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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Newbery => Topic started by: stevie on June 11, 2008, 06:24:14 PM
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DO people consider Newbery a big brand? I would but thinking about it i've never really seen anyone really use them at my club or seen internationals use them. However they are always a brand you hear about.
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I would, all major shops stock them. They sponsor a number of players and produce a large number of bats (in comparison to a company such as Redback or Fusion)
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I have a Mjolnir and I would say it was without a doubt my best bat EVER. I rate newbery very highly and would say there are one of the major brands.
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I would definitely consider them a big brand! All the biggest cricket stores stock their products and I think they make brilliant bats
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I think what they have done is brilliant! They have been able to keep the hand-made aspect whilst churning out bats at nearly the same rate as the "big" companies. I would call them a big brand.
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I'd be suprised if they were anymore hand-made than GN, I remember being told by a guy that visited the factory that there's a machine they bought from Slaz there. How true it is I dunno, but I find it unlikely the can churn out the numbers they do without other means.
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Yeah, I suppose that will be the case, as I said I thought it was brilliant they could keep production up like that, obviously its too good to be true...
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Is it true that you can get a custom made newbery for something like £220 when a top of the range bat is more than that? Not sure if it's true but it's just something that i've heard.
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Well if you visit Hove (the factory shop) you can get some deals on kit, usually more room to negotiate too. Not sure on exact prices though.
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Thanks for that Tom i might have to consider that when i need a new bat.
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I am certain that they have a machine as I remember waching sky sports news and they had a small documentary on bat making and they were at newbery and i showed the machine making a bat with Tendulka's shape
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Is it true that you can get a custom made newbery for something like £220 when a top of the range bat is more than that? Not sure if it's true but it's just something that i've heard.
I'm sure you can get pretty much whatever you want, but when they have the vast selection of bats that they do, if you still can't find what you want then there's a problem.
Tom is right, they are great people down there, will help you out with whatever.
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Great company - The bats have always been brillaint and this year with the addition of the SPS softgoods range i would honestlly say they are my favourite allround Brand !
As if things couldn't get any better there is now the GRIZZLY RANGE.
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i would consider them a big brand, i have a lot of Newbery gear and i rate it higher than anything ellse ive had. i live in sussex where they are made and so a lot of club players use them, probably more than in other parts of the country, which may be why you have not seen many club players using them
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First how does one define a "big brand"?
If it's purely on the basis of sales, then it's definitely not Newberry (and none of the other big names from the UK). If measured on marketing and publicity then again Newbery is not the one (as no one outside the UK has heard of Newbery. GM, Kookaburra , Woodworm, Puma and GN score here).
I would say for me a a "big brand" is one which can offer a balanced mix of quality and money and one on which I can place my trust to perform up to my expectations. These are exactly the parameters that Newbery is unbeatable on.
Till recently Newbery has been innovating within the ethical parameters of cricket. They were probably one of the later ones to come out with carbon handles and that to only for the UZI and one other profile. Gray Nicolls has spoilt the sport by introducing Titanium and Carbon handles. I am yet to come across a professional player who uses these so called revolutionary handles.
For me Newbery is at the epitome of bat making.
If you want fancy labels these can purchased and put on any bat.
It's the bats performance (and also how well it is used) that is noted.
So do not spend money on buying big marketed brands. Many of them don't even make their own bats (Kookaburra, Woodworm, Puma are just examples).
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The aussies have heard of newbery? Theyre sold there!
In my opinion a big brand is a brand that sells in more than one country and has good quality bats!
If it was not for quality why would Puma get their bats made from Newbery???
Please dont make accusations unless you can prove them otherwise you could get yourself into trouble... prove or delete!
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Hi,
Thanks for the caution. This is my first time on the forum.
Deleted the bit about P and NB. Though I have heard it from reliable sources I would not like to get the forum or myself into any controversies.
Thanks Leo.
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Yes, the Newbery's sell in AUS too, but again I am not sure if they are as popular as the Kookaburra's or the GM's
Many bats made in India and Pakistan probably sell in more countries than Newbery but that does not make them big brands with exceptions.
Going by my experience, I would say Newbery's are more popular with slightly older players (thought the UZI has really picked-up among the younger players) and players with a more classical / technically correct playing style.
In fact, I plan to travel to Hove and get either a Newbery UZI or get my Puma Millichamp replicated.
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Cheers for deleting Yash!
I would highly recommend a newbery Uzi - great bats! I had a 'players' (Grade 2 supposedly!) 18 straight grains!
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Hi Leo,
I have been offered a UZI SPS for £170 (incl. postage and Hammer edge treatment). IS this a good price?
Or should I opt for a UZI C6+ which is £180 with extras as above
The positive is that I can get one to my own specs and with 16 or more grains....
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Talisman is the man for all things Newbery he maybe back on soon
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yash, i would personally recommend the c6+, at only a tenner more it has got to be worth it.
i have used a c6+ and they are simply awesome bats.
£180 is a great price for a c6+ and £170 is a decent price for a sps model.
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HOw does the carbon handle feel?
I tried carbon and titanium handles on the GNs but they felt very hard...maybe because of the self sticking grip they use...
are the Newbery carbon handles better?
Is the cane handle more stiffer than the carbon handle or is it the other way round?
Which gives more power to the shots?
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That's great prices Yash.
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i thought the carbon handle feels great on newbery's, i find it to be much better than the GN version they use on the pro performance models.
the carbon handle provides more power as it has a bit of flex in it, this is why they are being banned in 1st class cricket next year as they provide an unfair advantage. from next year only a certain amount of another material can be used.
however because of the natural properties of carbon there may be a problem in a few of them, the GN ones had big problems with breaking so for this reason an sps may be better?
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MCC did a good thing with putting it's foot down on such innovations
Also my observations are that (1) bats with carbon and titanium handles are not very popular outside the UK (maybe Aus to some extent) and (2) I do not know of any professional cricketer using bats with carbon and titanium handles.
The carbon shaft handles on the Puma Vendetta and baliistic range feels great. No idean about the carbon core in the Lavers though? Has one used the carbo lavers?
I think I would stick to the SPS, especially after reading the write-up on the C6+ on Newbery's website.
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yes sticking to the sps may be a good idea, the willow is identical, the only differnece between the 2 is the handle.
i have used 3 lavers with carbon handles (legal ones) and have found them to be perfect, they give you a slight edge over your opposition but nothing to dramatic. all 3 have pinged beautifully and the handle doesn't feel adversely different to a normal cane handle but the power it helps to produce is certaintly superior to its cane counterpart. i think laver have got it spot on!
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I'd go for the cane handle, it's the most widely used handle and has been pretty successful over the years. I'd go for the SPS @ £170, ask Talisman on here to sort you out though as he does gets some beauties. Check out his ebay also, BRIM313
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I guess our source is the same - Mike Brimble....
I am getting one through Mike.
Wanted to pay him today but had to leave for Madrid on a very short notice.
Will finalize next week though
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yeah mikes great, i've got a custom coming in the next week or so. hope its a beauty!
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you will get it next week as he is going this Friday to Newbery.
Lucky you.......
Which bat have you ordered?
Do post the pictures...
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i ordered a custom with tight grains, strip of heartwood, LH, 2.10, GN nitro profile with cadbury stickers, all in all should be a stunner.
will post pics when it arrives.
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I am also planning to order one with 18 grains but 2lb9oz with a light pick-up and with Grizzly stickers.....
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i'm getting a net bat with it so might get the grizzly stickers on that if possible.
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okay you took the £200 quid package from him £150 for the custom bat and £50 for the net bat...right?
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yep, seemed a good deal. mike likes to take a few of the lower grade bats of tims hands at the same time, as it obviously unfair if he keeps taking the finest clefts.
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back on topic - i don't consider newbery a big brand yet. a big brand to me is one that is known throughout cricketing countries, mass produces equipment and is available in every single store you walk into. newbery isn't quite there yet for me, which i consider a good thing as the quality may decline if they were to become this big.
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I'd say that maybe Newbery and Bradbury, perhaps even Hunts County are on the edge of big brands probably medium sized. They're not the major players, but compared to Fusion or Redback they're large. sponsor a number of players and are sold in many retail outlets.
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got to agree with you there, would also add salix and warsop to that list.
what do you reckon to laver and wood, renowned for quality handmade bats but does this qualify them as a big, medium or small sized brand? as their soft goods are rarely seen
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Small, ask most at your club and they won't have heard of them. Same with Fusion and Redback.
However mention Newbery or Bradbury. Or like you say, Salix more will have. Then you get the largest ones, Slazenger etc and nearly all will have.
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fair point, your team mates are quite a good measure although knowing mine i'm not sure they've even heard of slazenger :o, stupid bunch i tell you
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We can probably add M&H to the list of brands on the verge of becoming big brands.
The fact remains that, these brands will probably never find a foothold in the subcontinent markets and I believe they would never like to venture into the subcontinent marekts.
English bats will not survive / perform in the subcontinent given the kind of balls used there (much harder).
But if we exclude the subcontinent market (which is big in volumes thought) and brands like Kookaburra, Puma, Woodwoor (who do not make their own bats), then I would like definately think of Newbery as a big brand followed by Salix, M&H and Bradbury.
But in this worls where brands are evaluated on purely financial basis and recall.... I am afraid the above 3 lose out.
Which could mean to an extent that these brands are not "mass brands" but "niche brands" popular among more serious cricketers (if I may say so)..... looking for performance equipment rather than eyecatching labels....
(IN no way I am trying to convey that people using other brands are not serious about their cricket)
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Some people at my club even in my mens team have no clue on brands and I think it is the half-hearted cricketer that stops the quality brands shining as they should do. These people literally know 5 or 6 brands- ie GM, GN, Slaz, Puma, Kook and Woodworm! With the exception of Woodworm though all these brands have proved that to make money you have to have money to sponsor big stars and have your bats stocked in all the shops.
All of them but Woodworm are part of another company in which they can source a cash backing from ie GM- Unicorn, Gray Nicolls- Grays Sports, Slazenger- Slazenger Dunlop, Puma- obviously source money from their football and fashion and Kookaburra also have a hockey make.
The likes of Newbery, Salix, Hunts County etc are only going to be right up there if they join a franchise or something so they have money to sponsor a couple of world class players. Woodworm went wrong by jumping in at the deep end spending money on Fred and later KP which they didn't really have.
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If i got $1 everytime i batted and someone asked me what brand and where i got my laver and wood from, i would be rich ! :P