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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: joeylough on January 02, 2013, 09:23:46 AM
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Well just thought I would have a look at the scorecard.
wait NZ 27/5
woow Philander back on the form of the beginning of 2012. I think he likes the new year.
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woow Philander back on the form of the beginning of 2012. I think he likes the new year.
Or NZ are so execrable they shouldn't be playing Test cricket.
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See my comment above
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They have left there best player out, against the No1 Ranked test team which odd.
But of course there was the captain debate leading up to this test. I'm sure they should be putting up more of a fight than this, hopefully the second innings will bring some runs.
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5/7 in a test match...that's ridiculous!
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i know there going through a what is it they say rebuilding phase but this is just embarrassing
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whoever runs NZ cricket should just resign in embarrasment, how Ross Taylor got sacked after a 1-1 result in Sri Lanka is beyond belief.
read Martin crowe's views freely available on the net for the current shambles that is NZ cricket
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45 ao
Any bets of a one day Test?
SA to knock up 200 and declare then bowl them out again...
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sod that, ask the SA bats to just bat for 3 days.. rack up as many runs as possible and massage their averages.. Then bowl them out on day 4 and 5.
Sod getting it over with quickly, make the buggers suffer in the field, demoralise them for the rest of the tour!
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I think a 300 and declare is the most likely, bat for two days and then bowl them out in a session.
Poor form, a bit like England in UAE.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-australia-2011/engine/match/514029.html
Deja Vu anyone?
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How ironic that Chris Martin was the n.o. batsman!
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How ironic that Chris Martin was the n.o. batsman!
im a big fan of Chris Martin's sweat band!
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thank god for williamson and extras, and of course martin for lasting a whole 3 balls!
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Hooray. Another worse than England's 46 ao...
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i remember that 46 ao like it was yesterday.Ambrose took us apart.
that was viewing from behind the sofa. started badly of course with Athers going 1st ball
and got worse
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Newlands really is a staggeringly beautiful ground isnt it, has anyone watched a game there or toured SA?
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I really feel for NZ - something needs to be done about the current setup as it's obviously not working.
When a player as good as Martin Crowe writes an open letter, you know you're in deep.
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Newlands really is a staggeringly beautiful ground isnt it, has anyone watched a game there or toured SA?
Growing up in Cape Town I watched many games at Newlands. Absolutely love going there. Very relaxed atmosphere and I loved sitting the grass banks as a kid! The mountain backdrop is not bad either ;)
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Growing up in Cape Town I watched many games at Newlands. Absolutely love going there. Very relaxed atmosphere and I loved sitting the grass banks as a kid! The mountain backdrop is not bad either ;)
lucky sod!!! i think im gonna starting saving for the next SA tour.....
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13000 runs @ 57 for kallis, incredible achievement. He should go past Ponting and Dravid easily but Sachin still way out in front.
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walked in to the gym, New Zealand were just starting out, came out of the gym and Graeme Smith was walking off...
I really thought I'd mistaken who was batting first!
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whole test match could be over by lunch tomorrow with an early declaration :D
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Declare now! They probably have enough to win this test!!
Although tbh, If I were SA I'd just say 'go out and score 700 runs'. Bat till lunchtime on day 4 and then skittle them. Use it as training, time in the middle, overs under the belt etc etc.
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I think that the Saffers will want to give Dean Elgar some exposure and a chance to bat after his stellar *cough* debut (or Gavin Hamilton) against the Aussies.
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This series is a huge mismatch. A side in Disaray after some calamities on and off the field. Vs a side who have just spent forever on the road beating everyone and are now finally home to soak up the home atmosphere for a change. This game should be over tomorrow really.
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live radio commentary on this available on http://www.radiosport.co.nz/player/listenlive/ for those working from home today ;)
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I think this pretty much tells the story of the two first innings...
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/Ataleoftwoinnings_zps581ee7b1.png)
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from bad to worse. 3 ball duck. Starting to think I could get a start for NZ.
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29/2. The Saffas are into the Kiwi tail...
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You could argue the tattooed pinch hitter that opened could be considered part of the tail in Test cricket
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SA dropping catches like it's going out of fashion. Tough chances, admittedly, but you usually see them gobbled up by the likes of Smith and Kallis (Petersen dropped the other, sorry, not Amla).
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Anybody watching this? NZ currently 39-6 chasing 500 odd
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yeah, not a good time to be a Kiwi supporter. Do we have any Kiwi's on the forum to let us know why their game isn't getting many quality players coming through??
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Anybody watching this? NZ currently 39-6 chasing 500 odd
Nice to see Dean Elgar get some runs, he was beginning to look massively out of place in that lineup purely because he hasn't scored a ton!
Waste of time this series, wonder how the English seam attack will get on against this batting lineup.
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i can honestly say i would rather watch us battling it out against AUS..
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i can honestly say i would rather watch us battling it out against AUS..
And I can honestly say that you would be 12-6 chasing 800+ lol
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any highlights online?
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any highlights online?
http://mycrickethighlights.com/latest-cricket-highlights/ (http://mycrickethighlights.com/latest-cricket-highlights/)
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Thought Faf du plessis looked very classy today, anyone else think Elgar bats exactly like ashwell prince?
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Faf looks really good currently. He just about sums up though how the 'men in the know' constantly get things wrong and mark a players card and get it wrong. Faf was 'just a T20/ODI player apparently....
This does show though that coaches/capts and players shouldn't judge a player to 'only be this or that' without giving them a proper chance.
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cheers Tush
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The same was done with Cook and look at him now
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The same was done with Cook and look at him now
In tests or are you on about his 'inability to play ODI's/T20's' ?
I remember him being constantly called not good enough for ODI's which of course is rubbish.
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Faf is a ledge. Calmness with the bat and an excellent fielder
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I think cook would still be class in t20's for England. He is one of the few to have a T20 hundred to his name.
Same goes for Amla, what a player he is turning into. A genuine world class player now
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I think this would be my world 11 currently :)
KP, Cook, Amla, ABdV, Prior, Clarke, Sangakkara with Swann, Steyn, Morkal, Anderson
Can't believe I can't find a spot for the majestic Kallis, in form Faf or Steven Finn :(
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Id make one chafe abvd for kallis
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I think this would be my world 11 currently :)
KP, Cook, Amla, ABdV, Prior, Clarke, Sangakkara with Swann, Steyn, Morkal, Anderson
Can't believe I can't find a spot for the majestic Kallis, in form Faf or Steven Finn :(
Finn needs to become a England regular before even considering him on any work eleven
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yeah, not a good time to be a Kiwi supporter. Do we have any Kiwi's on the forum to let us know why their game isn't getting many quality players coming through??
Tough to admit Im a Kiwi at the moment.
The Ross Taylor fiasco didn't help. And with Jesse Ryder Holding the country to ransom we simply don't have the talent at the moment. That, coupled with NZ players focusing on T20 and the $$$.
On a side note our batsman rarely/if ever face the talent of these bowlers. Our domestic scene is no way to blood test match batsman.
When Taylor comes back, and hopefully Ryder we will have a couple of world class players again. Fingers crossed.
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Until the England series, i'm a firm Kiwi supporter, i want you guys to be as strong as possible, so the England boys can face a decent challenge before a tough year of Aussie bashing!
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Until the England series, i'm a firm Kiwi supporter, i want you guys to be as strong as possible, so the England boys can face a decent challenge before a tough year of Aussie bashing!
So you're the other supporter.
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Well this is one watching. Anyone else think that they will struggle to get 300 in total.
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Tough to admit Im a Kiwi at the moment.
The Ross Taylor fiasco didn't help. And with Jesse Ryder Holding the country to ransom we simply don't have the talent at the moment. That, coupled with NZ players focusing on T20 and the $$$.
On a side note our batsman rarely/if ever face the talent of these bowlers. Our domestic scene is no way to blood test match batsman.
When Taylor comes back, and hopefully Ryder we will have a couple of world class players again. Fingers crossed.
So you blame the players over the board?
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So you blame the players over the board?
Yes and No.
The way they handled the Taylor incident was terrible (The board, Coach, Selectors). Very unprofessional and crap for Taylor and the team.
I put none of the blame on Taylor. Ryder is just doing what ever the hell he wants and doesn't give the team a second thought IMO.
As far as blaming the players, well lack of talent and skill cannot excuse all out for 47. No heart was shown.
And as I said lack of quality bowlers in the domestic scene makes the step up to SA's pace attack very very difficult.
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Unfortunately when you have the shallow depth of talent NZ have you cannot afford to not have your best players in the team - simple as that
The board/coach need to show some man management skills and swallow some pride and get Taylor and Ryder back in the side ASAP because without them NZ are fast becoming a laughing stock
Also McCullum to me is not a Test match top 4 player. I know he is batting there partly out of necessity but there is no future in it and he should be at 6 for me. Although it might not make much difference at present!
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Ok so I'm just watching my recorded day 3 of the SA vs NZ test.. Just watched J.Patel get cleaned up, now don't get me wrong I'm sure most/all of us here would retreat to square leg when faced with Steyn BUT this guy is a pro cricketer!!! What he did for 3 balls was nothing less than embarrassing. Fair enough nicking off, or even getting done bowled/LBW due to lack of technique but to be running around the crease.. The guy needs sacking from the NZ set up and Pro cricket.
I'm speechless. That is just... wow
On the flip side, McCullum is no opener but he's shown really good fight and so has Watling.
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He did the same thing in the first test, I think it's easy to say he should be doing better. Most mortals would prefer to face Steyn from the pavilion so he is getting closer to the ball than most.
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He did the same thing in the first test, I think it's easy to say he should be doing better. Most mortals would prefer to face Steyn from the pavilion so he is getting closer to the ball than most.
He's a pro though, surely we all expect better of them?? If it were us then jesus, to right i'm off for a quick chat with the umpire at square leg every ball in the hope he takes pitty on me and bowls me.
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I think it shows the level of fight in that NZ side at the moment, the way he trudged off showed how low the morale level in that team is.
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SA getting pretty good at retiring international cricket captains....who is next...
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SA getting pretty good at retiring international cricket captains....who is next...
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not sure if this link from a facebook pic will show or not....
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/226087_10152084794655584_1566442004_n.jpg (http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/226087_10152084794655584_1566442004_n.jpg)
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yip, looks like it works..
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I think he's implying about Graeme Smith's record of retiring international captains, in particular English ones; Hussian, Vaughn, Strauss... Quite possibly if NZ are embarrassed any further there might be wholesale changes after this series.
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I think he's implying about Graeme Smith's record of retiring international captains, in particular English ones; Hussian, Vaughn, Strauss... Quite possibly if NZ are embarrassed any further there might be wholesale changes after this series.
McCullum is a reluctant capt anyway (I think) so doubt he'd be too fussed. Shouldn't have got rid of Taylor.
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McCullum is a reluctant capt anyway (I think) so doubt he'd be too fussed. Shouldn't have got rid of Taylor.
i dont know what the situation is in NZ with their cricket....whether its funding, talent or what....but they do need to look at where cricket is headed in their country....but lets not forget they beat the aussies a few months ago in aus..
there is some fight left there for sure but something needs to change...
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I think he's reluctance is more to do with how the got the captaincy more than anything else. They're certainly missing Ross Taylor as well, but this is again down to their new coach, although he says he will be back for the series against England.
I agree with Jason that they need to look at where cricket is headed, but they're always going to be fighting against rugby union, and right now the All Blacks are on the crest of a wave so I would imagine it must be very hard for them to get the funding and support staff they need to be successful (I could be seriously wrong here). If I'm honest I don't see NZ being a force in cricket again, almost like the Windies, countries like South Africa, Australia, India (possibly) and England have the set up, players with talent and knowledge in place in order to be successful for a long time to come.
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saw that Taylor tweeted he was hoping to be back for the England series
as an England fan i hope he and Ryder both make a return to give us more of a game
Flynn doesnt look up to much, Guptill and McCullum cant seem to turn ODI and T20 form into decent test match form
and they are lacking depth with their bowling options, Southee had hit some form, and Martin is steady and experienced, lacking real world class spinner without Vettori
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I think he's reluctance is more to do with how the got the captaincy more than anything else. They're certainly missing Ross Taylor as well, but this is again down to their new coach, although he says he will be back for the series against England.
I agree with Jason that they need to look at where cricket is headed, but they're always going to be fighting against rugby union, and right now the All Blacks are on the crest of a wave so I would imagine it must be very hard for them to get the funding and support staff they need to be successful (I could be seriously wrong here). If I'm honest I don't see NZ being a force in cricket again, almost like the Windies, countries like South Africa, Australia, India (possibly) and England have the set up, players with talent and knowledge in place in order to be successful for a long time to come.
I dont agree that we will never be a force again. Yes we are seriously struggling at the moment, not unlike England a decade ago and now look at them. Yes we struggle to match the funding and depth of other countries but I definitely think we are capable of being higher than the WI and Sri Lanka in test matches. And we will always have one offs where we can beat a top four country.
We will always be a giant killer in ODI and T20. I always believe we have a chance of winning the World Cup.
At the moment we are getting a lesson on how to play test cricket. We don't have a chance of bowling out SA or England twice. We have a very fragile batting line up and no spinner. Very sad.
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NZ will be back. They are missing their best 3 players remember. They need a coach who can pull them all in the same direction and remind them that they are representing their nation. Lock Jeetan Patel in a room with Richie McCaw for an hour and see if he still wants to back away to leg whilst batting
Don't know much about the finances of NZ cricket but they have historically always had a gritty squad - Styris, McMillan, Richardson etc with a few special flair players thrown into the mix - Cairns, Bond, Astle
They still have the flair if they can get Ryder and Taylor back in the side, what they need to show then is grit and team spirit
Stephen Fleming should be involved with the team, if anyone can get the best out of them he can
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Stephen Fleming is involved in the team - he manages certain 'big' players but not others, who may or may not have had a raw deal...
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McCullum looks shellshocked!
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For the series against England, if everyone is fit and available then the Kiwis should select the following side:
1.Watling
2. McCullum
3. Brownlie
4. Taylor
5. Ryder
6. Williamson
7. Ronchi
8. Vettori
9. Southee
10. Bracewell
11. Boult
Watling showed against the Proteas that he has very good temperament and has a good technique. He's wasted at 6/7 trying to save the innings when all hell has broken out around him.
McCullum's record is opener is better than anywhere else in the batting order. It's a choice between McCullum and Guptill for me, and sadly Guptill isn't Test class.
Brownlie, Taylor and Ryder are the Kiwis 3 best FC batsmen so they lock out 3,4&5.
Williamson is a good young player, at present he shouldn't bat higher than 6. The other alternative I was inclined to pick was Mathew Sinclair. Whilst he's 37 and had numerous chances at Test level, he'd still scoring plenty at FC level. Williamson gets the nod as he can bowl a few overs of off breaks.
Ronchi is a fantastic gloveman. His batting is explosive and can change a Match within 15-20 overs. It needs to be noted that when he played for Western Australia he averaged 32 in FC with 5 hundreds. In NZ FC he's already blasted 4 hundreds and averages 75.
Vettori isn't the bowler he once was, but his batting gets him in alone. His bowling keeps an end quite to rotate the 3 quicks.
The Southee, Bracewell and Boult trifecta works well and they complement each other.
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Stephen Fleming is involved in the team - he manages certain 'big' players but not others, who may or may not have had a raw deal...
Fleming rejected the NZ job. He said he's doesn't want to be away from his young family for extended periods of time.
Coaching the Chennai IPL side for 6 weeks gets him more money than coaching NZ would in 3-5 years.
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I didn't say he coached the team, just managed a few of the players like McCullum and Southee.
He has a benign influence.
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Southee is a waste of space, a poor mans broad.
Woeful
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Southee is a waste of space, a poor mans broad.
Woeful
Poor mans Broad?? I'd be glad if England gave him away tbh! Totally over-rated and big headed with it.
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Poor mans Broad?? I'd be glad if England gave him away tbh! Totally over-rated and big headed with it.
Yes A poor mans broad, a crapper version of broad. Who is also an average cricketer!!
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Sorry but there's no way Tim Southee is a rubbish cricketer.
He's still only 24. He's part of a pretty green seam bowling attack.
Southee is getting better all the time.
In fact 2012 was Southee's breakthrough season in Test cricket. He took a 7 wicket haul in India, the last fast bowler to do that was Dale Steyn.
Southee then inspired NZ to victory over SL in SL with a 8 wicket match haul.
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I have to agree, his body language is pretty poor at times
But he is a talented player, and can bat when he applies himself hits a long ball
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I like Southee as well. I've always thought that he had something about him. Good bowler and he'll keep improving. He does need an attitude adjustment though but maybe that's just his age showing itself. He'll cause Englands batsmen some problems in helpful conditions...no doubt about it. Don't think NZ will beat England but I do think it will be more competitive than people think.
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First ODI today.
NZ with a much improved showing.
Dismissed Amla, Smith and ABDV cheaply.
Faf and Ryan McLaren rebuilding the innings after Ingram and de Kock both failed to get a big score.
Faf must be the most improved cricketer around. 2 years ago no one would've said he'd be a Test player or have captained in country in 3 T20is
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Went to a good school mind...
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Speek for yourself buddy, i knew he'd be a test cricketer ;)
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Well done the Kiwis, very pleased for them. Some serious balls shown by the tail
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ABDV has been banned for 2 matches, for a poor over rate, meaning he's out for the remained of the series.
Faf has been named as skipper for the remaining two games. It's stunning how Faf has become so important in such a short space of time.
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Seems to fit the bill, he's a pretty experienced cricketer with all the IPL and County cricket under his belt. Amla, Kallis, Peterson, Duminy either dont need it or don't come across as skipper material so he's next in line I suppose. Strange that Smith couldn't just do the remainder of the series
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Seems to fit the bill, he's a pretty experienced cricketer with all the IPL and County cricket under his belt. Amla, Kallis, Peterson, Duminy either dont need it or don't come across as skipper material so he's next in line I suppose. Strange that Smith couldn't just do the remainder of the series
It was strange that ABDV was made T20/ODI skipper.
ABDV had never even captained his school team.
Faf and AB played in the same school team, Faf was skipper.
Amla is the skipper of the Dolphins, when he's not on International duty, he's an intelligent man, he would've done a good job.
On paper Amla is the ODI vice captain
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I wouldn't change anything to do with Amla, he is fine doing what he is doing. No need to make him skipper.
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When ABDV had a secure place in the team when he was made skipper, while Faf was in the background.
Faf has deserved his chance for the teams and skippering the smaller formats at an earlier stage, its good to see that his hard work has come to the forefront and his place is now settled in the team.
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It was strange that ABDV was made T20/ODI skipper.
ABDV had never even captained his school team.
Faf and AB played in the same school team, Faf was skipper.
Amla is the skipper of the Dolphins, when he's not on International duty, he's an intelligent man, he would've done a good job.
On paper Amla is the ODI vice captain
Amla doesn't like doing it, when he last did it his form dipped as well, so I can understand why he wouldn't want to do it. He's not really a natural captain.
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Great finish from the kiwis in their innings to post 279. Kane Williamson does look the real deal
but he needed it after his test series.
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Very funny send off when Mills got rid of the young saffer keeper dekock, something like:
"Just like Bouchers play mate ey?" "Thanks for that one (wicket) buddy!"
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90 from 78 balls pretty good scenario for SA!
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This is beautifully set for a tight finish. Id like to see the Kiwis nick something after the pasting they copped in the Tests.
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How many run outs???? :o muppets... Well done to NZ first ever ODI series win in SA..
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this will see SA slip down the rankings.
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Got to say I'm now very amused we lost the series.
Jimmy Franklin played out of his skin in the 1st match and fairplay to him.
But in the 2nd match some of the bowling was terrible. Ryan McLaren has the odd decent match then too many terrible ones. Morne was all over the show at times.
Plenty of credit to Kane Williamson though, the kid struggled in the Tests but is a serious talent.
Obviously when ABDV and Amla return their will be more experience in the batting. Colin Ingram played a good innings.
One change I'd like to see is Graeme Smith retire from ODIs. His fielding is being exposed. He's a fantastic slip fielder, but his lack of mobility is a problem when the opposition are plundering the bowling.
I think Henry Davids deserves a shot. He's in good form and he played well in his 3 T20I matches.
Smith should certainly stay in the Test though.
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More good news coming out of South Africa is exciting speedster Marchant de Lange is close to making his return.
He was the man labelled as being the death bowler in ODIs. He has an excellent cricketing brain for someone so fresh to international cricket.
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Very funny send off when Mills got rid of the young saffer keeper dekock, something like:
"Just like Bouchers play mate ey?" "Thanks for that one (wicket) buddy!"
Mills is a chump. Way to give the young guy a send off. Send offs are so cowardly.
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Mills is a chump. Way to give the young guy a send off. Send offs are so cowardly.
Not sure i agree.
I'm a big fan of de Kock but he loves giving the chat out.
If he gets it back, he has to take it in the chin.
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Not sure i agree.
I'm a big fan of de Kock but he loves giving the chat out.
If he gets it back, he has to take it in the chin.
I agree.. Lets face it at that level if a young chap comes in for his first game hits a couple of big shots and gets out he should have a few words in his ear. It is of course international cricket...
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Not sure i agree.
I'm a big fan of de Kock but he loves giving the chat out.
If he gets it back, he has to take it in the chin.
I still think Mills is a chump.
I'm all for some banter out in the middle but I hate send offs as the batsman doesn't have a leg to stand on. When he's out, then you've won the battle, no need to rub it in... I've seen so many bowlers who have been smashed round the park and say nothing and then, boom a wicket, suddenly they're the worlds greatest bowler.
Unless he's been giving you flack all game, then let him have it.