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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: Hammer Cricket on January 25, 2013, 02:48:23 AM
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what do you think of my new trigger...back foot back and across rather than planting my front foot..
Hammer learns how to play cricket off the back foot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLFsd3KO9c#ws)
p.s. there is some advertising in it as its from my youtube channel, so please dont be offended..( hopefully havent broken any forum rules ) 8)
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Forgetting about the trigger movement for now, one thing I noticed is that you're not watching the ball onto the bat - it seems that you're only watching it about half way.
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Playing away from your body a hell of a lot in the beginning. In the first lot of footage, rarely are your bat and pad together, meaning you are overbalancing a fair bit and leaving a large gap between bat and pad. Your foot only ever plants pretty much down the track on middle. Even on a couple of straight balls, your front foot went outside leg and there was a gap as you played it to the leg side. Work to play these much straighter as an extension to the forward defensive.
Much better from 5 minutes on when you started playing forward defensives and with bat and pad together.
Another thing you might try is to get a real good stride onto that front foot. It seemed a lot of the time you were in no man's land - stuck on the crease, not forward or back.
To be quite honest, I don't like your movement just before the ball is bowled of the back foot moving across, but that might just be what you are comfortable with. It means it's difficult to get back on the back foot to play a shorter ball (cut or pull) as there are too many movements, it squares you up a lot and leg stump bowling and short bowling just looks plain awkward.
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Doesn't look like much of a trigger to me. In some of the shots, your foot goes the other way and your head counterbalances. Absolutely no point in a trigger movement as far as I'm concerned, too many moving parts to go wrong. Stay still at release, get still at impact, watch the ball onto the bat!
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Footwork is all over the place to be honest... Very jumpy on the shortish stuff and playing a long way from your body.
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Keep practicing Jason. Trigger is essential in my book and hence why 99% professional players do it. If you are going to be facing any decent amount of pace like I said its essential.
You wouldn't stand still receiving a tennis serve. You don't stand still when fielding etc etc etc
Just keep practicing it mate.
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Keep practicing Jason. Trigger is essential in my book and hence why 99% professional players do it. If you are going to be facing any decent amount of pace like I said its essential.
You wouldn't stand still receiving a tennis serve. You don't stand still when fielding etc etc etc
Just keep practicing it mate.
Agree, essential when facing pace, and essential that its grooved correctly! Practice, practice, practice!
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First 5 minutes you do plant your front foot down the wicket and then push the bat at the line of the ball. Sometimes cramping you down leg and sometimes forcing you to chase outside off. All your eggs are in one basket as you've already noticed. Your head was also falling over.
Second 5 minutes is better, you look slightly better balanced. However, you were making multiple trigger movements. Most occasions your back foot goes across and was followed by your front foot. You end up shuffling across rather than making a positive second movement towards the ball. Back foot across is fine but the second movement has to be the major shot making movement. I would try to make 1 movement very early and keep your front foot still until you see the line of the ball. By the end of the session it appeared you were doing this much better. The head position was miles better as well.
Might want to turn the speed down if this was the dodgy bowling machine!
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I cant see any trigger, you seem to be lifting your foot up on to the ball of your foot rather than back and across as mentioned. Simmy had the same issue when moving to his trigger movement. It will come with practice but maybe try making the movement bigger than normal just to get the feet moving?
also have to agree with Matt about the ball watching, or lack off.
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A bit of extra bounce in that lane ??
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I cant see any trigger, you seem to be lifting your foot up on to the ball of your foot rather than back and across as mentioned. Simmy had the same issue when moving to his trigger movement. It will come with practice but maybe try making the movement bigger than normal just to get the feet moving?
also have to agree with Matt about the ball watching, or lack off.
yeah it looks like u had a simliar issue to me jason..
i use to lift my back leg and go back and away ever so slightly then lunge forward..
ive gone for a more back and across trigger now but its still in early stages and i do not feel comfortable with it yet.
i have tried no trigger at all just standing still but i find it hard to get moving then.
like anything practice practice practice
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Whilst I take on all members comments , one cannot keep their eyes level and focused on the ball or bowlers approach if moving around the crease.
Eyes should be level , focused and feet positioned.
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I thought a back foot movement back and across was generally considered a no no as it causes problems playing outside off and limits your scoring areas on leg? I've just spent a year getting rid of this movement that had crept into my batting!
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I thought a back foot movement back and across was generally considered a no no as it causes problems playing outside off and limits your scoring areas on leg? I've just spent a year getting rid of this movement that had crept into my batting!
when most pro's do it i cant see how ..
going back and across(towards offstump) is fine.. but opens up lbw i think but its easier to play the ball out side offstump as u are across in line with it
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Keep practicing Jason. Trigger is essential in my book and hence why 99% professional players do it. If you are going to be facing any decent amount of pace like I said its essential.
You wouldn't stand still receiving a tennis serve. You don't stand still when fielding etc etc etc
Just keep practicing it mate.
To be honest, I'd have him getting his general foot movement, stance, shot selection and leaves all rectified before adding in the trigger movement. Not sold on trigger movements, but if he wants to have one, get the rest of it right firs.
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To be honest, I'd have him getting his general foot movement, stance, shot selection and leaves all rectified before adding in the trigger movement. Not sold on trigger movements, but if he wants to have one, get the rest of it right firs.
not to much to work on then lol
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Absolutely no point in a trigger movement as far as I'm concerned, too many moving parts to go wrong. Stay still at release, get still at impact, watch the ball onto the bat!
Agree, essential when facing pace, and essential that its grooved correctly! Practice, practice, practice!
Which one Nick ;)
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not to much to work on then lol
cricket is a bloody tough sport :(
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With the exception of one or two, how many offering advice on how to use a trigger movement or whether one is necessary have regularly faced bowling of a level were it becomes advantageous over other mechanisms for improving your technique?
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With the exception of one or two, how many offering advice on how to use a trigger movement or whether one is necessary have regularly faced bowling of a level were it becomes advantageous over other mechanisms for improving your technique?
me - my technique is perfect, just a shame my reactions, eyesite and fitness are shot to pieces :D
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With the exception of one or two, how many offering advice on how to use a trigger movement or whether one is necessary have regularly faced bowling of a level were it becomes advantageous over other mechanisms for improving your technique?
To be brutally honest, OP doesn't look to be of the age and talent to need to worry about high level bowling. I could be wrong though :)
Get the basics right, then worry about that other stuff.
Sure, trigger movements might be great for Tendulkar, Hughes etc. etc. in international cricket, but not all advice should be modelled after them.
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Keep practicing Jason. Trigger is essential in my book and hence why 99% professional players do it. If you are going to be facing any decent amount of pace like I said its essential.
You wouldn't stand still receiving a tennis serve. You don't stand still when fielding etc etc etc
Just keep practicing it mate.
I agree with Aussie Jake - just stand still and get your balance, foot movement and head position sorted first.
99% of club players are better off standing still.
Jonty Rhodes and Paul Collingwood both say that when fielding you need to be still with your weight evenly balanced ready to spring forward. you only walk in to get your weight moving forward...
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I have seen Jason bat in the past but the more videos he makes he looks less like a batsman but more of a showman.
Do not get me wrong Jason , you can bat but I think you maybe over stepping your own mark.
Food for thought.
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One of, if not the best technical batsmen that has ever played the game doesn't have a trigger. He remains still and balanced, I thought the point of a trigger was to get you still and balanced before the bowler bowled not to be doing it whilst playing the shot.
http://youtu.be/06tcGJCnrtU (http://youtu.be/06tcGJCnrtU)
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Which one Nick ;)
I agree that they are necessary when facing express pace, but in a low level club environment where the rest of the technique is not tight, they cause more hassle than they're worth. If it takes 10,000 hours to be truly an expert at something, I reckon it would take at least 2,000 of those hours grooving your timing of the trigger movement. Something us mere mortals just do not have. If they're wrong then they cause balance, timing, confidence issues that just aren't therre if you stand still and straight. But if you think it helps then good on you, just think there are bigger parts of your game that will see you gain bigger rewards before messing around with a triggger!
Just my opinion, I'd never coach any-one out of one if it works but I would never ever ever coach one into a player!
I would also argue that trigger movements were the reason that Hughes was dropped from the Aussie team, and the reason that Cook becqame a walking wicket before Goochy got hold of him!
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I agree with Aussie Jake - just stand still and get your balance, foot movement and head position sorted first.
99% of club players are better off standing still.
Jonty Rhodes and Paul Collingwood both say that when fielding you need to be still with your weight evenly balanced ready to spring forward. you only walk in to get your weight moving forward...
They call it the set position I think. Same principle as a trigger.
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Cook still has a trigger.
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They call it the set position I think. Same principle as a trigger.
So you can have a set position when batting - as a club player you just stand in it first. much less can go wrong.
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here is me and ryan both trying to bat with no trigger
ryan..
Ryan Netting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNonF8IlvGo#ws)
me im still going back and away on some shots..
Simmy Netting 2012 OSCC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaJCfSlYUPE#ws)
tried to change again for this coming season will get videos up of that 2night
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Yes , trigger, press, set. Same principles.
Depends what level you play I guess. Maybe playing low grade fair enough. My daughter just being coaches the back and across trigger on the EPP.
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Small trigger movement indeed, but there wasn't a huge amount of footwork after it either.
I think the perfect position is to be absolutely still..... I use a trigger movement when I notice I'm moving around early against pace, just open my stance right up and bring my front leg back to nearly square as the bowler is releasing, makes sure I'm dead still as the ball approaches and havn't committed early.
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Yes , trigger, press, set. Same principles.
Depends what level you play I guess. Maybe playing low grade fair enough. My daughter just being coaches the back and across trigger on the EPP.
That's fair enough mate, because she's pushing the elite boundary, and being coached by highly qualified coaches who know what they are doing. I completely agree that they have some benefit, and facing some-one like Dale Steyn at full tilt would be pretty difficult without some sort of pre-empting. I think triggers are a contentious issue. Who is she being coached by just out of interest?
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Wow, thanks for all the feedback guys... Many people have awesome points and will read over it again before my net session ..
Once I got the hang of the back foot moving first I did feel I was more stable on the back foot and I also noticed I didn't go walkies as much after the shot. As you saw with my initial movement I sucked on the back foot but with my back foot movement I was actually connecting some of them..
I plan on opening the batting in our DPL this year so have a lot of work to do before June... There will be bowlers there pushing 80mph+ probably.. So am aware I have a lot to work on
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Bulldog,
Why do you recommend a trigger? What are its benefit in your opinion (when facing pace)?
Intrigued to hear..
Cheers
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Moves you into the "ready position".
I can't think of any other sport where you would stay completely still prior to striking a ball, receiving a ball etc.
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Bulldog,
Why do you recommend a trigger? What are its benefit in your opinion (when facing pace)?
Intrigued to hear..
Cheers
my opinion
1. gets ur feet moving so ur not planted but gets u in the set postion
2. getting ur eye's over the top of off stump
3. if the ball is coming 80mph and u are reaching for it out side of offstump ur likely to edge it as u are not in line.
but if you watch kp his trigger is a forward press its what ever works for u
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Moves you into the "ready position".
I can't think of any other sport where you would stay completely still prior to striking a ball, receiving a ball etc.
i just think like if i am wicket keeping.. and i just stood there and didnt crouch down etc or bend over when i was stood back how hard would it be?
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Yes simmy you are right. All those things are what i would call the ready position.
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Exactly. You watch international wkt keepers now and then set themselves like a goalkeeper. I remember Rob Turner even walking in a pace or 2 and then getting set.
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as a goal keeper and a wicket keeper sure i have it nailed just my batting that i cant get right lol
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Yes simmy you are right. All those things are what i would call the ready position.
funny enough I was talking to Buzz on a similar topic earlier. I felt I could tweak my stance to become a bit more upright with the bat aloft. Not only would it help with the bad back but it was a position I often adopted when facing a bowling machine anyway. Main difference here was I wasn't intending to move my feet at the same time. At best a slight lean forwards to get on the toes.
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funny enough I was talking to Buzz on a similar topic earlier. I felt I could tweak my stance to become a bit more upright with the bat aloft. Not only would it help with the bad back but it was a position I often adopted when facing a bowling machine anyway. Main difference here was I wasn't intending to move my feet at the same time. At best a slight lean forwards to get on the toes.
i get a bad back as well nick so im obv doing something wrong :)
i i need to stand up straighter and make my back lift straigher i think
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What I try and do (and I appear to be more successful when I do this) is stand ready, and upright, on the balls of my feet with my bat lifted, looking at the ball in the bowlers hand. I'm not trying to move or trigger, however, the intention of doing this is to be light on my feet and ready to move.
I guess this falls into the "Set" category.
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Jason have you got thigh pads on?! Doesn't like like it.
And to me it looks like on the short balls, your scared of getting hit which is understandable. Get some thigh pads on get inline and play some shots, if you get pinned a couple of times then so be it. I never used to be able to play the short ball, and I just went on the bowling machine wore a few but it's helped me get inline a lot better
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What I try and do (and I appear to be more successful when I do this) is stand ready, and upright, on the balls of my feet with my bat lifted, looking at the ball in the bowlers hand. I'm not trying to move or trigger, however, the intention of doing this is to be light on my feet and ready to move.
I guess this falls into the "Set" category.
I'm exactly the same, not complicated in the slightest. This works perfectly for me.
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Slow the speed down and get the foot movement nailed down. No point training something new at 'proper' speeds.
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is Dravid being fed tennis balls in that video, and notice all the kids fetching the balls, love it