start from the usual suspects at the top. Bairstow is an interesting one, if the selectors are consistent he must be above Morgan in the pecking order?
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I think it's shaping up for this:-
Cook
Trott - might as well he's been doing that job so far thanks to Compton
Bell
Pietersen
Bairstow
Patel
Prior
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Anderson
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Really like that team Buzz!
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Except Finn ahead of Bresnan if fit
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Interesting but unrealistic. If Bell wasn't going to play in this test he wouldn't have flown out yet. And Anderson will undoubtedly play the 1st match at least
I do like your team set-up though with Patel as the 3rd spinner not the 2nd. And a middle order including KP, Morgan and Prior gives England real potential to accelerate after a steady start from the usual suspects at the top. Bairstow is an interesting one, if the selectors are consistent he must be above Morgan in the pecking order?
I didn't say it was necessarily realistic, but it is how I would look at things; I don't see that much point in playing three seamers when the number of threatening overs they can bowl is capped at around 30 per day - even allowing for a bouncer burst at some of the Indian middle order players. Three spinners is a much better way to go.
As for Bairstow, I suspect that there is a bit of reluctance to over expose him given that he has struggled with spin in the past - he'll almost certainly come back into the side in NZ immediately afterward.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/engine/current/match/565802.html
Bairstow in the runs - Morgan and Fat Sammy too. Compton failed again, and Bell struggled...
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Cook
Root
Trott
Kp
Patel
Bairstow
Prior
Swann
Finn (Bresnan)
Anderson
Panesar
Compton has failed, and isnt an opener. he scored all his runs last year at 3 or 4 unless im mistaken
Bairstow should be ahead of Morgan after the SA series
Realistically i dont think theyd select Patel as high as 5, and Bell would probably fit in there somewhere instead.
And they wont drop Broad as he's vice captain and seemingly untouchable
But this is the side id like to see
Trott, Root and KP can bowl a few overs if required
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Feel sorry for Compton he played so well in the County Championship, people need to realise that India is a very different place to England the conditions are at the other end of the scale. I do think the neither Root or Compton should open my team would be,
Cook
Trott
Bell
Pietersen
Bairstow
Patel
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/20313758
The Wall has spoken
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Tbh I'd play Panesar, Swann, Patel, Broad and Anderson anyway!
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Cook (c)
Compton
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Patel
Prior (wk)
Broad
Swann
Panesar
Anderson
This should be the team but I can't see England being that brave unfortunately.
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I'd like to see that team too
Sounds like it'll be a very important toss to win - bat first while the pitch is still... a pitch
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Cook (c)
Compton
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Patel
Prior (wk)
Broad
Swann
Panesar
Anderson
This should be the team but I can't see England being that brave unfortunately.
Exactly what I'd pick. But like you said they wont be that brave.
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Another motorway it seems like...
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Sewag wearing two different brand gloves? Sg on his top hand and bas on his bottom hand?
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Is Bresnan on a holiday or something? He is just rolling the arm over.... No pace at all!
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I've got no time for sloggers in test matches!!!!
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Disappointed in England to say the least. Why can't we look at the opposition team and see that at least two proper spinners is minimum. C'mon lads it took us long enough to realise in the UAE that we needed 2 proper spinners
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here comes the big man
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How do you shut up an indian crowd? Dismiss Tendulkar!
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Disappointed in England to say the least. Why can't we look at the opposition team and see that at least two proper spinners is minimum. C'mon lads it took us long enough to realise in the UAE that we needed 2 proper spinners
I think the argument is that they played with two spinners lost and drew. Then played with one spinner and won.
But I agree two spinners is needed on this wicket and Broad/Bresnan have been poor in my eyes, for what they can do.
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I think the argument is that they played with two spinners lost and drew. Then played with one spinner and won.
But I agree two spinners is needed on this wicket and Broad/Bresnan have been poor in my eyes, for what they can do.
On green tops prepared by India
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i think the other issue was broad's injury coming into the game... would you want to pick two seamers only, especially if one has just come back from a minor injury
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i think the other issue was broad's injury coming into the game... would you want to pick two seamers only, especially if one has just come back from a minor injury
Then don't pick the injured one.
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y would u try and claim that WTF! lol
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I don't think Bresnan's been fully fit since his elbow surgery... He's had a lot of strapping on it ever since...
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I don't think Bresnan's been fully fit since his elbow surgery... He's had a lot of strapping on it ever since...
Looking at the size of him, I don't think he's ever been fully fit!!
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This statement from Dravid bothered me after Day 1 of a test match...
India will be extremely happy with 323-4 on a wearing wicket
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we knew they would produce dusty turners. they cant win away from home so have to do something to make themselves look better. the bit that worries me is why would you relay a pitch 2 months before a test match and change the structure of it. with less clay and more sand/soil how is it ever going to hold together for more than a day or 2. it already looked like the batsman were building sandcastles at the crease at lunch! it screams of desperation.
if that was the uk the ECB pitch inspectors would be showing up on days 2 and 3 rubbing their hands together and getting the old fine book out.
i think dhoni made his point clear the day or 2 before the start. he said it looks very dry already. bet he struggled to hide the smiles when he won the toss.
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This looks like one of the worst fielding sides England have produced in a very long time. Prior's a decent keeper (thought he still missed a stumping and a half-chance catch today) Anderson is usually excellent (though also missed a chance of getting Pujara on 8 today) and Bell's pretty good. The rest are average at best. We don't have any top-notch slippers (having lost freddie, strauss, and colly over the last three years). We have a few decent fielders in the wings in Bairstow and Morgan, but the one change everyone seems to be talking about is bringing Monty into the team..
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-england-2012/content/image/558821.html
Sorry to wheel out the cliches but catches win matches. init.
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saw the last few overs today. Unless it dusts up and just flattens, so tracks do, England to lose badly. Biggest issue in Asia is England losing the toss. Lost all the tosses v Pakistan and also here. When the main way to win in Asia is bowl on a roughed up pitch, batting 2nd and 4th is pretty much conceding the game.
Last time England won in India they batted first.
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agree about the toss, seems important everywhere but on decks like that the outcome is too much of an advantage in my opinion.
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Looking at the size of him, I don't think he's ever been fully fit!!
OOH! Low blow! :D
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This looks like one of the worst fielding sides England have produced in a very long time. Prior's a decent keeper (thought he still missed a stumping and a half-chance catch today) Anderson is usually excellent (though also missed a chance of getting Pujara on 8 today) and Bell's pretty good. The rest are average at best. We don't have any top-notch slippers (having lost freddie, strauss, and colly over the last three years). We have a few decent fielders in the wings in Bairstow and Morgan, but the one change everyone seems to be talking about is bringing Monty into the team..
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-england-2012/content/image/558821.html[/url]
Sorry to wheel out the cliches but catches win matches. init.
I wouldn't worry about Monty dropping the odd catch. The main worry is that 3 seamers have failed to get a wicket between them on the first day of a Test match. Not sure how often thats happened in the history of the game. Conditions are not going to get any better for bowling quick in this match or probably for the rest of the series.
Lots of pressure on Patel and Bresnan to get runs when England bat
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Going in with 3 seamers does seem like a very strange thing to do. I would stop short of calling it an ''immature' decision as Farouk Engineer did (you wonder whether he knows what immature means?!!!) but it is an odd one. Maybe they rate Patel's bowling high enough to feel as though they have gone in with 2 spinners?
I have never fancied Broad to be anything other than an economical option in the sub-continent. Anderson's record isn't great (which is unsurprising) in India whilst Bresnan, if he can reverse it might prove to be inspired but that's a big IF. That does only leave Swann as a definite wicket threat (as he has shown today). Seems very odd to me...
Can't really see England winning this test or any other in this series. I don't really care though.......Losing in these conditions to India merely shows that India are good at home but useless anywhere else and England can't play spin. But we knew all that already didn't we? ;)
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they went with 3 seamers because they couldn't risk Stuart Broad's bruised heel. Bresnan seems short of his usual heavy ball.
this pitch is shocking. it is a complete win the toss win the match pitch. I genuinely don't think it is appropriate for a test match to provide a totally dead pitch.
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i dont see why our batters cant pile the runs on aswell and force a draw hopefully
their pace attack isnt anything special, khans losing form and fitness
ok they have 2 frontline spinners, but they are both pretty orthodox, neither have a mystery ball, like ajmal and rehman who caused problems in UAE
its a flat track by looks of things, the top 3 will have the chance to bat long and in no real rush, just like they prefer too
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i dont see why our batters cant pile the runs on aswell and force a draw hopefully
their pace attack isnt anything special, khans losing form and fitness
ok they have 2 frontline spinners, but they are both pretty orthodox, neither have a mystery ball, like ajmal and rehman who caused problems in UAE
its a flat track by looks of things, the top 3 will have the chance to bat long and in no real rush, just like they prefer too
Rehman had a mystery ball? By my memory he got wickets from his accuracy and varying trajectory more then anything unorthodox. Much like Herath who took wickets against England shortly after. Lets not kid ourselves that England only have a problem against 'mystery' spin. England have problems playing any decent spin on sub-continental pitches
Ashwin has plenty of variations, he just doesn't bowl them as accurately or stealthily as Ajmal
When England do get to bat it will be a massive test. If they get through it and come away with a draw the confidence gained in the batting line-up will be handy to push on and win a Test somewhere in the series. IF they select the right team
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yeh well i suppose your right
All i can hope for is that the batters have learnt from their failings last winter, and can banish some demons here
Batting long and digging in comes fairly naturally to our top 3, so if they can set a decent platform, the rest of the order have the ability to up the scoring rate if and when required (in theory)
Albeit a rather negative viewpoint, i think if we can muster a drawn series here, it will be a very positive result, and some way to quieting the critics. But there is plenty of cricket to be played yet
Fingers crossed
Should make for interesting viewing late on day 2 and into day 3, if we last that long haha
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May I ask, at the risk of being yelled at and put in my place, why oh why are ppl complaining about the pitch...
If you are playing at the top most level then you are supposed to be able to bat on any pitch and make runs, similarly take wickets. When India tour Eng and get blown out of the park the normal stance is "well you should be able to play swing and seam, T-20 (IPL) is ruining cricket",,,along the same lines should england not be able to play and bowl spin??
now I agree this pitch is a shame for test cricket but common I don't think WI greats would worried too much about the pitch or Mcgrath would have grumbled...they knew how to take wickets...prob is most teams today are one dimensional i.e. they perform well when conditions suit them and struggle against even small adversities...If Eng had won the toss, played 2 spinners and add KP as part timer managing to win the match then the pitch would have been "Okay"
Also most nations tailor their pitches to their teams needs
Eng is seaming/swinging, SA has bounce, Aus used to be fast, India has always been a dustbowl, spinning tracks so why so much surprise!!
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May I ask, at the risk of being yelled at and put in my place, why oh why are ppl complaining about the pitch...
If you are playing at the top most level then you are supposed to be able to bat on any pitch and make runs, similarly take wickets. When India tour Eng and get blown out of the park the normal stance is "well you should be able to play swing and seam, T-20 (IPL) is ruining cricket",,,along the same lines should england not be able to play and bowl spin??
now I agree this pitch is a shame for test cricket but common I don't think WI greats would worried too much about the pitch or Mcgrath would have grumbled...they knew how to take wickets...prob is most teams today are one dimensional i.e. they perform well when conditions suit them and struggle against even small adversities...If Eng had won the toss, played 2 spinners and add KP as part timer managing to win the match then the pitch would have been "Okay"
Also most nations tailor their pitches to their teams needs
Eng is seaming/swinging, SA has bounce, Aus used to be fast, India has always been a dustbowl, spinning tracks so why so much surprise!!
I agree. Surely this pitch hasn't come as a shock to anyone in the England set-up?
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Personally I think that for this series, cricket is the sideshow. the real story is the bcci restriction and charging on press outside the icc rules. Need taking down a peg or two...
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Agree with you on this. India can't win in swinging conditions and England can't win on spinning tracks. Apart from south africa and australia all test playing nations are one dimensional.
May I ask, at the risk of being yelled at and put in my place, why oh why are ppl complaining about the pitch...
If you are playing at the top most level then you are supposed to be able to bat on any pitch and make runs, similarly take wickets. When India tour Eng and get blown out of the park the normal stance is "well you should be able to play swing and seam, T-20 (IPL) is ruining cricket",,,along the same lines should england not be able to play and bowl spin??
now I agree this pitch is a shame for test cricket but common I don't think WI greats would worried too much about the pitch or Mcgrath would have grumbled...they knew how to take wickets...prob is most teams today are one dimensional i.e. they perform well when conditions suit them and struggle against even small adversities...If Eng had won the toss, played 2 spinners and add KP as part timer managing to win the match then the pitch would have been "Okay"
Also most nations tailor their pitches to their teams needs
Eng is seaming/swinging, SA has bounce, Aus used to be fast, India has always been a dustbowl, spinning tracks so why so much surprise!!
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Agree with you on this. India can't win in swinging conditions and England can't win on spinning tracks. Apart from south africa and australia all test playing nations are one dimensional.
given that neither aus or SA have a spinner of note, I would say they are pretty one dimensional. the Saffas have the advantage due to having Amla, Kallis and AB who are phenomenal players of spin.
the aussies have Clarke who is also a brilliant player of spin.
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I agree. Surely this pitch hasn't come as a shock to anyone in the England set-up?
Yep. It's not really as if any other sort of pitch can be prepared is it?
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I think firstly saying India are poor abroad and can only win at home is not right, if people look at stats in the last decade we have won more tests abroad then England and although we got thrashed in England and Australia two tours do not make you a bad team abroad much like England getting whitewashed in UAE and losing badly to SA a bad team. This is international sport and test cricket being one of the hardest tests of a players skill, patience and endurance and many other factors too.
England today made a mess of some pretty simple chances today which could have changed the complexion of the game...then you have Trott trying to claim that catch that never was.. what a joke it was embarrassing to watch the replies..
Why do India not have a right to play to its strengths and play home advantage, England great Ian Botham and Alex Stewart said India have every right to do this..If India come to England do they get spinning tracks??
If people have watched Cricket in India in the last 7/8 years (test cricket) which I have you will know that the pitches have in general been so docile and flat that watching the games for people has been so boring and dull with teams racking up 500 and games being drawn..hence why the crowds are so poor!! I remember in the 90's when the grounds were full and pitches used to spin and bounce..like Dhoni said he would love to see pitches in India where spinners hit the ribcage..I do agree that this should not happen from day one but from day three I think the pitches should be made so they spin or bounce..from my point of you it is great seeing a quality bolwer like Swann and Ashwin getting turn and bounce and testing the batsmen otherwise it would be boring to watch...
I do not think this game is over..I think England could dig dip and score some big runs too as the pitch is slow hence the spin slow turn which can be played easily..maybe not by England..
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only thing I would say is that I think it is a shame when winning the toss presents such an obvious advantage in terms of chances of winning the game
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you forgot Mr cricket there who is brilliant player of spin as well.
given that neither aus or SA have a spinner of note, I would say they are pretty one dimensional. the Saffas have the advantage due to having Amla, Kallis and AB who are phenomenal players of spin.
the aussies have Clarke who is also a brilliant player of spin.
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you forgot Mr cricket there who is brilliant player of spin as well.
black mark to me! you are of course totally correct.
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I've got no time for sloggers in test matches!!!!
And last night Piers Morgan named Sehwag in his Test XI, LOL!
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And last night Piers Morgan named Sehwag in his Test XI, LOL!
If the game was to be played on a motorway then he would be in everyones, not quite got the footwork for anything other than roads
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I've got no time for sloggers in test matches!!!!
Thank you! Someone who is on the same boat as me, its just boring to watch, you know what he's going to do. I'd much rather watch someone construct an innings more so than blaze their way. I wrote on twitter, and got some tweets back claiming I was idiotic. However the person who tweeted was a sunday slogger with no technique whatsoever.
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I hate sloggers, Beefy, Gilchrist, Sehwag, Flintoff, Dhoni, Gibbs,Jayasuriya, Gayle ... silly chaps they are,never enjoyed watching them bat, lol
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Sloggers these guys might be, but then they present their teams an opportunity to set-up a game in their favour or even turn around a game on its head and change a assumed loss to a win.
Slogger or a technically sound batsman, it takes talent to play at this level and scorin a 100 against any opposition on any sort of track. If this wasn't the case them most of us on this forum would be playing international cricket.
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That was tongue in cheek Yash ;). Very few things can beat watching Viru or Gilchrist punishing the opposition and changing a Test match in the space of a session?
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This Pujara guy has some shades of Rahul Dravid, looks very similar at times.
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29-3
It's not looking very good is it
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Well, it could be worse...
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This is going to be a minefield if we get as far as the 4th innings! That ball from YS landed halfway down and just died.
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got to say I do like the telegraphs photos of the match so far
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/picturegalleries/9680093/India-v-England-first-Test-in-the-only-pictures-available.html#?frame=2400588
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got to say I do like the telegraphs photos of the match so far
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/picturegalleries/9680093/India-v-England-first-Test-in-the-only-pictures-available.html#?frame=2400588[/url]
haha that's brilliant
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I love that! Great spot, I hope they continue doing it for the whole series!
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That's Alan Tyers, probably one of the funniest cricket writers out there at the moment.
He had an amazing feature on Cricinfo called Spycam, you can still find it in the archives on Page 2. Worth a read to kill an hour
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top find that! surely can only be a one off though
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hahahaha epic!
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only thing I would say is that I think it is a shame when winning the toss presents such an obvious advantage in terms of chances of winning the game
Yeah that's what I dislike. Its nearly impossible to lose the game on this type of surface if you win the toss.
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Beauty to get rid of KP and surprising (first ball) shot selection from IB
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AC plying well, hope he get a big one
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OMG! AC gone - wanted him to get a big one, just love to watch him play.
Great flighted delivery from Ashwin.
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Prior playing with a blank TON bat and SS pads and gloves!!
Surprising SS could not make him a pair of pads confirming to ICC specs on placement of logo - tape to cover SS logo.
From a marketing perspective, would "SS" have the same effect as "TON". I would prefer bat with "SS" branding
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OMG! Prior very nearly did a Yuvi - put down on a full toss - Zak you duffer
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Finally some pace in the game - Umesh Yadav come on, I was almost of to sleep just watching the spinners and the "pie-chukker" bowl.
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OMG! Prior very nearly did a Yuvi - put down on a full toss - Zak you duffer
Matt prior has a lot to do now, 8 down!
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They've got us by the balls, i wouldnt enforce the follow and let us mull over it but dhoni knows best. Our dark nemesis raising its ugly head
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Ian Bell is facing some abuse from Sir Geoff!
any money on him getting a king pair?
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Ian Bell is facing some abuse from Sir Geoff!
any money on him getting a king pair?
That was a pretty extradinary shot when he was 4-60 and 500 runs behind.
As an Australian happy to see both teams lose and therefore neutral, I reckon this is a pretty ordinary test wicket.
Obviously nobody was expecting a greentop, but an actual turf wicket would have been a good start to a cricket game.
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With the score 111-0 over night... Do you think that David Shepherd would stand on one leg all night?? :D
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At last some grit from England, Captain Cook was a class act today and prior stood up. Still loads to do & Ironically No DRS is India's downfall haha.
Also Nick Knight is absolutely clueless get Butcher involved.
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If the Indians had DRS, the test would have been already over as Cook would have been out LBW for circa 40.
They have shot themselves in the foot as Cook now looks determined to bat forever.
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If the Indians had DRS, the test would have been already over as Cook would have been out LBW for circa 40.
They have shot themselves in the foot as Cook now looks determined to bat forever.
Patel would probably have hit a double hundred by now.
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Patel would probably have hit a double hundred by now.
To be fair he's been out a few times before his shockers.
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Though they will probably still win, India's fitness looks very suspect. I wondered what 60 odd overs each for the spinners and 2 days in the field would do to them. If Cook/Prior can hang around another session things will get very interesting with the bowling flagging. I'd back our tail to bat out a session if one of Cook/Prior is still there.
India are the worst fielding side in test cricket by a long way. Duncan Fletcher must be getting paid alot to keep quiet on that front.
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Great effort in the second innings, big chance it will be a draw.
I'd bring Finn and Panesar in for the next game (Broad and Anderson out).
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Will they have the guts isnt Broad vice captain, & Anderson leader of the bowling attack?
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I can see them leaving Bresnan out for Panesar - but I think it's unlikely they will change their 4 bowler policy.
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Will they have the guts isnt Broad vice captain, & Anderson leader of the bowling attack?
Broad's been awful for ages, Anderson doesn't look like getting batsmen out on their tracks
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Not disagreeing at all suspect Bresnan may be the fall guy through no fault of his own.
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Or they'll make no changes
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Definately one change as Bell is coming home, not sure if Morgan will get the nod because he is a lefty, or bairstow.
the next game starts on Friday, so Finn may play too.
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Anderson is terrible in Asia, his average is 4 runs higher per wicket than his career average. Shocking.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/8608.html?class=1;continent=2;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;orderby=default;template=results;type=allround
Anderson and Broad did a terrific job in the UAE last year. I think we'll see:-
Cook
Compton
Trott
Pieterson (lucky)
Morgan
Bairstow
Prior
Broad
Swann
Panesar
Anderson
No reason for pie chucker/eater Samit with Monty is playing. KP can bowl a few overs of spin also. Big issue with 2 seamer attack is if the wicket helps the seamers in the first session. Your change option is Trott! Play Bresnan and Prior bats six instead of 7 and the specialist batsman only number 5.
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I'm not sure Samit will be dropped. He had 2 stinking LBW decisions in this game. I think Bairstow for Bell and Panesar for Bresnan will be the changes. They may contemplate Finn for Broad.
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If Cook saves this match he will turn out to be undisputedly one of the best English captain IMHO.
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If Cook saves this match he will turn out to be undisputedly one of the best English captain IMHO.
no chance, it's just a good performance by a few individuals. If he gets some sort of result in the whole series, then we can start to talk like that.
He's got a lot to do as a captain.
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Swann out playing a switch hit in a test match where they are getting pumped?? I hope that's a misprint on the cricinfo site....
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unfortunately it wasn't a misprint. Awful shot giving the circumstances - Swann will never bat in another way though.
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Swann's one of only 3 players to bother turning up, so pretty hard to have a go at him.
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just hope england win the toss next fri, will make it a lot easier not to get smashed.
alot of draws in India, even 1-0 is a long way back
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Poor game by England with the exception of a couple
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Poor game by England with the exception of a couple
I agree. trott's drop of the Indian no3 when he was on 8 really cost the team. but to not lose a test in India, 400 in the first innings is crucial. Bresnan and Broad were toothless, it will be interesting to see if they drop the vice captain.
he is on of those players whose stats seem to flatter him. as many others, I remain not a fan.
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So - changes for the next test..
Personally I wish we had another spin option other than Monty - I tend to agree with the Duncan Fletcher school of thought that says everyone should offer more than just one thing to the team. Bringing in Monty weakens both the batting and the fielding. He has to take top order wickets and provide control to justify his place in the team.
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I agree. trott's drop of the Indian no3 when he was on 8 really cost the team. but to not lose a test in India, 400 in the first innings is crucial. Bresnan and Broad were toothless, it will be interesting to see if they drop the vice captain.
he is on of those players whose stats seem to flatter him. as many others, I remain not a fan.
for me we have to drop bresnan and broad. neither bowled with any pace and neither looked likely to get a wicket. I would bring in finn and monty. that extends the tail slightly but to be honest the way broad is batting at the moment i think finn and monty may hang around longer. Jimmy and finn to open and then rotate around the spinners. see if sewag and pujara like a bit more pace on the ball.
Batting wise i think the middle order has been terrible. the only ones who can hold their heads up are compton ( for the second innings- showed alot of skill and mental strength on debut) cook and prior. Bell needs a bat wrapped around his head for his first innings shot and trott and kp need to wake up. i really dont understand what kp was trying to do against ojha. his first innings he pushed the bat in circles rather than playing straight and got out to an average delivery which i could have kept out.
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So - changes for the next test..
Personally I wish we had another spin option other than Monty - I tend to agree with the Duncan Fletcher school of thought that says everyone should offer more than just one thing to the team. Bringing in Monty weakens both the batting and the fielding. He has to take top order wickets and provide control to justify his place in the team.
I actually rate Monty I think he is an excellent game changing spin bowler
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for me we have to drop bresnan and broad. neither bowled with any pace and neither looked likely to get a wicket. I would bring in finn and monty. that extends the tail slightly but to be honest the way broad is batting at the moment i think finn and monty may hang around longer. Jimmy and finn to open and then rotate around the spinners. see if sewag and pujara like a bit more pace on the ball.
Batting wise i think the middle order has been terrible. the only ones who can hold their heads up are compton ( for the second innings- showed alot of skill and mental strength on debut) cook and prior. Bell needs a bat wrapped around his head for his first innings shot and trott and kp need to wake up. i really dont understand what kp was trying to do against ojha. his first innings he pushed the bat in circles rather than playing straight and got out to an average delivery which i could have kept out.
I agree with this, though bell will obviously be out two and I'm not really sure I fancy Bairstow or Morgan to come in and offer much.
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One thing I'd be tempted to do based on his perfromances here and last winter is to bat Prior at five for the next test!
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theres def a debate there about Prior's postion, really dont see them moving him from 7. think they like him counter-attacking from there
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on recent form etc, why not let him counter attack an over earlier?
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I think half of the England team are like little spoilt school kids.. If they don't play in favourable conditions or if things don't go there way then they give up.. Take there bat and ball and go home.
I was never a big fan of Michael Clarke but I will say that he goes out to win every game... He gives his team the chance to win if they are good enough and for that reason I think he will go down as a great captain... And not that it matters but he has changed my thoughts on him as a player.
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I think they have too many mediocre "allrounders" for the Indian conditions.
Samit just cant apply any pressure cos he bowls 1-2 poor balls an over.... appreciate he copped some bad decisions with the bat, but he really needed to contribute with the ball to warrant being picked. I'd replace him with Monty.
Bresnan.... Usually I find him a handy cricketer, dont know if he is not fit or what, but he was dismal...... I'd replace him with a batsman, be it Bairstow or Morgan.
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I actually rate Monty I think he is an excellent game changing spin bowler
He's certainly the best english spinner in the championship, but it was only 6 months or so ago that he was dropped in Sri Lanka. I hope you're right and he bags a shed load of wickets.
If he does play (and I'm assuming Bresnan would lose out as a result) I suspect Broad will retain his place in favour of Finn to bolster a weakened tail. I also think Patel will keep his place as they won't want to make too many changes and be accused of hitting the panic button - he did show good form with the bat in the warm ups and plays spin well. Incidentally I wonder what he thought of Dhoni's quip about the Indians having to take more than 20 wickets..
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My concern in dropping a seamer for Finn, and playing 2 spinners as we all predict, is if Finn pulls up in a 4 man attack, we're left with one seamer. Given Finns was supposed to be out for longer and a thigh injury could lead to him missing the winter, is it worth the risk when whoever the seamers are will be largely ineffective? I cant see Flower dropping a batsman given the lack of runs made outside of Cook and Prior in the test. Plus Bell not being there, despite poor form, will make him even more cautious.
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I agree. plus panasar is not the answer.
my team would be...(but this won't be the team)
Cook, compton, KP(yes at 3) Morgan, trott, patel, prior then broad, swann, anderson and Finn.
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Morgan as high as 4???? and instead of Bairstow? yes your right,that wont be the team.
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Cook,Compton,kp,bairstow,trot,prior,Patel,swan,broad,Anderson,panasar
Big ask but use trott as 3rd seamer
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I agree. plus panasar is not the answer.
my team would be...(but this won't be the team)
Cook, compton, KP(yes at 3) Morgan, trott, patel, prior then broad, swann, anderson and Finn.
Nope - I think you've got to give Monts a bash - I'd go for -
Cook, Compton, Trott, KP, Morgan, Bairstow, Prior, Broad, Swann, Monty and Finn.
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all about a better balance of strokeplayers and blockers and splitting up the right handers.
tough on bairstow, but he will be back.
broad over Anderson fattus, bigggg call!
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I want only 3 seamers with one of them trott
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If they don't play 2 specialist spinners its madness. Also winning the toss is paramount as a lot of England's chances rely on this. Bairstow in for Bell, Monty in for Broad and Meaker or Finn in for Bresnan. Lets take 20 wickets
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Morgan has his chance in UAE
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my team would be Cook, Compton, Trott, KP, Morgan, Patel, Prior, Bresnan, Swann, Finn/Anderson, Panesar.
2 frontline spinners plus fill in from Patel & KP.
Seamers in short bursts
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broad over Anderson fattus, bigggg call!
Livelier track in prospect for Friday.
Broad is poocakes at the moment, but he could be used as a stock bowler and bolster the batting for my line-up. Also, I think we are more likely to bounce them out than swing them out.
This is of course subject to Finn passing a rigorous fitness test, otherwise Ando is back in.
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I think broad has become the Gerrard of English cricket
The press and shove how talented they are no matter what and they almost,can't be dropped no matter what
Hope I'm wrong
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Interesting that no more than 6 months ago we were all singing the praises of the seam bowlers we had at our disposal....Other than Anderson and Finn we don't actually seem to really have that much do we? Where have they all gone? Tremmers is a big miss for me.....he could have been a handful for India....
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Interesting that no more than 6 months ago we were all singing the praises of the seam bowlers we had at our disposal....Other than Anderson and Finn we don't actually seem to really have that much do we? Where have they all gone? Tremmers is a big miss for me.....he could have been a handful for India....
I agree, I think the seamers need to be ought and ought quick bowlers out there because they get little help from the conditions.
I'd bring Morgan in for bell, Finn in for broad and monty for Bresnan
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the seamers have read too much of their own press.
and haven't anything to bowl at.
the batsmen have not played well enough.
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I agree, I think the seamers need to be ought and ought quick bowlers out there because they get little help from the conditions.
I'd bring Morgan in for bell, Finn in for broad and monty for Bresnan
Swann at 8 and Anderson at 9 - OUCH!!
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Like Canners I think our quick bowlers should actually be 'quick' especially in the sub continent where they aren't going to get any sideways movement. Finn is sharp but Broad, Bresnan and Anderson are barely more than medium fast these days. I'd like to see Bresnan and Broad dropped and Finn and Meaker brought in. I know bringing in Meaker is a gamble but he does offer something the other bowlers don't....proper pace and a skiddy action that could work well on these wickets.....
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I would like to see Meaker play too, but I think he is short of match practice. he is only a 9 at best with the bat, which isn't helpful...
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Fair point about the lack of match practice Buzz......I do rate the guy very highly though.....he has the ability to beat people with pure pace and that's rare these days. I hope his time will come.......and that it's not too far away!
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not sure about that. For me the big thing is England have sacred cows - Bell, Broad, Anderson - whpo are undroppable even when theteam does not really need them.
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I'd really like to see them assess the wicket and have the following team!
Cook
Root (spin)
Trott (occasional medium)
KP (occasional spin)
Compton
Bairstow
Prior
Broad or Finn (pace)
Swann (spin)
Anderson (pace)
Monty (spin)
I can't see them playing Compton and Root - but I reckon that wouldn't be a bad balance! (shoot me down in flames guys!)
But failing that then I'd have Compton at 2, and have Patel or Morgan instead of Root (but batting at 6 instead)
Bowl Finn if his fitness and injury is REALLY fully mended! Otherwise Broad!
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I'd really like to see them assess the wicket and have the following team!
Cook
Root (spin)
Trott (occasional medium)
KP (occasional spin)
Compton
Bairstow
Prior
Broad or Finn (pace)
Swann (spin)
Anderson (pace)
Monty (spin)
I can't see them playing Compton and Root - but I reckon that wouldn't be a bad balance! (shoot me down in flames guys!)
But failing that then I'd have Compton at 2, and have Patel or Morgan instead of Root (but batting at 6 instead)
Actually Pete I can see your logic in having both Root and Compton. The only thing is, I'd keep Compton at te top of the order and slotRoot in at four or five. He's young and relatively inexperienced and Comptonis more used to this..
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Finn out of second Test.
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What a return for Monty! and his crazy eyes celebration had me in stitches :D
Who misses the 3rd seamer now?
Anderson has bowled well without much luck, Broad disappointing
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Great effort so far from the spinners, all I can say about Broad is he better score some runs and hope Finn stays injured.
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The way this pitch is playing, we'll be following on again. India to open with their spinners?
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Don't think we'll see many overs of seam that's for sure. Not really sure what Broads role in this side is, and worried Bairstow (amongst others) could really be shown up playing so much spin.
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Broad's role? Surely that of the promising young up and coming seamer who will be good at an unspecified point in the middle distance? :P
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I think he's fast becoming the bowling equivalent of bell, really frustrating 80% of the time, but when he does click he's unplayable and you remember it for ages. Both of them do my head in.
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Anyone else wondering if Pujara is going to start signing autographs with an asterix after his name?
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See how he fairs outside of India, I doubt he'll last long in South Africa or Australia
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Get broad off, he's making Ashwin look like Laxman
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"not much more than net bowling" according to cricinfo...
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dont understand why broad is bowling
clearly spinners have been keeping it tight and creating pressue
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dont understand why broad is bowling
clearly spinners have been keeping it tight and creating pressue
All the more reason to play Meaker, if we are picking an unfit broad so we don't weaken the batting it's embarassing.
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^Totally agree, If Broad is going to bowl like this then there is absolutely no reason not to play Meaker. And before anyone points out how our batting will be weakened I'd like to say that I doubt seriously whether Broad will get into double figures on this tour! :D
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Pujara with back to back tons.
Great stat on sky, 22 hundreds in the last 15 days of cricket.
#Prolific
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This guys a great follow on twitter, his commentary is golden
@51allout: England's bowling with this new ball has been about as threatening as Samit Patel in a salad bar. #IndvEng
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51allout is a decent website, was started by some posters from the football356 forum
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Why are they even persisting with Samit Patel when Joe Root is in the wings who is a better bat and can also bowl some offspin? Would be a perfect spot at number 6 to bring him into test cricket
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Why are they even persisting with Samit Patel when Joe Root is in the wings who is a better bat and can also bowl some offspin? Would be a perfect spot at number 6 to bring him into test cricket
a bit unfair on patel, given he was the victim of two poor decisions in the first test. he hasnt really done much wrong. reckon he deserves a chance.
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a bit unfair on patel, given he was the victim of two poor decisions in the first test. he hasnt really done much wrong. reckon he deserves a chance.
What has he ever done right to deserve the chance in the first place?
In first class cricket he averages under 40 with the bat and just under 40 with the ball and averages only 30 in ODI's!
Root averages the same with the bat at 21 years old and will only get better. If Patel was any good he would have done something by now
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I agree that Root looks a good option but to be fair, Kieron_BT is right.
He deserves a chance since he was one of the only ones to get runs in the warm ups.
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What has he ever done right to deserve the chance in the first place?
In first class cricket he averages under 40 with the bat and just under 40 with the ball and averages only 30 in ODI's!
Root averages the same with the bat at 21 years old and will only get better. If Patel was any good he would have done something by now
Patel was the only player (except Morgan) we had at the T20 WC who looked like he knew which end of the bat to hold against spin.
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a bit unfair on patel, given he was the victim of two poor decisions in the first test. he hasnt really done much wrong. reckon he deserves a chance.
I have always said that I really don't understand what it is that the England management see in Fat Sammy; he is a reasonable county player but has never offered anything to suggest that he can be more than that - his bowling is sub-Yuvraj pie chucking and his batting unremarkable (whilst his appalling attitude to fitness and conditioning ought to be enough to rule him out entirely).
Having said all that, it ould have been harsh to drop him after the last game when he was triggered twice (batting being the primary reason he is there). If he fails here, maybe they will start to look at it mind...
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I think in these conditions, England will opt for Patel but when we get back home or out in Aus next year, Patel will not be so important as spin does not play such a huge role bowling and playing against it batting wise.
Root is definitely a better option for the long run.
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Monty with the important first wicket this morning - the break through that England needed and also a 5fer for him. Congrats Monty
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Trott is being inept now, too slow to react at slips drop Harbajhan, Monty's sixth victim.
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Indeed, especially as all of the hype Nick Knight gave Trott of being the best slip fielder ever. deluded bear
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what a day for England! well played cook and KP! still 149 behind, so the first session tomorrow is massively important. we really need another good day tomorrow.
lots of room for an Indian fight back tomorrow.
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New balance getting value for money at least
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New balance getting value for money at least
well, their bats last, like, forever....if you never bother to actually hit the ball!
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Indeed, especially as all of the hype Nick Knight gave Trott of being the best slip fielder ever. deluded bear
And he's not even the best fielder at Warwickshire! Rikki Clarke probably is the best slipper in the country though, and he IS a Bear...
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Maybe secnd best - reckon Tresco still nabs this though.
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Sky Commentary are talking at length about the JB dismissal
The Indian commentary are like nothing has ever happened haha
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Incredible six from KP, don't get out now push on
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India are effectively -8 for 5 what a day!!
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India 6-6 now!
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I agree. plus panasar is not the answer.
my team would be...(but this won't be the team)
Cook, compton, KP(yes at 3) Morgan, trott, patel, prior then broad, swann, anderson and Finn.
Sorry buzz hehe
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Bit premature to call KP and Panesars performances as match winning, I don't fancy chasing more than 50
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If we do not win 10 wickets and 180 runs
I would blame the rest because them 2 performances with Cook are match winning
Could be interesting though
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Sorry buzz hehe
that was before Finn was injured... cough, wink
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Panesars fielding has been abysmal to be fair :D I say drop him and bring in another medium pace 'allrounder' who might save a few 2s fielding at fine leg
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Just seen today's highlights. Kevin Pietersen's innings today reminded me of how he played Warne in the 05 Ashes with those sweep slogs and flat batted cover slaps. Great to watch and although off the field he may be a (No Swearing Please), on the field he is back to his best
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Class is permanent, and the guy's got a lot of it.
I agree though, his personality off the field does not help him one bit!
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Only England can fark this up now...
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Only England can fark this up now...
Have to admit that I checked the odds for an India win earlier! Seriously though England can't mess this up can they?
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Have to admit that I checked the odds for an India win earlier! Seriously though England can't mess this up can they?
One wicket early tomorrow, Harbajan or Gambhir; then the game is done.
Harbajan and Gambhir can be dangerous on their day!
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What total do people think is enough to make the England batsmen a bit twitchy?
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What total do people think is enough to make the England batsmen a bit twitchy?
150 lead
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150 lead
Your posting seems a bit eccentric lol, getting bored of you repeating every-one else's views or stating the bleeding obvious. You din't need to make 150+ posts a day to be a valued member of the forum...... tone it down a wee bit!
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Top bowling performance capped off with a small, but easy chase! Shame it had finished just as I turned the tv on!
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Well done england :) now Indians need to start complaining about the pitch ;) hehe we are overpaid!!!
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Well done england :) now Indians need to start complaining about the pitch ;) hehe we are overpaid!!!
England spinners outclassed their Indian counterparts by a long way. Wake-up call for Team India and the BCCI.
Being overpaid is a understatement - I think with all they money they spend most of the time spending it or planning how to spend it than thinking about the game.
High time SRT called it a day.
Monty was superb and a good lesson for Swann on how to live with playing second fiddle.
KP's knock set-up the game very well for England and I was very amused to see his highly controlled celebration.
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actually I thought Swann bowled as well as Monty did for the most part, especially with his tactical full bunger!
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actually I thought Swann bowled as well as Monty did for the most part, especially with his tactical full bunger!
Yes, inclined to agree there. Don't think Swann was second fiddle at all.
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Monty had more success due to most of India's batters being right handers. It's harder for a batsman to play the ball turning away from them
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the thingis, Monty is a one trick pony; admittedly he does that trick pretty damn well, and will always take wickets on surface that have good (ideally inconsistent) grip and bounce in them such as this one, the old deck at OT etc, but he does not have the subtlety of thought and approach to vary things when necessary, whereas Swann has grown into a very, very strong reader of the game who can adapt to a wide range of situations. When the conditions suit Monty, he might edge the returns but over a long period and a variety of conditions, its Swann every time.
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I haven't really seen much (any?) footage, but from reading various columns people are saying that Monty bowled very well on a wicket that suited him, but most would still back Swann as more versatile and able to make more of a contribution when conditions don't suit - I can't remember who, but someone did suggest that on turning wickets where we still pick 3 seamers, maybe Monty should get the nod ahead of Swann.
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^ this posted was written before I saw Manormanics reply, but he's eerily saying exactly the same thing
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Swann will never be 2nd fiddle to Monty. Watching it this morning it looked like he was talking him through his overs at times. Graeme Swann is a very intelligent bowler.
I am a big fan of Monty and would pick him in every game in these conditions alongside Swann. If I had to pick one spinner in more seamer friendly conditions it would be Swann every time regardless of their respective batting and fielding abilities. I rate him as a better bowler
Stuart MacGill often took more wickets than S K Warne in the Tests they played alongside each other yet no man in their right mind would pick him as first choice when Warne was available
What are the expected changes in the Indian line-up for the next Test? Is Tendulkar droppable?
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Funny and quite touching story coming out of India, not the first disagreement between these two either.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/unhappy-eden-gardens-pitch-curator-goes-medical-leave-074149358.html
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Dhoni is pathetic, my hatred for him grows and grows
I dont agree with anyone who says he is an amazing captain, I just cant see it
His keeping is terrible at times, his batting, in tests matches isnt up to the standard either
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interesting observation in the Times this morning to the effect that he is more interested in ODIs and gets bored quickly in Test cricket...
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demonstrates that boredom whilst batting
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I actually think Dhoni is one of the good guys! Granted he is not as good as the Indian fans and media seem to think but an overhyped Indian player is hardly a new thing is it? They only have to score a boundary to be classed in the top ten in the world!
I think Dhoni is under ridiculous pressure, both from the Indian media and fans and worse still, from his own board. It's the kind of pressure most would crack under. So when I read stories like this one about the pitches I do try and bear this all in mind.
Dhoni is a good player, not a great one but a good one. I think he's a good captain, again, not a great one but a good one. He was never as good as people said but he is not as bad as all that now!
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Just watching the test match, and I've got to say that Dhoni's general demeanour in the field is pretty awful.
He just seems to wonder around and watch the ball when it is hit to one of his fielders as if he'd rather be somewhere else. Compare it to Prior who is always moving around and talking I am beginning to wonder how long he has left as skipper.
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I'd comment as well that Dhoni must be feeling incredibly uncomfortable at the moment. England, who can't play in the sub-continent have shown up and, after losing the first test match convincingly, demonstrated very clearly that India perhaps aren't as good as the Indian Team, BCCI and Indian public think they are.
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Flat track bullies! The fielding is also completely different looking at the India team it looks like there's a team of Samits out there!
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Flat track bullies! The fielding is also completely different looking at the India team it looks like there's a team of Samits out there!
Outrageous, don't insult Samit like this. He is an allround hero that man.
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Outrageous, don't insult Samit like this. He is an allround hero that man.
And besides, it's more like a field of Montys without the bowling.
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Outrageous, don't insult Samit like this. He is an allround hero that man.
Spelling mistake Buzz... Don't you mean all round
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Outrageous, don't insult Samit like this. He is an allround hero that man.
I was thinking more in the rotund sense!
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So, who thought that Compton wasn't the replacement for Strauss then?
And well done Cook on the record number of test centuries for an England batsman with his 23 of them.
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youngest player in history to make 7000 test runs
legend.
it is all about his coach when he was 12 ;)
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I still don't think Compton is the replacement for Strauss. He doesn't look up to test class and runs on a dead wicket against a demoralised Indian team won't convince me otherwise!
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Oops, and there goes Compton.... Dopey so and so...!
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Jinxed him?
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Can people remember the days when we thought Cook was crap and should get dropped?
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Can people remember the days when we thought Cook was crap and should get dropped?
Less than two years ago!
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Before the last Ashes tour if I remember correctly...
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Before the last Ashes tour if I remember correctly...
Yup, we laughed at a mate who had put money on him to be top scorer in that series!
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2oVy-DtUw1s
Around this time I think
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The difference is, Cook had at least given us reason to believe that he might be test class before that poor run of form, and the majority of the people who were calling for his head (I wasn't, for the record) were not suggesting he should never play again!
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I wasn't in the 'Drop Cook' party either, but I didn't think he was THIS good!
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I think to be fair that the bowling is helping him to look THIS good. Since the "drop Cook" brigade were at their height (after he had struggled against a rather reasonable attack of Ajmal, Asif, Amir etc) he has enjoyed a rather more than good Ashes series against an Australian attack who quite frankly wouldn't have gotten Geoffry Boycott's mother out even were she weilding a stick of part cooked rhubarb that were past its sell by date, an Indian attack utterly unsuited for and uninterested in playing in English conditions and the same attack eighteen months older on featherbeds. His patience and willingness to bat time should always prosper in those circumstances - I'd just point out that his record against the South Africans, Pakistan and West Indies was less stellar and that he was clearly outshone by Hashim Amla...
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I think to be fair that the bowling is helping him to look THIS good. Since the "drop Cook" brigade were at their height (after he had struggled against a rather reasonable attack of Ajmal, Asif, Amir etc) he has enjoyed a rather more than good Ashes series against an Australian attack who quite frankly wouldn't have gotten Geoffry Boycott's mother out even were she weilding a stick of part cooked rhubarb that were past its sell by date, an Indian attack utterly unsuited for and uninterested in playing in English conditions and the same attack eighteen months older on featherbeds. His patience and willingness to bat time should always prosper in those circumstances - I'd just point out that his record against the South Africans, Pakistan and West Indies was less stellar and that he was clearly outshone by Hashim Amla...
Only the one score over 50 in the 2012 series v SA.
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Can only score runs against what's put in front of you!
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yes, but the point I was making was that he didn't when what was put in front of him was Steyn, Morkel, Philander, Kallis and the pie chucker!
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Desperately trying to find records of great batsmen against the likes of the great Aussies, West Indian teams, but can't seem to find any that back me up lol. Is still slightly better than a flat track bully though :)
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don't disagree, was merely pointing out that his current form is impressive rather than massively surprising.
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Back onto the match. IF England can bat 4 sessions then I think they might have this in the bag. By then they'll be 250-300 ahead and have 5 sessions on a worn pitch to have a good go at India. England spinners have looked far more threatening than India's. I also fancy Finn to get some LBW's thanks to the low variable bounce. Key is to bat long tomorrow and into Day 4.
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Couldn't agree more. They're looking like scoring at around 90 runs per session, notwithstanding the boost that might occur if someone were to warn Pietersen that he was in danger of being dropped, so would be approaching 300 clear by lunch on the fourth day.
In reality, the biggest issue is getting to stumps tomorrow - we know how quickly these Indians heads go down, and I think that that would be too big of a psychological barrier for them to successfully recover.
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Nick, if Cook and Trott can get us close to the Indian total then it paves the way for the likes of Pieterson, Bell and Prior to score quick runs, so we might not even need to bat into day 4 to get that kind of lead.
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I think it will take until late on the 4th Day and into the 5th Day for this wicket to give enough assistance to bowl a side out (without playing silly shots). Looked very flat today and only a tiny bit of spin for the Indian spinners. I don't expect much to change tomorrow. Interesting that the Indian spinners were attempting to bowl very slowly on the deck. I assume in the hope of "dropping" the ball onto the wicket to extract more turn. That said bowling at an unnatural pace can muck up how much spin you impart on the ball. Plenty of stick going around for the Indian fielding in general. Heard the comment, "they like to bat and bowl" a few times!
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Don't forget the scoreboard pressure Nick - I think if we can get a lead of 200-250 we could win by an innings
also - it seems as if Cook and Compton are sharing bats these days...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Sillyness/comptoncook.jpg)
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There was more turn for Monty bowling as a medium pacer than Ashwin or Ojha seemed to get!
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Don't forget the scoreboard pressure Nick - I think if we can get a lead of 200-250 we could win by an innings
also - it seems as if Cook and Compton are sharing bats these days...
([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Sillyness/comptoncook.jpg[/url])
So Compton only signed with Gray Nics earlier this year, but seems to have gotten away without being tied into shoes and helmet
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They were doing a split screen of Monty/Ojha and it was noticeable that Monty put far more body and revs on the ball than Ojha. It's well known that Swann puts more revs on the ball than anybody in first class cricket in England, of the English spinners. Still, they are going to need some pitch help and a few runs in the bank.
I'd like to see Prior bat 6 tomorrow, Fat Samit can waddle in at 7 and hang around.
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Sod that, he can bat five ahead of the useless Bell-end!
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I see a innings defeat coming India's way :(
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Don't forget the scoreboard pressure Nick - I think if we can get a lead of 200-250 we could win by an innings
also - it seems as if Cook and Compton are sharing bats these days...
([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Sillyness/comptoncook.jpg[/url])
Comptons GN sticker on the bat is upside down
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Heck, thats a good spot!
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Comptons GN sticker on the bat is upside down
hence my comment about compton using cook's bat!
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(http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd117/fake_street_spirit/Untitled.png)
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Saw this on my Twitter feed t'other day. Quality handle that too.
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I'm thinking we'll need to bat all day tomorrow and post a lead of around 300/350, if the Indians apply themselves then there is no reason why they can't post a good 2nd innings score, it all depends on whether the track deteriorates or not. I know it sounds like stating the obvious, but looking at past matches here, we'll need that led to have a chance of winning if it doesn't!
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So Compton only signed with Gray Nics earlier this year, but seems to have gotten away without being tied into shoes and helmet
he got off lightly not having to wear their helmets and shoes
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he got off lightly not having to wear their helmets and shoes
I quite like the shoes if i'm honest.
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Looks to be turning today! Lets hope Monty and Swanny rip through them tomorrow.
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Oh dear Ishant..... :o
Trotts new balance gear is just,
... disgusting.
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now nw it could be worse...
...not sure how mind...
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A shame really, as i really like the shoes Steyn has been pictured wearing.
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s480x480/302853_10151951785721549_698279542_n.jpg)
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well they are a trainer manufacturer by trade!
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I have never really liked their trainers, or indeed their football boots though!
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I've had a pair of their running spikes this year and they have been pretty decent - and crucially, they don't have a swoosh so the wife doesn't go on about Chinese kids working in sweatshops when I put them on!
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-south-africa-2012/content/image/594821.html?object=46750 I prefer petersons
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Cook :( :( :( :( >:(
Did Cook watch following video before going to bat?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgut31rTG2A
Awful
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Does anyone think that England would have been better served leaving Ian Bell out and sticking with Bairstow (or bringing in Morgan or Root?) Can't see what he's done in the last year that makes him an automatic choice. Granted, Cook went through a period like this before the last Ashes series but the difference was that it was the first time for Cook whilst this seems to be a regular thing for Bell. A couple of decent series then a slump in form. I'm still not sure he's all that....especially when you look at how dreadfully he's played in this last period.
I appreciate that a lot of people rate him, they say he's amazing technically, that he's great to watch etc etc but Trott is none of these things and I'd still rather have him batting for my life than Bell! I still think that he hasn't got it 'up top' ie mentally.
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starting to really grip and turn now. Samit's turned and bounced, even though it was a poor ball it still created the wicket. Swann got one a minute ago that turned square.
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any some nice low bounce coming into it :)
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It will sound like Yorkshire bias but I'd havE started the series with Bairstow and Root instead of Bell and Patel. Bairstow was wonderful in the last South Africa test and deserved the selectors to show faith in him whilst Bell did not at any point look like he was focussed on the game, and Patel is nowhere near the standard required either talent wise or fitness wise.
Bell...is an enigma. He is a naturally diffident character, who ought to be far more than CMJs "form player" in internationals, very good against quick bowling in English conditions but hit and miss against anything else and anywhere else
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Looking good, 190 odd in front with 4 wickets in hand at the end of day 3. Bat most of the next session, get up to a 250+ lead and get India in for 20 mins before lunch. Monty and Swanny ought to get plenty out of this deck now, judging on how it turned in the last hour of today.
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Definately ask for the heavy roller tomorrow to really break the surface up.
even 30 tomorrow morning could be enough.
good performance today.
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Still mindful of the Australia turn over though...
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key thing was making India field again in the morning - the mental battle should be pretty much won by now.
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this is a great piece of writing:-
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/596086.html
I'm going to keep going back to it and count the Indian fanboy comments. Could be a real tumbleweed moment lol
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Sadly nothing yet!
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but they have the IPL and loads of money, so that they are all fine and absolute superstars.
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this is a great piece of writing:-
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/596086.html[/url]
I'm going to keep going back to it and count the Indian fanboy comments. Could be a real tumbleweed moment lol
I, being an Indian, disagree with the statement "One of these days, India will admit they have become an ordinary side. That currently they are arguably the worst bowling unit in the world, bar Bangladesh" in the article. I think Bangladesh are better than India as a bowling unit at current time.
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I have posted that lol
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I have posted that lol
Haha on cricinfo? be ready for abuse for all the other indians!! :)
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I can't see any comments on it!
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I can't see any comments on it!
Nor can I
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Still mindful of the Australia turn over though...
There is a bit of difference between a line up featuring peak versions of Laxman, Tendulkar, Ganguly and Dravid and one featuring out of form versions of Tendulkar, Kohli, Singh and over the hill, fighting against the dying of the light versions of Sehwag and Gambhir. Quite aside from which, a peak Harbhajan when allowed to blatantly chuck his wrong un has a bit more threat than anything this Indian side possess...
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Oh Monty.....
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/page2/content/story/596681.html
A very accurate take on the Indian malaise...
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This is also funny...
Tendulkar mulls Ponting retirement
Not surprisingly, Ponting's retirement has also had an effect on one Sachin Tendulkar. "The older you get the more you realise your time in the game is limited, and with Ricky's retirement, I guess it has become clear to me what the right thing to do is," said a reflective Sachin. "So you're all invited to the party I'll be throwing to celebrate his failure to reach my records."
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Winning the last test and Sachin scoring a ton will be about the worst thing that can happen to Indian cricket in a perverse way. They need to move on but unless they get stuffed at home that's not likely to happen.
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Winning the last test and Sachin scoring a ton will be about the worst thing that can happen to Indian cricket in a perverse way. They need to move on but unless they get stuffed at home that's not likely to happen.
I agree and I hope its another trashing for India or things will never change...
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They need to embrace Fletcher's way, as odd as that sounds. Fitness and hard work will take the younger playersa long way - it just means that there needs to be a cull, including Temdulkar, Dhoni, Sehwag, Zaheer and Yuvraj. Gambhir, oddly, I'd keep as a token nod to experience...
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They need to embrace Fletcher's way, as odd as that sounds. Fitness and hard work will take the younger playersa long way - it just means that there needs to be a cull, including Temdulkar, Dhoni, Sehwag, Zaheer and Yuvraj. Gambhir, oddly, I'd keep as a token nod to experience...
There was an interesting article on Gambhir on cricinfo and if its valid then he either needs a reset or to be dropped as well...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/story/596707.html
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Don't forget the scoreboard pressure Nick - I think if we can get a lead of 200-250 we could win by an innings
also - it seems as if Cook and Compton are sharing bats these days...
[IMG]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Sillyness/comptoncook.jpg
They look like they're skipping down the wicket :D
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There was an interesting article on Gambhir on cricinfo and if its valid then he either needs a reset or to be dropped as well...
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/story/596707.html[/url]
Yeah, I read that and I agree that eh has had some poor form but the side will need one senior batsman, he has moretime on his side than the others, and he seems to have enough of a tactical idea that he could also skipper the side.
Rayudu, Rahane, Jadeja etc give them some youthful hope for the future, the only issue will be how they find pace bowlers to back up Ishant, Yadav (and possibly Aaron - not seen enough of him to comment)
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Yeah, I read that and I agree that eh has had some poor form but the side will need one senior batsman, he has moretime on his side than the others, and he seems to have enough of a tactical idea that he could also skipper the side.
Rayudu, Rahane, Jadeja etc give them some youthful hope for the future, the only issue will be how they find pace bowlers to back up Ishant, Yadav (and possibly Aaron - not seen enough of him to comment)
Its disheartening to think that in country of over a billion people we can't find 4-5 decent fast bowlers...
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Its disheartening to think that in country of over a billion people we can't find 4-5 decent fast bowlers...
not sure you even have one!
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I feel sorry for Fletcher. By all accounts he will be made the fall guy. I don't think he's even been allowed to do anything. Sounds very much like player power dictates to him what he can and can't do. The last 2 years seem like he has had to bite his lip and tread water.Certainly when he was with England he had a major hand in re-shaping the team but he had the authority to do so. I think with a young bunch of players and a willing captain he could very quickly take India in the right direction.
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Its disheartening to think that in country of over a billion people we can't find 4-5 decent fast bowlers...
Totally agree, this is why I think the BCCI have to shoulder 99% of the blame. They are the real reason India's cricket is so poor. All the BCCI are interested in doing is lining their own pockets.
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not sure you even have one!
exactly what I am trying to say...not even 1 decent fast bowler
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exactly what I am trying to say...not even 1 decent fast bowler
Yadav, from what I have seen, has genuine wicket-taking potential. Whether or not he is nurtured properly by the Indian system is another question
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Yadav, from what I have seen, has genuine wicket-taking potential. Whether or not he is nurtured properly by the Indian system is another question
He is injured now, will be again and then he comes back he will be bowling 120-130...thats the trend we seem to have...Varun Aaron is the same deal...I don't know what it is, may be some more red meat in the diet will help :(
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I think fast bowling is a global phenomena not just India, not many fast bowlers are being produced throughout the world as they used to be one after another.
There are only handful of 'good' fastbowlers in today's era as opposed to past as each team had one formidable bowler.
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but still most places manage to find very fast medium pacers at least, rather than 78mph plodders...
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Australia ,England and South Africa have at least 3 good fast bowlers and probably more. Tracks should have a bit for fast bowlers. you can bend your back on flat tracks but the question is how long can you do it ? It will break you down eventually. The sub continent teams clearly lack bench strength in fast bowling at least.
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Well Srilanka and Pakistan seem to do okay...India and Bangladesh are the ones that seem to struggle...
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but still most places manage to find very fast medium pacers at least, rather than 78mph plodders...
That's true - on side note after my last post I went in thought that there are very few bowlers throughout the world who bowl 85 mph+ in test cricket.
Who can you guys think of? Few I can name are;
- Dale Steyn
- Morne Morkel (if I'm not mistaken)
- Micheal Starc
- James Anderson?
Anyone else who consistently bowls 85 mph+?
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Steve Finn
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Anderson isn't always in that bracket
Pattinson and Cummins when their body isnt falling apart
Kemar Roach?
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Fidel Edwards, Malinga, Fernando
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Okay, if we are talking about players bowling with an accurate speed gun rather than the horrid one that Sky had up until last season which made everyone 90mp, then I reckon the list of 85mph plus bowlers of Test standard or close would be:
Australia - Cummins (fully fit), Johnson (if everything is right), Starc, Siddle (if he bends his back)
England - Finn, Meaker, Anderson (when he wants to be), Bresnan (if he ever gets fully fit again)
India - yeah right!
New Zealand - nobody?
Pakistan - Gul can get there if he puts the effort in.
South Africa - Steyn, Morkel, possibly De Lange
Sri Lanka - Malinga
West Indies - Roach, Edwards, possibly Best
As for players coming through, I can only really comment on England here, but Tymal Mills and Moin Ashraf are there and thereabouts. I thought Coulter Nile looked pretty sharp when the A side toured England too...
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When did malinga start playing test cricket ?
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When did malinga start playing test cricket ?
he stopped. but he is test standard...
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As for players coming through, I can only really comment on England here, but Tymal Mills and Moin Ashraf are there and thereabouts. I thought Coulter Nile looked pretty sharp when the A side toured England too...
Ashraf????
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What happened to the dude that Ian Pont was training who could bowl c. 100mph with a quasi-javelin style technique
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What happened to the dude that Ian Pont was training who could bowl c. 100mph with a quasi-javelin style technique
Atul Sharma, he at the end ditched Pont without even paying him if I'm not mistaken.
Apparently Rajistan Royal in IPL had drafted him.
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Ashraf????
Pretty sharp - he was clocked at 87 by the new more accurate Sky speedgun this year...
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What happened to the dude that Ian Pont was training who could bowl c. 100mph with a quasi-javelin style technique
took Bronze at the Olympics...
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Okay, if we are talking about players bowling with an accurate speed gun rather than the horrid one that Sky had up until last season which made everyone 90mp, then I reckon the list of 85mph plus bowlers of Test standard or close would be:
Australia - Cummins (fully fit), Johnson (if everything is right), Starc, Siddle (if he bends his back)
England - Finn, Meaker, Anderson (when he wants to be), Bresnan (if he ever gets fully fit again)
India - yeah right!
New Zealand - nobody?
Pakistan - Gul can get there if he puts the effort in.
South Africa - Steyn, Morkel, possibly De Lange
Sri Lanka - Malinga
West Indies - Roach, Edwards, possibly Best
As for players coming through, I can only really comment on England here, but Tymal Mills and Moin Ashraf are there and thereabouts. I thought Coulter Nile looked pretty sharp when the A side toured England too...
I'm sure many can do it but not many are consistent such as Dale Steyn.
For New Zealand there was this young guy, can't recall his name but he was teenager who bowled fast. Played few ODIs/T20. Hopefully with Shane Bond New Zealand's bowling coach we'll find good pace prospect or at least that lad would be groomed.
Kemar Roach seems to be a very good bowler, he has good stats lets hope he is diligent bowler.
I haven't seen much of Meaker so can't comment on him but James Anderson is a lovely bowler. After Mohammad Asif he is one of the best swinger of the ball today (in fact, he IS the best today). Here is Mohammad Asif talking about Anderson;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbcRdaSCpCg
[Bear with his English]
Bresan is really capable of 85 mph?
Steven Finn is a good bowler too! Its shame he is not getting much preference over Bresan/Board (or is me, but I understand there batting comes in play)
Umar Gul is not a consistent 85 mph bowler, it is really shame that he spearheads Pakistan fast bowling today. The calibre of Pakistan fast bowling since commencement to international cricket was obviously exceptional and today they are at lowest point when it comes to fast bowling. Even in domestic there aren't many pacers coming up, there are few good Under19 bowlers but they are not 85 mph+ even.
Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif for once turned out to be most formidable fast bowling duo after Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram but too bad they fell in greedy, although I'm quite sure that Mohammad Amir will be back (although I would never accept him based on his previous moral record, whether he was forced etc is all bullocks to me!).
A lot of bowlers give up pace for line/length, rather than keeping both because of Twenty20 to gain quick entry to national side.
In short, I think it will take a while since world of cricket finds another Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee.
Pakistan has selected a seven footer bowler for India's Twenty20, lets see how he performs if he gets a chance. He is not fast but I'd be intrigued to see how a team coups with him when he bowls. His debut in England was rather shocking.
Was rather in rush and typing from my iPad so bear with me with errors.
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Adam Milne was the NZ quickie, no idea where he is now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8LrDtjdwbM
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Umesh yadav for india? Tino best in his return has looked lightning, cant say the same for his control though! I believe the young nz quick could be adam milne, i also believe james pattinson could be in with a shout and last but not least, the quickest of them all......Mr Fattus Cattus.
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Blast the bird beat me to it. I guess he probably got injured and droppes about 7 mph. Isnt that what happens to all of these young hopefulls?
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Broad use to be able to bowl 85mph+, a long long time ago.
Doesn't Wahab Riaz bowl 85+?
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Blast the bird beat me to it. I guess he probably got injured and droppes about 7 mph. Isnt that what happens to all of these young hopefulls?
Just Cricinfo'd him and he played some odi's this year, has a first class average of 47 as well lol
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Yes The_Bird, it was indeed Adam Milne.
Thanks for that
Broad use to be able to bowl 85mph+, a long long time ago.
Doesn't Wahab Riaz bowl 85+?
Wahab Riaz bowls 85+ but he is a mediocre bowler. Very inconsistent and has no control when it comes to new ball. He was told by Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram to keep his wrist in position which he doesn't and his flaws prevail his strength and he controls to be hit and miss sort of bowler.
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i remember watching this and thinking god this guy can bowl!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YIcyEdrFm0
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james pattinson can touch 90 at times. Trent Boult for New Zealand looks pretty sharp. Dirk Nannes still get it through as well
Mohammed Amir as well!!!
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i remember watching this and thinking god this guy can bowl!!
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YIcyEdrFm0[/url]
I had dinner with him during summer at NCA.
He has been selected for ODI leg for India's tour, he was earlier selected against Australia but never got any game.
His inswingers deteriorated as far I know. Lets hope he gets a game and prove his worth.
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Can't remember the other guy who was at the other end, left armer I think. Both looked immense
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Can't remember the other guy who was at the other end, left armer I think. Both looked immense
Jamshed Ahmed.
Three of five Anwar Ali's scalps were;
Cheteshwar Pujara, Rohit Sharma and Ravindra Jadeja
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Jamshed Ahmed.
Three of five Anwar Ali's scalps were;
Cheteshwar Pujara, Rohit Sharma and Ravindra Jadeja
What happened then, injuries?
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What happened then, injuries?
I remember his interview last year, he sounded quite demoralized and he played for PIA who are extremely vigilant over new comers and that too fast bowlers as they give there existing ones first nod (wrong choice at first place by Jamshed).
This year he did not play first class at all! So possibilites are;
1. Gave up cricket and started working somewhere as his family was dependent on him (most likely)
2. Injured
3. Not being selected.
First seems to be most likely as for a four day game players are paid under 20 GBP.
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Bresan is really capable of 85 mph?
He was; whilst I think the Sky speed guns that put him at 91 a coupleof Summers ago were a bit of a joke, he was up around 86 in Australia last winter. Whether he will ever be again is open to debate as the signs are that he has pushed that elbow further than it was ever supposed to go.
Steven Finn is a good bowler too! Its shame he is not getting much preference over Bresan/Board (or is me, but I understand there batting comes in play)
I can understand why he did not get preference for a while, as we was growing into his frame and learning his own game - batting possibly gave both B's a slight advantage when they did not bowl well, but I think it was the right decision to leave Finn out purely on form with the ball. I doubt, going forward, that he will be anything other than the second pace bowler selected (behind Jimmikins).
A lot of bowlers give up pace for line/length, rather than keeping both because of Twenty20 to gain quick entry to national side.
Really? I would have thought that express pace was the way to get into the big T20 competitions and national sides...
In short, I think it will take a while since world of cricket finds another Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee.
Both were fairly freakish because their long limbed, sprinting styles were quite different from the 90mph plus bowlers of yore. Whether we'll see another...well, since they came on the scene we've also seen Malinga and Tait get up into the mid-90s...
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First seems to be most likely as for a four day game players are paid under 20 GBP.
I know that Pakistani pros in League cricket in the UK are quite happy with what might seem menial wages because it is still, after some living costs, far more than they make in the First Class game at home. Didn't realise the number was that low though!
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Problems with Indian team is much deeper than it looks on the surface. There is a lot of politics going on since the world cup.
There are clearly two groups in the team, one group is Dhoni, Raina, Ashwin, Jadeja etc and other group is Delhi based, Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli etc.
Sehwag and Gambhir feel that they are not suitably rewarded by the success India had in Tests ( when India took number 1 status) and one dayers ( when India won the world cup). The feeling is that most of the success went in helping Dhoni as a brand. It eventually boils down to money these guys receive in endorsements and Dhoni has the highest price tag.
It is clearly evident from the attitude shown by Sehwag and Gambhir in the past few test series. They just want to score just enough runs to keep their place in the team and with each loss, pressure will be on selectors to remove Dhoni as the captain and one of these guys will be given the captaincy.
Getting the captaincy of Indian team means increase in the Brand value much higher.
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interesting points, what have you based this split in the camp on? Has it been written about before?
Read something this morning on cricinfo about the selectors trying to sack Dhoni last year and the BCCI bigwigs overuling them.
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There were a few snipes about it in the cricketing press at the start of the year, so I guess there has been a problem for a while. Sad that it all seems to be about money...
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There were some reports came out during the Australia tour but now it is becoming more and more evident..
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Cricket/CricketNews/Dhoni-complains-against-Gambhir-tells-BCCI-he-s-selfish-report/Article1-971806.aspx
Sad to see these players are putting their own vested interests above the country.
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Heard Finn is out, wonder who they'll go for instead.
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onions
but I think Finn will play
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interesting about Gambhir but not sure he could've done much in the 2nd test. He's clearly a limited player in terms of shot making and dealing with Swann on that deck was more a matter of survival for him.
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odd that being able to bat time is seen as such a bad thing nowadays!
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of course he chanted the line "wait till we get you back to India" or words to that effect, to both England and Australia. For that reason alone he ought to be dropped. Never heard of a test player admit he can't play well overseas, or his team can't. I'm sure England and Australia, the latter due in the next year or so, will be only too happy to remind him. I suppose from his viewpoint he get's more IPL money for 2 months work than for 10 months tough test cricket.
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To be fair, that was a quite understandable response to the smashing they were getting in both countries. Probably not a wise one mind you...
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He was; whilst I think the Sky speed guns that put him at 91 a coupleof Summers ago were a bit of a joke, he was up around 86 in Australia last winter. Whether he will ever be again is open to debate as the signs are that he has pushed that elbow further than it was ever supposed to go.
Ahan, I see. I never thought of him to exceed 85mph so cheers for that information.
I can understand why he did not get preference for a while, as we was growing into his frame and learning his own game - batting possibly gave both B's a slight advantage when they did not bowl well, but I think it was the right decision to leave Finn out purely on form with the ball. I doubt, going forward, that he will be anything other than the second pace bowler selected (behind Jimmikins).
Usually you don't see many English bowlers doing well in Asia/Middle East, so Finn is among the very few who have considerably well in those regions.
Really? I would have thought that express pace was the way to get into the big T20 competitions and national sides...
When you bowl at good line and length you get more wickets, so when you get ample of wickets in domestic Twenty20 tournament, chances of your selection are boosted drastically.
Both were fairly freakish because their long limbed, sprinting styles were quite different from the 90mph plus bowlers of yore. Whether we'll see another...well, since they came on the scene we've also seen Malinga and Tait get up into the mid-90s...
True.
I think we all should commend Shoaib Akhtar and Brett Lee for there fitness and commitment despite they were prone to injuries. These two played heap of test matches compared to likes of Latish Malinga and Shaun Tait. To play what Akhtar/Lee have done is quite remarkable in current era as there is little to no 90+ bowler in test arena. So kudus to them.
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I know that Pakistani pros in League cricket in the UK are quite happy with what might seem menial wages because it is still, after some living costs, far more than they make in the First Class game at home. Didn't realise the number was that low though!
Its quite miserable when it comes to paying domestic tournament players. For a Twenty20 tournament they are paid like 5 quids a day/game and that is not even enough for daily expense.
The domestic first class cricketers happily accept UK club leagues contract as they make very good money (according to there standards).
When I played club cricket in Pakistan, club's coach etc asked me "Uzair, do you know any club in UK who'd be interested in recruiting players?''
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we need a miracle.
please Mr Prior. cometh the hour, cometh the man (Joe Root keep going too! please)
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Awful dismissal for Bell - he really should know better!!! Time for him to go I think....
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Awful LBW decision for Cooky.
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Only 12 months ago people on here were calling to drop Cook for Bell as Bell was "the best batsman in the country" and some said best in the world.... Go figure!!!
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track sounds turgid. Scoring is always difficult when the ball doesn't bounce. It'll be interesting to see what a good score is and how much of a say the seamers have. Looks like they could be more in the game than the spinners. Also looks very slow and timing the ball seems a tricky, let alone keeping it on the floor. Not spinning much but lack of pace alone causes problems.
160-5 doesn't sound great but if England can bat well into tomorrow and scrape up 300, it could be good enough.
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Only 12 months ago people on here were calling to drop Cook for Bell as Bell was "the best batsman in the country" and some said best in the world.... Go figure!!!
Wasn't Bell in the side 12 months ago, he had a great summer in 2011, but has been (No Swearing Please) ever since, that's usually how players get dropped!
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good knock from KP.
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Anyone think that Onions could have had a start instead of timothy?
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Anyone think that Onions could have had a start instead of timothy?
If Bresnan can get it back up into the mid 80's then he's worth his place. If not then he's mainly there as he bats, and because Onions is too similar to Anderson, in conditions that don't really help swing bowling.
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If Bresnan can get it back up into the mid 80's then he's worth his place. If not then he's mainly there as he bats, and because Onions is too similar to Anderson, in conditions that don't really help swing bowling.
The thing is, this pitch is perfect for Bunny - very very slow and low, would suit his wicket to wicket style.
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The thing is, this pitch is perfect for Bunny - very very slow and low, would suit his wicket to wicket style.
I agree, I would have gone with Onions (or Meaker) on this track. Runs will be at a real premium in this match
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Agreed - pitches like this are usually a complete nightmare by about the middle of day three.
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good comeback after tea 199-5 might not sound great but it looks very hard work. Root and Prior have dug in big time and hopefully they'll carry on for a while tomorrow. I have doubts India will be as patient.
Onions debate is interesting. Wicket to wicket is fine but the Indian batsman live off whipping it off middle. I think a shorter length and a good cutter/slower ball might be equally important. Tried defending an off cutter that doesn't bounce? Bresnan might surprise us all.
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He might, but he has not looked fully fit for some time, so I would be a little bit concerned as to whether he was really up to the task...
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Good for 12 off about 90 balls though.
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Can't believe this wicket, it completely nulifys any sort of skill required to play the game. The new ball was rolling on the ground consistently. India should be embarrassed to've prepared such a terrible wicket.
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Can't believe this wicket, it completely nulifys any sort of skill required to play the game.
Not entirely true - it asks different questions of both batsmen and bowlers. Would you really rather have seen yet another Chief Executives Wicket?
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I'd rather see a sporting wicket yes, it devalues the game when balls are rolling along the ground on day 1. Premier League grounds would get fined in my area if they produced a wicket like that. Embarrassing, there is no skill in bowling someone with a pea roller.
Pace and Bounce offers a far better spectacle and you cannot say that India can't produce pitches of that standard, look at the srilankan pitches recently very lively and a far better sporting spectacle.
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Not entirely true - it asks different questions of both batsmen and bowlers. Would you really rather have seen yet another Chief Executives Wicket?
You could argue it is a chief executives wicket.
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Not entirely true - it asks different questions of both batsmen and bowlers. Would you really rather have seen yet another Chief Executives Wicket?
Not many questions and it makes the game one dimensional. Batsman can only go forward and drive, bowlers can't bounce anyone. Played on a few tracks like this, as we all have, and removing 50% of your shots is no fun for anyone.
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You could argue it is a chief executives wicket.
got to be kidding - there is more chance of Scarlett Johannson kncking on my front door in her smalls than there is of this game going to the fifth afternoon!
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Not many questions and it makes the game one dimensional. Batsman can only go forward and drive, bowlers can't bounce anyone. Played on a few tracks like this, as we all have, and removing 50% of your shots is no fun for anyone.
Sorry Nick, I just don't agree - we see so many timid pitches on which batsmen with limited technique can score big by hitting through the vague line of the ball - so many in fact that batsmen start blaming the pitch as soon as they have to move their bloody feet. Yes, this will be alow scoring game, but it will be a great test of ingenuity and resilience.
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got to be kidding - there is more chance of Scarlett Johannson kncking on my front door in her smalls than there is of this game going to the fifth afternoon!
In a sense that the on the field chief executive's (Dhoni and the BCCI) have created such a turgid wicket in order to try and nullify England's batsmen and bowlers. This pitch has brought the average bowlers back into the game for India.
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In a sense that the on the field chief executive's (Dhoni and the BCCI) have created such a turgid wicket in order to try and nullify England's batsmen and bowlers. This pitch has brought the average bowlers back into the game for India.
different way of looking at it I suppose - if India had won the toss you would probably have had a point (and if India had pickd an extra seamer as well - it seemed pretty clear to me that they misread the conditions completely!)
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different way of looking at it I suppose - if India had won the toss you would probably have had a point (and if India had pickd an extra seamer as well - it seemed pretty clear to me that they misread the conditions completely!)
Agree as Pieterson said our two seamers should be a handful and trott should get through a few overs!
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God! Ian Bell is just awful! I've just seen the shot he played today. What a disgrace! Has he got a brain in his head? I have honestly never rated him and if this doesn't spell the end of his test career, especially with the likes of Root, Bairstow and Morgan amongst others in the wings then I just give up!
I believe his test match average for the last year is now below 15 (correct me if I'm wrong!) What's the betting he creeps into the starting line up in NZ? Has he got naked pictures of Andy Flower or something?
Dreadfully overrated player.
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but plays for Warwickshire...
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but plays for Warwickshire...
He's a shoe in for the T20 and odi side then..... ;)
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Yet his 2011 average was 3 figures
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He also averaged something like 119 a year ago. He is just going through a bad patch. Who doesnt?
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God! Ian Bell is just awful! I've just seen the shot he played today. What a disgrace! Has he got a brain in his head? I have honestly never rated him and if this doesn't spell the end of his test career, especially with the likes of Root, Bairstow and Morgan amongst others in the wings then I just give up!
I believe his test match average for the last year is now below 15 (correct me if I'm wrong!) What's the betting he creeps into the starting line up in NZ? Has he got naked pictures of Andy Flower or something?
Dreadfully overrated player.
He looks like he hasn't got a clue against some of the spinners. Completely agree with you he hasn't looked right for a long long time now
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Bell will come good yet again his test career is littered with good and bad patches
He has had more chances than most for sure
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Bell is a weird one because I would put money on him getting a hatful of county championship runs if he played a full year off international cricket.
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Flat track bully....??
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I stopped short of saying that Dave but I'm thinking it!! Graeme Hick etc.... ;)
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Monty is using a scoop!
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I stopped short of saying that Dave but I'm thinking it!! Graeme Hick etc.... ;)
The was a stat for a long time that Bell had never made the first 100 in an innings in a Test for England, I think he has a few now, but it does reinforce the impression that he'll score very heavily when his sides on top, but don't seem to have the fight for tough situations.
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330 all out. Is that a good score? How will the Indian batting hold up after expecting to roll England for well under 200?
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330 all out. Is that a good score? How will the Indian batting hold up after expecting to roll England for well under 200?
I would have settled for that at the start of play, but Swann's knock is making me question all this chat about how tough a wicket it is, need to get early wickets.
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Fields for 145 hours, and then out first over of the innings! Oh who would want to be an opening batsman? Sucks to be Sehwag right now.
Sucks to be Sehwag in the last two years, or pretty much any Indian batsman actually!
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Fields for 145 hours, and then out first over of the innings! Oh who would want to be an opening batsman? Sucks to be Sehwag right now.
gotta love that...thanks for coming Virender...didn't touch the ball in the field, then didn;t touch it when he batted!
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Just saw his figures from the last couple of years, basically nothing since 2010! Would people be calling him to be replaced yet?
Not in India, he still does ok in the IPL remember!
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The was a stat for a long time that Bell had never made the first 100 in an innings in a Test for England, I think he has a few now, but it does reinforce the impression that he'll score very heavily when his sides on top, but don't seem to have the fight for tough situations.
Bell should be under huge pressure for his place, but you get the sense that he is seen as part of the set up and as such more or less undroppable. After all, how else do you explain him getting in ahead of Bairstow despite being a poor player of spin, being due to "skip" the next game and the guy left out having made 95 and 57 against the best attack in the world in the previous test?
One wonders how England will line up in New Zealand. Compton hardly deserves to be dropped (much as I do not think him test class) and Root should be a nailed on certainty for a run in the team given how well he acquitted himself...though Bairstow should have been as well...
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Root is crapping himself at silly point though...
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Root is crapping himself at silly point though...
Stay Low ... :(
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Bell should be under huge pressure for his place, but you get the sense that he is seen as part of the set up and as such more or less undroppable. After all, how else do you explain him getting in ahead of Bairstow despite being a poor player of spin, being due to "skip" the next game and the guy left out having made 95 and 57 against the best attack in the world in the previous test?
One wonders how England will line up in New Zealand. Compton hardly deserves to be dropped (much as I do not think him test class) and Root should be a nailed on certainty for a run in the team given how well he acquitted himself...though Bairstow should have been as well...
Bairstow is a bombscare against spin too, I think that may mean he has to wait his turn again, now that Compton and Root have done enough to deserve a run.
I think we might be the following in NZ
Cook
Compton
Trott
Pieterson
Bell
Root
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
with Onions/Bresnan and Bairstow as the next in line in case of injuries
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Bairstow is a bombscare against spin too, I think that may mean he has to wait his turn again, now that Compton and Root have done enough to deserve a run.
But surely Bairstow's performances against the Yarpies mean he has done enough to deserve a run too...
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Stay Low ... :(
quite. If I were the batsman I'd be having a chat with the umpire about that amount of movement under my nose...
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looks like that is why bell is in the side.
Stay under the lid and get bit by ball coming your way. Or catch it when you can
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to be fair, that was a blinding bit of fielding. Now if only he could score some runs...
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But surely Bairstow's performances against the Yarpies mean he has done enough to deserve a run too...
I'm not sure that's the case if you think someone else is more likely to succeed in the current conditions. Just like Monty's wickets here shouldn't mean he plays in NZ.
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I'm not sure that's the case if you think someone else is more likely to succeed in the current conditions. Just like Monty's wickets here shouldn't mean he plays in NZ.
okay, if we accept your thinking that Bairstow may be thought to be weaker against spin (though if that is the case, why take him at all?) should he not still be first choice once in more favourable conditions?
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wow that is an amazing catch!
not out tho but oh well
serves them right for no DRS
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evens up Cook's shocking LBW too...
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okay, if we accept your thinking that Bairstow may be thought to be weaker against spin (though if that is the case, why take him at all?) should he not still be first choice once in more favourable conditions?
I think he's one for the future, so at the very least they'll have wanted him around the squad for the experience. Re picking him again, I guess that depends on how Root does here, but unless they think Root has similar problems on green seamers to JB on turning wickets then I don't think it makes sense. Horses for courses works to an extent but they need some element of consistency in the side.
All that said, I was still surprised to see Root in for this test, looks a decent call so far though.
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in a way the real surprise was that Fat Sammy was ever there!
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Maybe, i think his displays in the T20 world cup maybe pushed him over the line, he was the only batsman we had who didn't look clueless against decent spinners.
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Maybe, i think his displays in the T20 world cup maybe pushed him over the line, he was the only batsman we had who didn't look clueless against decent spinners.
But in fairness, its a bit different when you're not trying to score at 8 an over against them (and when you have Cook, Prior and Pietersen in your line up)
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Or Bell or Bairstow, who treat every lobbed up pie like a hand grenade...
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But in fairness, its a bit different when you're not trying to score at 8 an over against them (and when you have Cook, Prior and Pietersen in your line up)
Maybe, but in the game vs the WIndies I had to watch JB struggle along at 3-4 an over against Gayle, Badree and Narine, whereas vs SL only patel looked in comfortable out of the entire side.
Not saying that's the main reason, but with it being so recent it'll undoubtedly have been in their minds.
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Maybe, but in the game vs the WIndies I had to watch JB struggle along at 3-4 an over against Gayle, Badree and Narine, whereas vs SL only patel looked in comfortable out of the entire side.
against guys who bowled well throughout the tournament then? hmmm...
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Gutted for MS, listening to the Indian commentary they were talking about a 200 run lead at one point.
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Oh Dhoni :( You didn't deserve that
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Delighted as I was to see that MSD had been run out and that England may preserve a 1st innings lead after all . . . . .
I had £2.50 @ 33-1 on Dhoni being the top scorer in the Indian 1st innings >:( Damn you Cook, you have just cost me a new pair of SPS gloves
Come on England!
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against guys who bowled well throughout the tournament then? hmmm...
I sak all the WIndies games live and I don't recall annonse Else getting info quizen such a mess, he vokst England that game, and with it qualificstion for the semis.
Edited version without Norwegian autocorrect
I saw all the WIndies games live and I don't recall anyone else getting into such quite a mess against their spinners, he cost England that game IMO, and with it qualificstion for the semis.
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I sak all the WIndies games live and I don't recall annonse Else getting info quizen such a mess, he vokst England that game, and with it qualificstion for the semis.
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I sak all the WIndies games live and I don't recall annonse Else getting info quizen such a mess, he vokst England that game, and with it qualificstion for the semis.
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I think he is mixing English with Norwegian or something like that hahaha. 8) Someone has either been hitting the beverage or he has got Autocorrect in Norwegian. :P
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I think he is mixing English with Norwegian or something like that hahaha. 8) Someone has either been hitting the beverage or he has got Autocorrect in Norwegian. :P
my other half described Norwegian as drunk English, by which argument he ought to be making sense...
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Had the Norwegian keyboard and autocorrect on, will sort it later.
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Big effort from England today. Kept their mind's on the job when India started to resort to chucking the ball in the air and squealing.
Trott's the man really, hope he goes on to fill his boots in NZ in time for his favourite opponents in the summer...
In all seriousness, great start for Cook as Real captain.
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the job appears to be nine tenths done now - a couple of sensible hours in the morning will take the game away from India.
Question is, will Cook look to lay down a marker and try to actually win the game?
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No they will try to make game safe and win series
India trying to put real pressure on dharmasena as he has given a couple of shockers there squealing for everything and not happy when things don't go there way but at the end of the day if you don't want drs its your own fault
Even complaining they didn't get pitch they asked for as wanted a result pitch and got the m6
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They sook worse than the Aussies when they're losing!
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Anyone else find Trott's shot off Jadeja absolutely hilarious?
Like Atherton said, nice to see the Indians show some fire. They have wilted since Dravid retired.
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Since?
He was still in the team in England! They were a shower then too.
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Since?
He was still in the team in England! They were a shower then too.
Exactly, He was the only one showing any type of balls and grit in that series.
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India have shown up a bit like Newcastle in terms of passionate fans..
They don't turn up when there crap fair weather fans.
The India team are a disgrace they leave a nasty taste that not how cricket is played.
It all seemed like fake passion to me there being paid too much elsewhere to care.
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in this game the fans have to walk 15 kms to get to the ground as it is in the middle of knowhere.
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India have shown up a bit like Newcastle in terms of passionate fans..
could not believe that people were queuing until the tea break to get tickets but still waited - thats beyond dedication!
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Where have they been for the other games.
In Other countries you get your applause for good play not in India.
They always talk about passion for the game I have not seen this half empty stadia and poor support when losing.
Maybe it a cultural shift towards t20 and iPl I bet it would not be empty for that
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I think it shows how much pressure they are all under and that without any big characters in the team to prevent the Kohli/Dhoni debacle. In my opinion Dravid would not've let these players throw their toys out of the pram. I'll go back to what happened to Ian Bell in what was a hugely respectful thing to do in calling Bell back. Dravid was instrumental in that piece of sportsmanship and the younger players don't have that I believe. Ashwin was a complete dick in the conference afterwards and sounded like a child. Blame the BCCI not the umpire.
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I actually thought the behaviour of Dhoni and others in particular Kohli was appalling. They've decided to got without DRS and that the umpires word being final, so mobbing the umpire and the batsman isn't really going to help their cause, nice o show that snicko showed it not out.
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I think it shows how much pressure they are all under and that without any big characters in the team to prevent the Kohli/Dhoni debacle. In my opinion Dravid would not've let these players throw their toys out of the pram. I'll go back to what happened to Ian Bell in what was a hugely respectful thing to do in calling Bell back. Dravid was instrumental in that piece of sportsmanship and the younger players don't have that I believe. Ashwin was a complete dick in the conference afterwards and sounded like a child. Blame the BCCI not the umpire.
Didn't hear the Ashwin bit, what did he say?
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Fan turnout has be relatively good in the whole series, then three out of the four games have been played where Test cricket has traditionally had support.
What did Ashwin say? Poor Babs
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Trot did well to hit it, I've seen them missed in the past at club level. I'd have told Kholi to f...off and mind his own business.
I'm with Bumble and Botham in that the match referee should step in and sort it and would Kholi have the balls to front someone like Viv Richards or Alan Border, me thinks not
Disappointed with Ashwin as he is one of their better players, I'm sure our boys will get their own back and sledging sounds a lot better in English than that irritating Indian clucking. :D
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I think the attitude if the so callled Inidian 'fans of the game' has been a bit sad!
I realise that they are eager to see their team perform well, and they are not at the moment. But fans of the game?
I don't think they are!! The only cheer seems to be when an Indian does something half decent or hits a couple of runs.
When the opposing team hits a 50 or a 100, very few even clap!
I'm not saying that any fans are perfect. But if you get a member of the opposing team score a ton at Lords or another ground, or even pull off a great shot.....then most of the fans applud it! That to me is enjoyment and appreciation of the sport, something that seems to be lacking in India at the moment. Even if an Aussie hits a ton then the English fans stand and clap (even though it pains us to ;) )
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He was dissapointed in Trott for hitting Jadeja's pea roller and said he would never've done that. He also said trott had been out numerous times in his innings so that brought about the bad blood. It was his demeanor tho, sounded like a hard done by school boy.
Exactly poor Baba..... :-[
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Sooky-la-la if you ask me!
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Ha, 'out' in the way Cook was in both innings, I bet.
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Kohli has been very quiet all series. One decent knock and he starts mouthing off like his opinion matters. Ishant Sharma had a lot to say aswell for a distinctly average bowler. I wouldn't have been as restrained as Trott with my reply
I think the Indians know the series is slipping away and they are getting very desperate
Would love England to bat just past tea tomorrow and set India a ridiculous total from 20 overs - just to make a symbolic point about their fascination with T20
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Sooky-la-la if you ask me!
Spot on, I think the players are starting to get frustrated at the lack of DRS as they clearly don't share the same view as President Srinivasanistham in that the unpire's decision is final. It must be hard when the rest of the cricketing world are not following that same mantra.
Ha, 'out' in the way Cook was in both innings, I bet.
haha, and the host broadcaster play their part as well by convienently not showing glaring mistakes when India get the rub of the green. It's like it never happened if they don't show replays!!
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Got to observe that the standard of umpiring in this series has been somewhat lower than we have come to expect over the past three or four years.
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Maybe because they normally have the tech to back them up
Agree with hosk poor cricketing fans good Indian fans.
I liked Kholi a lot but think he like Gambhir who play for them-self and believe there own hype
Where is JEET the defender
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He was dissapointed in Trott for hitting Jadeja's pea roller and said he would never've done that. He also said trott had been out numerous times in his innings so that brought about the bad blood. It was his demeanor tho, sounded like a hard done by school boy.
Exactly poor Baba..... :-[
It's a hard life when things don't go your own way in you're own backyard. No offence intended, but this serious has shown Indian cricket for what it really is, the spoilt playground bully who spits his dummy out when he doesn't get his own way.
England have done a fantastic job since the first test, and it will be an outstanding achievement if they going to win the series tomorrow (not many of us gave them a hope in hell), I just hope there isn't a bitter aftertaste to it.
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I'm surprised they haven't just taken their ball home with them.
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I think the attitude if the so callled Inidian 'fans of the game' has been a bit sad!
I realise that they are eager to see their team perform well, and they are not at the moment. But fans of the game?
I don't think they are!! The only cheer seems to be when an Indian does something half decent or hits a couple of runs.
When the opposing team hits a 50 or a 100, very few even clap!
I'm not saying that any fans are perfect. But if you get a member of the opposing team score a ton at Lords or another ground, or even pull off a great shot.....then most of the fans applud it! That to me is enjoyment and appreciation of the sport, something that seems to be lacking in India at the moment. Even if an Aussie hits a ton then the English fans stand and clap (even though it pains us to ;) )
Completely concur with Pete.
I recall Wasim Akram saying that when you play in India there is thousands of Indian supporters cheering so when you take a wicket there is a pin-drop silence throughout the ground.
Exactly poor Baba..... :-[
Haha! That made me chuckle :D
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I'm surprised they haven't just taken their ball home with them.
or "arranged" for a sudden mis season change of rules outlawing other sides bringing spinners?
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england will get exactly what they 'we' deserve tommorow,a series victory as heavy underdogs in alien conitions.There is a reason it's been 27 years since the last one.
The Indian players incl Dhoni and Kholi lost it this afternoon,Cook has been sawn off twice,if your behind the wicket,especially keeping when there's a nick,you know if the batter has hit it or not.Not a problem to appeal then but berating the umpire later on for a non nick off Trott takes the biscuit.Either have DRS to reduce the howlers,or accept what the umpire says is final-they did themselves no favours moaning at the umpire.
We have dismantled India in their own conditions,the revenge series turns out to be nothing of the sort.
perhaps the BCCI will give test cricket the respect it deserves in the future.
The ultimate form of the game
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I often feel like there is an arrogance from Indian cricket, knowing that they have they are the biggest cricket nation and economy they use this to push every other nation around.
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I often feel like there is an arrogance from Indian cricket, knowing that they have they are the biggest cricket nation and economy they use this to push every other nation around.
not the first, the MCC used to do the same
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Anyone got a link to a video of Trott chasing down that no ball?
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvzhyi#.UM5FzeSpAQo
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Look the close fielder running away
Yeah baby
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[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvzhyi#.UM5FzeSpAQo[/url]
Absolutely priceless haha, at least most of the Indian team found it comical
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haha thanks fella.
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did the umpires actually no ball Jadeja for the double bumper...?
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Nearly there....given the conduct of the Indian side and those ridiculous "revenge" statements, if I were Cook I would refuse to shake hands early and keep them out int he field to the very end of the days play...
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Nearly there....given the conduct of the Indian side and those ridiculous "revenge" statements, if I were Cook I would refuse to shake hands early and keep them out int he field to the very end of the days play...
Indeed, part of me hopes he's a bigger man than I'd be, but part of me wants to see them ground into the dirt!
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Indeed, part of me hopes he's a bigger man than I'd be, but part of me wants to see them ground into the dirt!
Ruthlessness is a very important skill for an international skipper, and this Indian side (and their board) really don't deserve any significant pity...
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though actually, they should declare as soon as Joe Root is averaging 100 in Test Cricket...
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I reckon they'll wait until Dhoni brings himself on!
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Dhoni from one end and Gambhir from the other, first to take a wicket gets to skipper the next series!
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Dhoni from one end and Gambhir from the other, first to take a wicket gets to skipper the next series!
And here comes Gambhir.... Game up...
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I called it!
If he gets wicket, they can announce ME as India's new skipper tomorrow!
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Dhoni not on yet though... Still Ashwin!
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Well done England, Poor cricket and Poor attitude from India. Hope things improve from here on, we need them to...
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India need to realise they aren't the great test team they once were. Produce pitches to encourage their seam bowlers otherwise they will be struggling in future test series.
Saying that I expect India to win the ODI's
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England deserved it in the end. Nice to see Dhoni citing Anderson as the big difference between the two sides although I would think he must of been a little worried at how his spinners were outbowled by England's! Papering over the cracks?
It will be interesting to see where India go from here. It would be a huge mistake to lose Duncan Fletcher. They really ought to give him full authority to mould a completely new team. You get the feeling he's not had much input so far. Maybe the last we'll see of a lot of established Indian players if that's the case.....I can just see the likes of Gambhir, Sehwag, Khan etc loving a regime that involves actually being physically fit! ;)
You get the feeling though that if they win the 2 T20's this week it will all be forgotten.....
Looking forward to the NZ series now. One of my favourite to watch!
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