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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: adam1312 on January 03, 2013, 11:16:55 PM
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What can I do to bowl quick, fitness and technical changes?
What muscles groups should I improve, also I'm an all rounder so need/want to be strong for batting as well.
What things technically do fast bowlers do? But I'm a swing bowler but still want to bowl faster but want to maintain accuracy and swing skill so.
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Fitness and muscular endurance are essential to fast bowlers. But also having a strong core,shoulder and legs are important.
Most of your speed actually comes down to your technique. Also just having that natural raw aggression to bowl fast helps too!
If you wanted more help you should post a video on here of your action so you can get us to dissect it, you would pick up a lot more tips that way
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True quick bowlers tend to be naturally quick. It's just something they can do. You can certainly do certain things to make you a bit quicker but, assuming your an adult, if you're not properly quick now then you ain't going to get a lot quicker!Concentrate on swinging the ball and controlling it. Even better if you can make it go both ways. That will get you more wickets than a 5mph increase in pace will......
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Only thing i can tell you is correct weight, fitness and rhytm will make you feel super fast....and confident...if you are fit and can bowl a lot of overs without losing steam and staying accurate you will notice a huge difference in results...
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If you aren't naturally quick then you'll find it quite tough. Assuming you are young and relatively whippy, you may have something to work with, but if you are over eighteen and not already around 70 mph, you'll find it tough. Where are we starting from?
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You're like 15 right? You'll get taller, broader and quicker over the next few years naturally. Working on your core muscles will help you bowl for longer though! I'm pretty sure you'll get quicker as long as you keep trying to bowl fast. Although it is tricky if you struggle to find much pace as you are now, kind of like the way if you're not naturally inclined to run fast it's hard to turn someone into a sprinter. Then again i don't know the logistica of it all but i speak from experience, I'm 17 and still getting faster.
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I would say I bowl around 60mph but don't have any videos of my bowling
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I would say I bowl around 60mph but don't have any videos of my bowling
Most people who estimate their own bowling speed tend to over-estimate by around 10mph... Until you have been radar clocked, you won't really know.
The last time I was measured was off three paces at the Oval in the NatWest "Michael Vaughan" bowling challenge thing 3 or 4 years ago. I came in at 55mph when doing that. There were much younger kids from Wanstead running in off 10 paces flinging it down at 65mph. It's really difficult to tell what your own pace is without having it properly measured.
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ive been clocked at 65mph off 3 paces and im by no means quick. if im lucky i could possibly hit 70 with an effort ball and the right coaching/technique. you will struggle to improve much more than 5mph unless your young and havent developed yet or your technique is so bad that proper coaching means you do things more efficiently and stronger therefore bowling quick. as has been said before, get yourself clocked. and if your not already at 70-75mph by the time your 18 you probably never will be.
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I only turned 16 a few weeks ago so I'm not fully developed. Also we had a cheap speed gun at training last year, it said 60 but don't know how accurate it was.
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if youre normal build and dont have particularly strong shoulders or arms work on your technique and run up.It is possible to improve actual pace but not by that much,most are naturally quick or especially strong.
im not a bowler but a good tip ive heard is also work on keeping the seam straight
it's easier to say than do and needs a lot or practice.
if you are a youngster be careful not to strain on delivery and in the nets, youre run up and actual technique can get better with practice
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As you're 16, the other word of caution is don't push it too hard. I destroyed my shoulder ten years ago through trying to bowl too fast. After a lot of physio and having to change how I bowl, I still play, but I lost a lot of pace through that. If it doesn't feel right, stop doing it.
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Firstly can we get this topic renamed. It feels like the standard of English is appalling. I would get back in the classroom rather than worrying about bowling speeds.
I will be helpful and say read this
http://www.pitchvision.com/how-to-bowl-fast
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Roca
When correcting someone's grammer it's always best to make sure your spelling in the post isn't appalling! ;)
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Roca
When correcting someone's grammer it's always best to make sure your spelling in the post isn't appalling! ;)
Ha, fair point, I missed a L, Thanks for pointing it out though :)
can you now help me score runs properly quick and very effectively?
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I read a good / interesting book by Ian Pont called The Fast Bowlers Bible (or something like that).
While I was never speedy to begin with I certainly felt an improvement after trying to impliment some of the theory & recommendations in that book.
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Ha, fair point, I missed a L, Thanks for pointing it out though :)
can you now help me score runs properly quick and very effectively?
Afraid not :D
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Afraid not :D
'U' tell him ;)
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What velocity would you consider fast for my age in mph?
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i would imagine someone hitting 70-75mph plus would be quick at that age.
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In a phrase don't do it
I messed my knee up from bowling fast too young (plus playing 4 sports for 6 teams but won't go into that) I was 18 when it went but bowled too quick too young without building muscles up
For 16 65-70 is quick enough before knee went I was clocked at 83.4mph at Warwickshire nets but all went to pot
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Out of curiosity, adam, what is your ethnicity? Individuals of black and hispanic heritage seem to have a tendency towards stronger bones (ceteris paribus) possibly leading to fewer bone related injuries? Either way your nearest county cricket centre may have facilities to record speed if you pay for a coaching sesseion. They are also most likely better equipped to advise you on this as they can see you in person!
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White british
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Any other advice
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Have you got any video footage of you bowling?
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I would reiterate what was said above about purchasing Ian Pont's book. It covers technique as well as fitness, weight training, injury prevention, flexibility and more. For under £10 it's a worthy investment given his coaching credentials.
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I think you should just see how you develop naturally, im 16 and when i was 14 my mate was our go to 'quicky' but still werent really that fast, but last season when we were 15 when the season started he was getting clocked at 70 mph. so i think if it is to be it will come naturally
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I turned 16 a few days ago and i bowl 70mph (reasonably consistently).I play a pretty decent level and we have some bowlers that have reached mid- late 70's. The most important thing is having a good techniqe and i cannot stress this enough we have had so many injuries over the last year, the amount of stress fracutres in the teens is rediculous so take care of your body and your body will take care of you. Just try to build a sustainable action that you can repeat consistently and only bowl at a comfortable pace (that you can also repeat again and again). You will get stronger as you get older and that will make a big difference to your pace.Until then build up your stamina and try do some light muscle training i recommend using resistance band they are very good for building muscular endurance and getting stronger/fitter. Height also plays a large role in pace bowling you want to be getting decent bounce and carry.
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As a keeper whos kept to various quality and non quality quicks over the years, to me its all about the action, and most importantly, the rhythm.
This year we were lucky enough to have John 'the dentist' Maynard (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/52501.html) at our club for the second half of the season. Whilst no longer possessing the searing pace that his reputation was built on, he was still rapid when he wanted to shovel one through. He has a beautiful action though. Watching him strolling in with his long, leggy strides, it was a joy to keep down the other end to be honest.
His stock ball looked effortless compared to one of our young up and comers, who is quick, but his action is best described as an octopus falling out of a tree, and yet John was arguably quicker with his almost lazy toss of the ball. Obviously he was much quicker when he really sent it down, but he's in his 40's now so that was an occasional effort ball.
A nice flowing action will also decrease the risk of injury as you are putting less stress on your body.
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There's an incredibly talented kid at our club who just turned 14, and he was recently clocked at 105 kph. (65 mph for you British). That was on a bad day for him, when he was coming back from a broken arm. We think, at full fitness, he hit 120 kph. Not only is he lightning quick, but he can swing the ball prodigiously, both ways, when he wants to. He has the full array of fast bowling skills. He can bounce you, he can swing the ball, he can cut the ball, he can do everything.
He's also incredibly accurate. We gave him a challenge, to hit a 20 cent piece for 6 balls straight, at full pace. We had a batsman stand up the other end to verify the pace of the ball. He hit the 20 cent piece every time. We tried it again. He hit the 20 cent piece every time. There might have been a bit of luck involved, but you don't hit a 20 cent piece 12 times straight at 65+ mph without a bit of skill.
He can bat, too. And he can keep. He's also got the cricketing smarts to go along with all that talent. We think he's going to end up in Test cricket, or get seriously close.
He says his secret is to have a good technique.
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international players dont have that skill level especially the accuracy
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When it's within 10 inches of the ball, we considered it a hit, as it's close enough to be considered hitting the target
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okay thats seems like a really talented bowler :)
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Lot more realistic at least
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The annoying thing was, that I've played with him since we were 7 years old. And he just rocked up to training, and didn't take himself too seriously. He never got any specialist coaching or anything.
I went all out, and got specialist coaching (up until recently), and played 5 days a week. I devoted myself to excellence at the game, and he was the one who ended up with all the skill.
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I'm jealous of this guy already!
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How fast do you guys think this guy will be when he's older? I'm guessing in the 140s. If you can hit 110 when you're 14, surely after growth and development, you'd gain 30 clicks?
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only time will tell but you should have a good idea of his max pace when he is around 18
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The annoying thing was, that I've played with him since we were 7 years old. And he just rocked up to training, and didn't take himself too seriously. He never got any specialist coaching or anything.
I went all out, and got specialist coaching (up until recently), and played 5 days a week. I devoted myself to excellence at the game, and he was the one who ended up with all the skill.
Use him as a training tool go to nets with hm get him to bowl to you ;)
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Use him as a training tool go to nets with hm get him to bowl to you ;)
You can't pay me enough to face him in the nets, haha.
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He will be awfully quick assuming injury doesn't kill off his career as it does with so many quicks.
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There's an incredibly talented kid at our club who just turned 14, and he was recently clocked at 105 kph. (65 mph for you British). That was on a bad day for him, when he was coming back from a broken arm. We think, at full fitness, he hit 120 kph. Not only is he lightning quick, but he can swing the ball prodigiously, both ways, when he wants to. He has the full array of fast bowling skills. He can bounce you, he can swing the ball, he can cut the ball, he can do everything.
He's also incredibly accurate. We gave him a challenge, to hit a 20 cent piece for 6 balls straight, at full pace. We had a batsman stand up the other end to verify the pace of the ball. He hit the 20 cent piece every time. We tried it again. He hit the 20 cent piece every time. There might have been a bit of luck involved, but you don't hit a 20 cent piece 12 times straight at 65+ mph without a bit of skill.
He can bat, too. And he can keep. He's also got the cricketing smarts to go along with all that talent. We think he's going to end up in Test cricket, or get seriously close.
He says his secret is to have a good technique.
Sounds unbelievably!