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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: Buzz on January 09, 2013, 08:48:30 AM
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Morning all - have just got off the phone to Mr Stig, who is in Aus playing a little grade cricket - he kept hush about the big bash deal he signed as a replacement to Marlon Samuels - and he said he was having a few problems being caught behind on the higher bouncing Aussie wickets (WHAT NOT GETTING UNBEATEN HUNDREDS EVERY WEEK I HEAR YOU SAY? :o :o... well he is partially human). This is something that has been pointed out before (thanks Mr Bulldog).
So the question is what can a batsman do to play with softer hands and what drills to practice the new techniques are there? This is more for play against faster bowling (well there aren't any decent spinners in Aus are there ;) ;) :D)
No smart alec answers of: "do the washing up with mild green fairy liquid" or "moisturise" please.
The Stig needs your help!!
thanks
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With the extra pace and bounce of the Aussie pitches nicks will obviously carry further than over here. Think that's getting nicked off is just part of playing there.... Perhaps he'd be better to look at leaving the ball more?
Having said that practice dead batting the ball so it stops somewhere very near you will help to educate the hands a little....
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Would a lower back swing mean less power mean softer hands?
Absolute novice here though!
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Would a lower back swing mean less power mean softer hands?
Absolute novice here though!
I would think apart from softer hands, in Australian pitches, higher bat lift might help to counter the rising ball. The angle of the bat coming from the top to down on the ball might help.
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loosen your right hand on contact to avoid pushing the bat at the ball. This will deaden the contact and drop the ball downwards.
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Yeah what Northernbloke has said Could he also be playing balls he doesn't need to be playing? Leaving the balls on length could help him maybe.
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The best drill I have found for this playing dead bat with tennis balls from about 15 yards. Does. Help if the tennis balls are new as well and the cheaper ones that have less fluff on them seem to bounce a bit more.
Leaving the ball is a bit hard in T20 so trying to play the upper cut over slips gully etc would be a good bet on the bouncy tracks of Aus I would have thought.
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I am more a bowler than a batsman but last saturday was my best ever net. I walked in with my new RPC and was worried about damaging the bat so basically did not push at anything, instead let the ball come and hit a bat...
very little back-lift and almost no follow through, every time bat stopped exactly where the ball made impact...there were no edges it was perfect...
So bat like you are batting with the best bat you have and its brand new, so you are just playing it in...not sure stig would know that feeling though, all his bats are the best he's had :o
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Is it the first time he's been to Aus?
Some thoughts:
On the back foot make sure sure the hands and arms are kept into the hip nice and tight, but relax the elbows - rock the baby, as my old coach would say to me!
Not sure how tall he is bit of he's having issues riding the bounce, dont stay too side on, squareing up let's the hands get higher.
On the front dog, make sure he's getting well forward, more forward then on slower pitches, play the ball higher off the front foot, maybe slightly earlier too...
Where is he Perth?
One other thought, might be the bottom hand taking control, if he pulling and cutting a lot? Squash ball trick?
Few games of one hand one boucue might help!
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Rock the baby? did we have the same coach?!! thanks Ross, I will pass this on and all the other comments, thanks guys.
Any more thoughts?
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Softer hands pshhh. In Aus, get right forward or get right back, that's about it, leave plenty of balls early in the innings.
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Buzz - who is the Stig?! I still don't know...
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Opening up an older topic here. I netted the other week as guy there told me I go at the ball with hard hands. I'm starting to think I'm over complicating things in my head thinking about it but any help would be great
Cheers
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Hi Reds he means play with a looser grip in particular your bottom hand as this will absorb the impact Of the ball what he is stating is that by having hard hands you are more likely to get caught by close fielders with softer hands the ball wont come off the blade with as much velocity this will also allow you to steer the ball across the ground and into the gaps
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Softer hands pshhh. In Aus, get right forward or get right back, that's about it, leave plenty of balls early in the innings.
And snick off to some medium pace away swing.
The tennis ball drill works well. Especially if you put tennis balls into the bowling machine.
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Hi Reds he means play with a looser grip in particular your bottom hand as this will absorb the impact Of the ball what he is stating is that by having hard hands you are more likely to get caught by close fielders with softer hands the ball wont come off the blade with as much velocity this will also allow you to steer the ball across the ground and into the gaps
I've been thinking about this subject recently and one of the conclusions I've come to, I may well be incorrect, is this.
I'm predominantly left handed, though I'm proficient at certain things with my right hand, I wouldn't say I'm ambidextrous, but I bat right handed and play golf also right handed, because of this my stronger left hand, the hand I've been told to grip the bat hard with, naturally helps me get over and keep the ball down and I'm barely gripping with my right hand, two fingers and the thumb, a big advantage I would've thought compared to a right handed person batting right handed who is understandably going to grip harder than they would like with their bottom hand leading to the toe overtaking on impact or playing more cross batted shots.
Unfortunately the opposite applies to my golf swing where my left hand wants to do all the work leading to me breaking my wrists too early and getting the club head in a poor position which needs to be corrected at some point in the swing before impact.
In my experience playing golf, if you have one flaw in you're back swing it needs to be corrected somewhere in the downswing to make a decent strike, two wrongs making a right, there are plenty of examples of this in professional golf, Jim Furyk, Bubba Watson etc etc the list goes on, in fact there are few technically correct golf swings even at the elite level.
Drifted off my point a bit towards the end but I hope this makes sense.
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I've been thinking about this subject recently and one of the conclusions I've come to, I may well be incorrect, is this.
I'm predominantly left handed, though I'm proficient at certain things with my right hand, I wouldn't say I'm ambidextrous, but I bat right handed and play golf also right handed, because of this my stronger left hand, the hand I've been told to grip the bat hard with, naturally helps me get over and keep the ball down and I'm barely gripping with my right hand, two fingers and the thumb, a big advantage I would've thought compared to a right handed person batting right handed who is understandably going to grip harder than they would like with their bottom hand leading to the toe overtaking on impact or playing more cross batted shots.
Unfortunately the opposite applies to my golf swing where my left hand wants to do all the work leading to me breaking my wrists too early and getting the club head in a poor position which needs to be corrected at some point in the swing before impact.
In my experience playing golf, if you have one flaw in you're back swing it needs to be corrected somewhere in the downswing to make a decent strike, two wrongs making a right, there are plenty of examples of this in professional golf, Jim Furyk, Bubba Watson etc etc the list goes on, in fact there are few technically correct golf swings even at the elite level.
Drifted off my point a bit towards the end but I hope this makes sense.
Batting left handed your bottom hand will be your left hand this is the hand where you need to relax your grip and not grip the handle to hard just thumb and finger if you can control the bat with your top hand with your hand vees in line.
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Sorry Senior, my post was a tad clumsy, I write left handed, was stronger with my left foot when playing football but I bat right handed.
I guess I'm lucky I wasn't born a few hundred years ago, I may have been burnt at the stake.
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Sorry Senior, my post was a tad clumsy, I write left handed, was stronger with my left foot when playing football but I bat right handed.
I guess I'm lucky I wasn't born a few hundred years ago, I may have been burnt at the stake.
Reading your post again i would probably have been burnt as well
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Reading your post again i would probably have been burnt as well
Do you have a similar problem with dexterity?.
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Write right handed bat left handed.
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Write write handed bat left handed.
I see, same problem, do you find that you don't loft the ball as much as a conventional left handed batsman?.
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Yes very rarely hit the ball in the air tend to keep head down until through the shot
unless hooking or pulling also avoid using bowed bats
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Yes very rarely hit the ball in the air tend to keep head down until through the shot
unless hooking or pulling also avoid using bowed bats
Do you find that because you are stronger with you're right hand you are more likely to have a more relaxed bottom hand?.
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Do you find that because you are stronger with you're right hand you are more likely to have a more relaxed bottom hand?.
not really tend to tighten or relax my grip depending on what shot i intend to play for ex sample if I want to drop the ball by my feet with an angled bat hardly any bottom hand grip at all.
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I'm left handed, right footed and bat right handed. I'm still quite bottom handed even though my top hand should be dominant
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I'm left handed, right footed and bat right handed. I'm still quite bottom handed even though my top hand should be dominant
Burn him!!!.
Just blew my theory out of the water.
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Favourite shot is lofted back down the ground, I may be an exception to the rule
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Favourite shot is lofted back down the ground, I may be an exception to the rule
You may be close to having true ambidexterity if there is such a thing.
I am yet to knowingly meet anyone who is truly as competent with either hand, maybe we have someone on here that is?.
I guess it's a subjective point and hard to measure.
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Apologies @Buzz for hijacking this thread and straying off topic.
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Opening up an older topic here. I netted the other week as guy there told me I go at the ball with hard hands. I'm starting to think I'm over complicating things in my head thinking about it but any help would be great
Cheers
Ignore him reds. I have watched you enough to know you don't play with hard hands. When you play a forward defensive you often drop it at your toes and don't push at the ball. You were probably in net smacking mode when he saw you lol
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not sure if this is relevant/will solve the issue, but would trying to play later help- let the ball come to him and hit the ball between cover point and 3rd man - the idea of riding with the pace and bounce?
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Or just do what I do and don't play defensive shots - SEE BALL HIT BALL!!!
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