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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: ProCricketer1982 on January 06, 2013, 05:31:36 PM
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http://youtu.be/1vVGziD7YDE (http://youtu.be/1vVGziD7YDE)
http://youtu.be/tlAbUH9pg9E (http://youtu.be/tlAbUH9pg9E)
Ok, I said I'd put some videos up and here two of them. I'll be putting more up as they upload. Let me know your opinions please as I'm wanting to keep improving. Obviously there is the odd bad shot (that you will see I know about when I do them :( ) but I'm looking for anything that's a regular fault that I can look to iron out.
Cheers
As things are mentioned I'll put them here to remind me what to work on and also remind you guys what I'm supposed to be learning :)
1 - Bottom hand to tight
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Looks very food adi. Nice stance and solid set up. Just watch that bottom hand griping too tight which makes playing through the covers tricky but apart from that looks excellent.
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First up I'd checkbyour guard. What would you usually take?
In some deliveries you are covering all 3 with your pads.
This may be because that the bowling machine is set up for a cut so its premeditated, obviously difficult when you're on your own.
Other than that, perhaps try and stand up a bit taller but this is only a minor thing. As long asyour head is still!
Hope to see more on saturday in Yeovil!
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yeah I'd noticed that. I actually 'should' be on middle stump. To be honest, weirdly if you watch I'm constantly checking my guard virtually every ball (as I do) so it was surprising to see me so far over on the VT's. I'll be measuring it out next time though to ensure I am in fact on middle.
Hopefully without the two poor shots on saturday :).. Wasn't happy with them.
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I am no expert at all but from what I see you seem to snatch at ay certain shots rather than letting it come to you
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The start of the first video should have theme music, Some bey!
Can the remote feeder work on any bola?
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Adi. I reckon you move across your stumps as you favour the leg side and have a strong bottom hand grip (works for kp so don't worry too much) but I would set the machine up about a foot outside off stump and practice the cover / mid off drive. Do it 10,000 times and you will have is sussed ;)
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The start of the first video should have theme music, Some bey!
Can the remote feeder work on any bola?
I think so (obviously) once the automatic feeder is in place
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Your a foot planter mate
You do not follow your eyes/head/shoulder
Your foot plants and you play around your pad
Not sure of it your natural way or it because our doing the bowling machine set
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loving the casual one handed cut on the first ball at the start of the video mate haha
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The start of the first video should have theme music, Some bey!
Can the remote feeder work on any bola?
As far as I'm aware it should work on any Bola Bowling machine.
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Your a foot planter mate
You do not follow your eyes/head/shoulder
Your foot plants and you play around your pad
Not sure of it your natural way or it because our doing the bowling machine set
Solution ??
The only thing I can thing is trying to move later and so not planting it.
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loving the casual one handed cut on the first ball at the start of the video mate haha
cheers! The first ball comes out quickly so if you look most first balls are hit in some random way.
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Adi. I reckon you move across your stumps as you favour the leg side and have a strong bottom hand grip (works for kp so don't worry too much) but I would set the machine up about a foot outside off stump and practice the cover / mid off drive. Do it 10,000 times and you will have is sussed ;)
haha, yep the 10,000 times rule.. oh boy.
Leg side player huh, I think your the first one to ever say that. I've not been able to play off my legs till about this time last year. I'm much more comfy hitting off side and a very front foot player out of preference. I'll shift the machine a bit further outside off stump next time though, maybe it was a bit 'straight' given I seemed to have moved to a off-middle guard :)
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As far as I'm aware it should work on any Bola Bowling machine.
Does it just connect onto the top bit then? Thought you were gonna send a text before you had a bat haha
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It's nothing to do with your technique but I thought I'd point out, you have the pads on the wrong way round. :-[
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I would say you are a little too frenetic when waiting for the ball... you bob around a little bit. My advice would be to get as still as possible at point of delivery. I would also (in the first video), be coaching any player I work with to be standing up tall and punching some of the balls that you're facing through the covers. Some of therm look slightly too close to your body to be cutting. Also there is no weight transfer, as Dave says you plant a little bit and flay! Try to get back and across, the cut is the only shot where your weight should not be on the front foot, and should go with the shot.
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Does it just connect onto the top bit then? Thought you were gonna send a text before you had a bat haha
hahahah. Now that would be 'relaxed'! You get an arm that just slots on the legs and then it literally sits above the machine. It barring the supports and a cable to give it power that's all that touches the normal machine. I'll do a picture of the set up next time just to show how it works and sets up.
Oh god, I thought I was learning so much.. Liking the fact in a way I've got lots to work on though :(. No feet and standing and flaying.. That has to change, time to do more back foot work outs I think.
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Front foot it more noticeable is he plant on he front foot mate
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You seem very strong on the cut shot per video 1, but you seem quite bottom handed when it comes to playing straight, something i know only too well.
During my first net on saturday i had a quick lesson with a former derby player who tried to get me when playing straight to use a sort of bubble just outside the crease and make sure i only played straight drives when the ball entered this area and also to make sure i hit the ball down first as you would if you moved over the shot you want to play.
aside from that you look a very strong offside player
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keep em coming guys. My poor notepad is taking a bashing but all in a good cause. You do know that this means I'll be training pretty much daily again to iron this stuff out in the next few weeks!! :)
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could i ask where u net as i could use the practise alot as well as my lesson coach said i need to work on my leg side batting
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could i ask where u net as i could use the practise alot as well as my lesson coach said i need to work on my leg side batting
Cheltenham Leisure Centre, indoor cricket hall. Do you live close?
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derby so probably not
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derby so probably not
Yeah, not so much. Must be others here from the Derby area though?
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I am not good enough to give any constructive criticism but would love to learn to play the super casual one handed cut shot!
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I am not good enough to give any constructive criticism but would love to learn to play the super casual one handed cut shot!
pure luck ;)
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derby to cheltenham is two hours so not too bad, but i am struggling for nets round here, so maybe we'll have to arrange something
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derby to cheltenham is two hours so not too bad, but i am struggling for nets round here, so maybe we'll have to arrange something
You find your way here buddy and I'll sort the nets and some refreshments :)
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I am just the other side of the Dartford Tunnel so i may be up for joining you for a net some time mate?
In terms on your net i though you were ver low and crouched when it started but you stand up tall at point of gelivery which is good. All in all apart from the odd poor shot which as you say you seem to be aware of it all appeared to be quite good. the guard thing in doors can be hard as you can mark it. I take a plaster in with me and get someone to give me my guard then stick it to the floor as its about the width of the toe of the bat.
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Well I'm happy to net whenever. Literally name your day and time and I'll get it booked. As you can tell, I'll train/play as much as I can (so if anyone needs midweek players against touring sides in the summer give me a shout! Always open for games (sad I know :( ))
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Well I'm happy to net whenever. Literally name your day and time and I'll get it booked. As you can tell, I'll train/play as much as I can (so if anyone needs midweek players against touring sides in the summer give me a shout! Always open for games (sad I know :( ))
Not sad at all mate! There's nothing wrong with being enthusiastic, that's the only way your gonna get to the best off your ability by training/netting/playing games as much as you can!
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Another set.
http://youtu.be/pkhXt86Mpj0 (http://youtu.be/pkhXt86Mpj0)
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First of all for a minute i thought Jesse Ryder was now on the forum!! then you turned to bat right handed and I was disappointed :)....
anyways I am bowler so just have a question, why is your right leg furter out than you left when you wait for the ball? is it something on purpose? if yes whats the benefit? TY
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I thought you were simmy when you started crouching lol. What speed is the bowling machine set to? While the idea is to groove shots through repetition, I get the impression it's a comfortable speed. I'd like to see you push it 3-5mph quicker and just hurry yourself a bit. Should also open up an glaring problems with your technique or backswing, while giving you more time at your present speed.
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First of all for a minute i thought Jesse Ryder was now on the forum!! then you turned to bat right handed and I was disappointed :)....
anyways I am bowler so just have a question, why is your right leg furter out than you left when you wait for the ball? is it something on purpose? if yes whats the benefit? TY
The idea is to open up the stance. Not really convinced that it should be that 'open' as this means further to go with the front foot to get out to the pitch. My view is you should be open against left arm over where your weight when over the front foot, will therefore be towards the release point of the ball, whereas more closed to right arm over for the same reason. This stance means that weight is going towards mid on, instead of point of release (mid-off). However, its more of a comfort thing and if happy with it, not something I would change.
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Had a quick look and nothing too much wrong apart from the old right hand strangle. Looked a few balls almost frame by frame and you are in pretty decent position on the front foot up to the point of contact. However, you can't follow through properly because the bloody right hand is welded to the handle. Try only holding the bat with your thumb/first 3 fingers finger on the right hand, very little palm on the bat and that ought to help. You should play straighter with the top hand back in control and the right hand acting as support.
Like this:-
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gYqe0vhuai0/UOqw_FprzFI/AAAAAAAAHlE/aJ97NU0LvZc/s509/20130107_112604.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9PZ8UX9aoJs/UOqxF0sjX6I/AAAAAAAAHlQ/MQH98Rcwzrg/s509/20130107_112612.jpg)
Not clamped like this:-
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mJCRxf9C7NA/UOqxMRHdNMI/AAAAAAAAHlc/u4ASN_0aYOE/s509/20130107_112624.jpg)
Get away from the latter towards a more relaxed bottom hand grip and it should help.
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these pics may help a little
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Training/012454.jpg)
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Training/110863.jpg)
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Training/flare.jpg)
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/how-to-grip-the-bat.jpg)
I actually think that having a one and a half grip set up may help a little to soften the impact of the bottom hand a bit like in the below....
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Bats/utf-8BSU1BRzA0MzguanBn.jpg)
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spot on Buzz. Also taping the bottom of the handle more oval in shape (and thicker) might help. Kooks are round handle only if I remember correctly.
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Backfoot shots look ok but just need to work on the missing back foot movement. Tend to just throw the bat, however wide the ball is. Need to get across to the ball, particularly when it's wide outside off. Try and lean into the shot with your body weight to help keep the ball down. Again, less right hand should mean better contact as it looks like you are closing the face a little early. Also ramp the speed up a little, you look pretty comfortable with the pace.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eQiEHu84Ts8/UOq4Pg1PHXI/AAAAAAAAHmw/X3zvah6pTyA/w641-h386-p-k/procricketer1982%2Bcut.JPG)
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The idea is to open up the stance. Not really convinced that it should be that 'open' as this means further to go with the front foot to get out to the pitch. My view is you should be open against left arm over where your weight when over the front foot, will therefore be towards the release point of the ball, whereas more closed to right arm over for the same reason. This stance means that weight is going towards mid on, instead of point of release (mid-off). However, its more of a comfort thing and if happy with it, not something I would change.
Thanks Nick..
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Yeah need to get the back foot moving. I'd suggest taking guard further towards leg then use the back foot as the trigger movement across which should stop the front foot planting and mean better weight transfer through the shot.
Watch KP do it here (second ball) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4OTy2m-bqM
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Yeah need to get the back foot moving. I'd suggest taking guard further towards leg then use the back foot as the trigger movement across which should stop the front foot planting and mean better weight transfer through the shot.
Watch KP do it here (second ball) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4OTy2m-bqM[/url]
I think you summed it up perfectly by saying 'watch KP do it'. Not many people are KP. I think he moves around enough at the crease anyway. Agree with maybe taking a more leg side guard, but if you like it leave it. Triggers need coaching and grooving, it isn't as simple as just saying go back and across a little bit, very personal and can mess with technique hugely.
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I think you summed it up perfectly by saying 'watch KP do it'. Not many people are KP. I think he moves around enough at the crease anyway. Agree with maybe taking a more leg side guard, but if you like it leave it. Triggers need coaching and grooving, it isn't as simple as just saying go back and across a little bit, very personal and can mess with technique hugely.
It's irrelevant it's KP, I just wanted a clip showing what I meant. To me ProCricketer1982's trigger movement is a twitch of the back foot backward or towards leg and a front foot plant, however, in the video a couple of times he does get the back foot across and plays a decent shot.
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That's not a trigger then, its pre-empting where the ball will be :) But if thats the way you woul coach him then thats entirely up to you. It takes all sorts, and there'd be no flair, individuality or winning teams if we were all the same.
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since he doesn't move around much at the moment, I'd go with back foot across for cutting to drill it in for the specific shot. Make him rehearse a few times. Longer term a slight trigger might help, maybe slight back and across but I'd work on the obvious stuff first.
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That's not a trigger then, its pre-empting where the ball will be :) But if thats the way you woul coach him then thats entirely up to you. It takes all sorts, and there'd be no flair, individuality or winning teams if we were all the same.
It's very easy to pre-empt against a bowling machine but he's after opinions on regular faults and in my opinion his back foot needs to do more prior to hitting the ball which in turn should stop the front foot planting. Can't see what that's got to do with flair, individuality or winning teams though!
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since he doesn't move around much at the moment, I'd go with back foot across for cutting to drill it in for the specific shot. Make him rehearse a few times. Longer term a slight trigger might help, maybe slight back and across but I'd work on the obvious stuff first.
Exactly :)
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Exactly :)
What would you hope to achieve with it though? What happens when he wants to get on the front foot? How far across, and how far back would you want him to go? When would you want him to move? Before (how much before?) During (probably not, but timing is seriously important). And what would you do when everything is focussed on the trigger movement and he forgets how to hit the ball? Are you doing it to get into a better position just to play off the back foot, or are you doiing it to get into a better position to play any shot, because a back foot trigger to work on the cut shot with that stance and he'll be almost like Chanderpaul...... stuff getting bowled arounfd his legs, quick inswing full delivery will bowl him through his legs. Far more elementary things to work on before the thought that a trigger move might even slightly benefit him would even cross my mind!
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What would you hope to achieve with it though? What happens when he wants to get on the front foot? How far across, and how far back would you want him to go? When would you want him to move? Before (how much before?) During (probably not, but timing is seriously important). And what would you do when everything is focussed on the trigger movement and he forgets how to hit the ball? Are you doing it to get into a better position just to play off the back foot, or are you doiing it to get into a better position to play any shot, because a back foot trigger to work on the cut shot with that stance and he'll be almost like Chanderpaul...... stuff getting bowled arounfd his legs, quick inswing full delivery will bowl him through his legs. Far more elementary things to work on before the thought that a trigger move might even slightly benefit him would even cross my mind!
Exactly :)
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If you fancy a net session this week i'll come down to you for a few hours for sure as i've got not alot on and could use the practise
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What would you hope to achieve with it though? What happens when he wants to get on the front foot? How far across, and how far back would you want him to go? When would you want him to move? Before (how much before?) During (probably not, but timing is seriously important). And what would you do when everything is focussed on the trigger movement and he forgets how to hit the ball? Are you doing it to get into a better position just to play off the back foot, or are you doiing it to get into a better position to play any shot, because a back foot trigger to work on the cut shot with that stance and he'll be almost like Chanderpaul...... stuff getting bowled arounfd his legs, quick inswing full delivery will bowl him through his legs. Far more elementary things to work on before the thought that a trigger move might even slightly benefit him would even cross my mind!
Think your making a lot more of this than need be. Lets see what ProCricketer1982 makes of the advise.
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Not sure about your credentials Optical, but I'll go with Nick's....him being a coach an all.... ;)
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these pics may help a little
([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Training/012454.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Training/110863.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Training/flare.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/how-to-grip-the-bat.jpg[/url])
I actually think that having a one and a half grip set up may help a little to soften the impact of the bottom hand a bit like in the below....
([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Bats/utf-8BSU1BRzA0MzguanBn.jpg[/url])
Thanks for posting these Buzz, they were helpful :)
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no problem
as for the trigger - just don't bother, for the standard you are playing, i agree with Nick - you will overcomplicate your batting - just stand still!!
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Not sure about your credentials Optical, but I'll go with Nick's....him being a coach an all.... ;)
Yeah and his 2000 posts to my 11!
I've read back through the posts in this thread just to make sure I hadn't missed anything as when I first posted I was agreeing with Nick and his 'get back and across' advice on page 2, but now seems to be saying the opposite. [shrugs shoulders]
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As soon as you mention 'Trigger' on here you're going to get some static! It's not popular amongst the coachy types! ;) I'm just thankful it seems to be something the knowledgeable guys feel I can forget about!
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As soon as you mention 'Trigger' on here you're going to get some static! It's not popular amongst the coachy types! ;) I'm just thankful it seems to be something the knowledgeable guys feel I can forget about!
Fair enough I won't mention the T word again!
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Think your making a lot more of this than need be. Lets see what ProCricketer1982 makes of the advise.
Sorry buddy, I think I came across a bit harsh. You're bang on with the getting weight across and into the shot, I just think we may disagree on the trigger movement which is fine by me :) as I've said every player would be just as good if we all coached the same, and where's the fun in that?
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speeds at 65 for the cuts and back foot, drives were on 70. I'll do some sessions on 70/75 then and see what the videos show. See if I can get those feet moving them :)
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fairplay, I thought the speed looked slower than that. My feet are almost glued to the floor at that speed! Changing technical things might require a drop down from your present speeds, just to get it right. That said going a bit quicker might give you more to ponder technique wise.
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If I'm learning something I tend to start on 55 and just go up in small increments until I feel like I've got it nailed down (as much as I can as I'm not a pro :) ). I'll do whatever it takes to improve, if that means facing 90 mph or 55mph, I don't mind :) (well I do, 90 mph is difficult, unless its full and straight I have no idea). I usually do one set on each shot on 75 or 80 just so that when it comes to games no bowler catches me out for pace.. Although they still do first ball or two when the eye isn't in.
I'll crack on this week and next with back and across drills and re post a video on the 20th.
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Hi Mate, just had a look at the video and this is what I picked up. Hopefully this makes sense and helps a bit.
Nick and Buzz have both raised very valid points. Off the back foot you are cutting balls that are way too close and therefore you are trying to hit the ball harder get more power but this makes you open up with our shoulders on impact and now you are cutting the ball through the covers instead of square of the wicket. Standing tall and hitting these balls with a straight bag through the cove region would probably work better. You were also facing most balls with your back leg almost on off stump and Hereford denying yourself some precious room to try and cut.
Front foot, as many have mentioned you could probably loosen that bottom hand grip a bit.
Something that might not be that obvious is the fact that just before delivery your hands move away from your body. Your back elbow on your bottom hand then collapses and you actually now pick up your bat from behind you instead of straight or first slip. This means tha when the ball is straight the na now needs to go out wide and then come back down to hit the ball and hence the face closing so often. This also explains the inside out movement that sometimes occurs when hitting through the covers.
I would concentrate on keeping my hands, especially the top hand, close to my body and also really try and keep the back elbow nice and straight to get a backlift a tad straighter.
Your weight is on the back foot when the ball is delivered and you struggle o get it comin forward. In some instances it's actually easier to have the weight coming forward in you stance and then pressing back off the front foot to go back.
A whole mouthful but I hope it makes sme sense and helps a bit.
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Cheltenham Leisure Centre, indoor cricket hall. Do you live close?
Any decent takeaways around that area?
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Any decent takeaways around that area?
Bit harsh
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Any constructive criticism?
You ask for constructive criticism then come out with a comment like that?
Pathetic
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You ask for constructive criticism then come out with a comment like that?
Pathetic
Bit of friendly banter, lighten up.