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Title: Bounce spinner
Post by: imogzyboy on December 19, 2012, 09:32:47 AM
Hey guys I'm an off Spin bowler and each year i Carry on I find I'm getting more and more bounce I'm just wondering what is it that causes the bounce as a spin bowler?

Thanks
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: ajmw89 on December 19, 2012, 09:36:23 AM
How old are you?  If you're in your teens/early 20's, it might be because you're still growing, so the ball will be coming from an increased height every season.  Either that or you're getting more topspin than sidespin
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: ammo on December 19, 2012, 09:44:45 AM
more topspin and flight will give bounce?i think.
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: imogzyboy on December 19, 2012, 09:56:24 AM
I'm 19 almost 20 I am 6ft1 the main difference between my body a few years back and now is I weighed 16stone 5 I now only weigh 13 maybe that could be something
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: Manormanic on December 19, 2012, 10:06:49 AM
Unlikely that the weight will make much difference; its more likely that you are imparting a little more topspin on the ball, which means that it will kick more, and possibly that you're action has become more upright, hence you are making more of the height that you naturally have.
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: Kulli on December 19, 2012, 10:15:27 AM
I'm a fairly tall offspinner (6'2) and i always found that my high and natural action lead to more topspin and bounce than dramatic sidespin. However it can be an effective tool, especially in shorter format games.
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: uknsaunders on December 19, 2012, 10:37:28 AM
could be you aren't releasing the ball correctly and instead of getting side spin you are landing the ball like a cross-seamer and kicking off the surface? Get a half yellow/half red ball from sports direct and watch seam angle on release.
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: GarrettJ on December 19, 2012, 10:57:11 AM
Maybe you are bringing your fingers over the ball (12 o'clock) rather than round the ball (2 o'clock)??

In my opinion it is better to get bounce and a little spin ... a lot harder to play
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: Manormanic on December 19, 2012, 11:28:03 AM
thats true in many ways - if you get bounce on club pitches, you'll find a lot of batsmen try to hit over the top, get it too high on the bat and sky tame catches...
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: imogzyboy on December 19, 2012, 07:33:25 PM
Yeah I'm going to buy a half and half ball so I can see what it's doing in the air :)
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: Manormanic on December 20, 2012, 09:42:17 AM
when you do work it out, think very carefully before changing too much- I reckon your extra bounce is worth a significant amount of turn...
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: imogzyboy on December 20, 2012, 10:02:51 AM
yeah i will take that into consideration as at the level i play a lot of people struggle against it, its really weird on my home ground its always a case of turning alot! but other grounds i counted on the bounce and little bit of turn.
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: Manormanic on December 20, 2012, 11:41:20 AM
that could be down to your home pitch though - if you are getting a lot of top spin and a bit of side spin and the pitch is under rolled, you might find it gripping to dramatic results...
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: RossViper on December 21, 2012, 08:50:44 AM
Just a note lads,  spin has nothing to do with bounce.... 
Top spin will make the ball "faster", after the bounce back spin,  slows it down.... Most of the time we think this is more or less bounce,  but it's not really....
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: Manormanic on December 21, 2012, 08:58:02 AM
Just a note lads,  spin has nothing to do with bounce.... 

erm, yes it does.  Spin helps the ball to grip the surface, which affects how it responds after pitching...
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: uknsaunders on December 21, 2012, 09:39:14 AM
playing bounce can be very easy on slower decks. Once the batsman works out you get a bit of bounce he's likely to plonk himself on the back foot and look to cut/pull from a goodish length. Played against a few bounce spinners particularly indoors on matting and it does drive them mad when you pick them off a apparently good length. They end up bowling too full and getting driven.

Best of both worlds is to understand what you are actually doing with the ball and make subtle adjustments so not every ball kicks up. As a variation, lowering the arm or pushing it through quicker can help keep the batsman honest. Ideally imparting more side spin would be a real benefit.
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: Buzz on December 21, 2012, 09:42:44 AM
the best spinners I have faced get dip - so you think you are going to get a nice half volley and and instead the ball is on a length... typically dip also comes with drift - which are both created by lots of revs on the ball.

I have always felt that if you get dip the way the ball "drops" increases the bounce - although that may just be the topspin on the ball causing it to rush on to the batsman
Title: Re: Bounce spinner
Post by: Kulli on December 21, 2012, 09:51:12 AM
the best spinners I have faced get dip - so you think you are going to get a nice half volley and and instead the ball is on a length... typically dip also comes with drift - which are both created by lots of revs on the ball.

I have always felt that if you get dip the way the ball "drops" increases the bounce - although that may just be the topspin on the ball causing it to rush on to the batsman

I think the bounce also feels higher because the ball pitches shorter than you anticipate.