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Equipment => Bats => Bat Making => Topic started by: Buzz on November 08, 2012, 10:01:04 PM
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I have to say there has been a bit of conversation around the different types of handle insert, cork or rubber.
now personally I have used both and not really known the difference...
what do you think?
here are the two options in two english made bats.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/utf-8BSU1BRzEwNTMuanBn.jpg)
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/utf-8BSU1BRzEwNTUuanBn.jpg)
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you can have both in the same bat as well. Rubber,Cork, Rubber on my Ayrtek.
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Good bats have had Cork inserts, had a Bernie Facer with cork(a pre forum custom bat).
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well i have settled my cork vs rubber argument as both msr bats have cork the 2nd bat has no vibration! so must be a poorly fitted handle on the 1st bat
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Never noticed a difference if I'm honest...
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I have personally never noticed a difference, to be honest, I would say we will never be able to notice a difference.
I have seen loads of players bat and even to them it makes no difference whatsoever. We are fussy when it comes to equipment so we go in depth detail unlike players who care about feel and performance.
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Agree UZair to them it about mainly pick up the feel
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Materials are important but the construction is key... I think Simmy can now testify to this. You can have all the best components but if its a poorly assembled handle you may be able to tell
Having played around with these for a while I like cork... But I like treated cork. Also two springs. Introducing new materials is tough so I applaud James Laver as I think it'll have more to offer than the Slaz handle. I really think improvements can be made and that hopefully was proved this evening. But I'll leave other guys to comment on what they found rather than what it is that I have done.
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Do tell us more...
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I thought I would bring this back up as we are now seeing many UK made bats with cork handles, all the GM bats, plus recent bats from black cat and blank bats.
some of the big Indian brands are also using them, SS for one. KG for another
given that how key the handle is to how we feel the shots, I am really interested at this change.
do other people care? what do you think?
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I can't say I've ever looked at whether or not it's rubber or cork in my handles. So it's never made a difference to me I suppose?
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Is there a shortage of certain handles
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I am quite interested in this as well. Perhaps rubber offers more flex, and cork offers a slightly stiffer (marginal) handle?
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Weight is the simple answer
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What about the new Hexa handle technology introduced by Slazenger ? It looks like a hole in the handle. how do they insert cork or rubber in these handles ?
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Weight is the simple answer
how much weight saving are we talking about?
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from what i hear there can be a difference of at least an ounce in weight, there by given bigger bats at a lighter weight
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The KG I came across had cork and it was dreadful! Detested it!!
My SS has rubber.
When I got CA bats made I asked Zahid Javed why they don't use rubber and he as Matt said it adds weight and there isn't much of a difference anyways.
Personally I prefer rubber as it makes pickup better IMHO which does make sense as more mass in hands.
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I think the best combo is cork/ rubber/ cork. The cork sticks better than rubber so its used in the ends.
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My B3 is cork and i can't tell the difference!
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Never paid attention to this, so if i get it right cork inserts essentially replauce the dark rubber inserts/lines in your bat handle? would that be the only way to tell? can someone post pics..i am not sure i would have noticed...
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Never paid attention to this, so if i get it right cork inserts essentially replauce the dark rubber inserts/lines in your bat handle? would that be the only way to tell? can someone post pics..i am not sure i would have noticed...
Sure, I'll get some pics up, give me a few minutes. 8)
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Cork inserts:
MSR
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030261_zps74ef3213.jpg)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030264_zps7f417efa.jpg)
CA Plus 5000
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030259_zps669faaaa.jpg)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030260_zps4e32bf7e.jpg)
And rubber inserts:
Broken Fusion bat (Unsure if UK or Asian made...)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030255_zps70451351.jpg)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030254_zps517348b8.jpg)
Red Ink LE
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030249_zpsf2078644.jpg)
Hunts County Triumph Cyclone
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030245_zps533f47f9.jpg)
Helios Atlas
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030267_zpsf281182e.jpg)
Hybrid Handles:
Laver and Wood PB with C-ten handle (Has cork inserts)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030250_zpsdce5642e.jpg)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030252_zps3f4dcc39.jpg)
Pakistani made Plain bat - cork-rubber-cork handle (An absolute gun according to friend I bought it for)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030256_zps8a48b5bf.jpg)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u419/Chaddy_117/P1030257_zps5fd179fd.jpg)
I didn't actually realise that rubber inserts came in different colours until I looked at my Helios' handle a little while back! Generally speaking, if you dig your nail slightly into the insert, you will find that rubber ones are slightly 'bouncy' while cork tend to be harder.
The fact that the C-ten handle has cork inserts suggests to me that cork inserts may perhaps give a slightly stiffer handle than rubber inserts, but I could be very wrong. They may be used instead of rubber as cork is lighter, or maybe even because the handle just constructs better with cork! A question for JL himself I reckon!
One thing I don't know how people figure out is the 'piece' number, like a 12 piece cane handle, how do you tell? From a glance, I can't really tell at all, I would call all of the handles I have popped up 4 piece cane handles, but I am not sure. What does the number of pieces do to a handle anyways? :-[
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One thing I don't know how people figure out is the 'piece' number, like a 12 piece cane handle, how do you tell? From a glance, I can't really tell at all, I would call all of the handles I have popped up 4 piece cane handles, but I am not sure. What does the number of pieces do to a handle anyways? :-[
Its not visible as top is sanded, buffed etc so the joints are difficult to see.
However, here is a picture which I found. Not very comprehensive but should give you an idea;
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/majid100no/SG12piecehandle.jpg)
I think pieces add strength to the handle, greater the number of pieces stronger it will be (and more energy absorption) and vice versa.
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Its not visible as top is sanded, buffed etc so the joints are difficult to see.
I always thought they were solid pieces Uzair!
Now I know ;-)
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Thanks Chad and Uzair
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One thing I have seen, the Pak made bat handles have a lot of black "burn" marks.
What are those? (Hope some one knows what I am talking about!)
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I believe a 12 piece handle is supposed to be stiffer than a 4 piece handle.
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One thing I have seen, the Pak made bat handles have a lot of black "burn" marks.
What are those? (Hope some one knows what I am talking about!)
Could be where they are turned on the lathe that the operator is using a blunt chisel when he's turning them out. Someone posted a lovely video of a bat factory on here somewhere and you can see the guy turning square handles into round ones (you've gotta be real careful doing that belive me!) Ryan, are you making your own handles on your lathe? I might have a go if i can source some cane.
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Could be where they are turned on the lathe that the operator is using a blunt chisel when he's turning them out. Someone posted a lovely video of a bat factory on here somewhere and you can see the guy turning square handles into round ones (you've gotta be real careful doing that belive me!) Ryan, are you making your own handles on your lathe? I might have a go if i can source some cane.
Not yet, I'd like to give it a go but its hard to find them "unturned". Be good if i could as I'd prefer them to be a bigger oval so I'm not constrained on the size.
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Could be where they are turned on the lathe that the operator is using a blunt chisel when he's turning them out. Someone posted a lovely video of a bat factory on here somewhere and you can see the guy turning square handles into round ones (you've gotta be real careful doing that belive me!) Ryan, are you making your own handles on your lathe? I might have a go if i can source some cane.
Sounds interesting - this video. which company was it for? wont mind checking it out.
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The video is somewhere on the bat makers section, I'm sure. It's all one guy doing most of it on a 3 phase band saw. Amazing to watch and something I would never even think about doing for fear of lopping off a finger!
Ryan, I am chasing down a company that might be able to supply raw cane that could be machined into slats. Well up for making my own handles instead of buying them for £15 a piece! I'll keep you posted.
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Hello everyone,
I just recently bought a Gray Nics Powerbow 900 bat and what i noticed is that the inserts are not at a straight line.
They are running diagonal across the handle. An analogy would be like looking at a clock and running 10 to 4 rather then 9 to 3 ( straight line)
Does this mean it is a poorly fitted handle?
thanks for the responses,
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Unusual for a GN, but yes I probably does. Is the bat definitely genuine?
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Hmmm! I read this as using a rubber or a cork, surely there is a place for both?
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Oooooh, missus!
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Unusual for a GN, but yes I probably does. Is the bat definitely genuine?
Yes, it is a genuine bat. The ping is not bad actually. The handle is a bit towards the thinner side, slightly oval at the bottom.
Also there seems to be a white residue, maybe a filler, shaved where the handle and the blade meet.
Should i return the bat back?
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(https://i.postimg.cc/sXQQBGWd/DSC-0054.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/2yn1GpT0/DSC-0055.jpg)
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I've got a couple of bats where the handle's like that, never had any problems. Photo of the binding's not clear but just looks like glue.
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Looks fine. Enjoy the bat
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Rubber inserts alot heavier than cork. Thats the only real difference. I heard something like ten times heavier.