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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: The_Bird on February 02, 2013, 10:35:36 AM
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So after restricting SA to 253 in the first innings Pakistan are 40/7 at lunch....
Devastating seam bowling from the Proteas..!!
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devasting bowling...
quick question, what is the lowest first innings score which has forced a follow on? 253 will have to be close.
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Great bowling performance by the Proteas. They have really set up the match now. Even if Pakistan avoid the follow-on, SA can really bat them out of the game in the second innings.
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SA look like they not enforcing the follow-on. Still looks like there is assistance in the pitch for the seamers.
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I did think before the Test that Pakistan will give them a game but its clear that I know nothing.
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The record breaking Dale Steyn equals the masterful Allan Donald's South African Test record of 20 x 5 wicket hauls.
Donald achieved the record in 72 Tests
Steyn has equaled the record in 63 Tests.
Frighteningly great.
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ABDV also takes 6 catches in the innings! Not bad for a part time keeper !!!
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The record breaking Dale Steyn equals the masterful Allan Donald's South African Test record of 20 x 5 wicket hauls.
Dale Steyn is without a doubt the best bowler going around.
He was simply unplayable throughout this morning!
What do y'all think about the follow on not being enforced?
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Pakistan could have a better crack 2nd innings and the pitch could crumble effectively bringing Ajmal into the game. Batting takes Ajmal out of the game pretty much.
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Dale Steyn is without a doubt the best bowler going around.
He was simply unplayable throughout this morning!
What do y'all think about the follow on not being enforced?
Think Philander is carrying an injury, so we batted again
Philander has been pretty brittle in recent times.
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Think its a good call for us to bat again. Gives the batsmen the chance to get some runs under there belt and also gives the bowlers some rest time which is always a good thing.
Good times these... :D
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the pitch could crumble
Tru that. Faf said a couple of times in the press conference - batting 4th is going to be real tough on this pitch
Maybe a bit of mental disintegerationas well? Being the 1st test,being day2 only and all....
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Dale Steyn is without a doubt the best bowler going around.
He was simply unplayable throughout this morning!
What do y'all think about the follow on not being enforced?
The cynic in me says it was done for commercial reasons. The game might have been over very quickly if the follow on had been enforced
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Unfortunately, scores like this make you wonder who is making a lot of money, which i know is wrong... :(
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Well both teams have had dodgy pasts, some more recent than others.
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South Africa very rarely go for the jugular, they will always put themselves in a position where they can't lose before they think about going for the win. Those tactics have got them to No.1 so can't criticise them
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It was sterling bowling display from Saffers. Pakistan being dismissed for 49 did not surprise me a bit as it was expected to be honest.
I'm looking forward in seeing how resilient Pakistan batting line-up is. I would like to see Nasir Jamshed, Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq play all three test matches so they can gain maximum of experience from these conditions and bowling attack, that will make them nothing but a better batsman.
Perhaps absurd but safe to place every penny on Saffers as they will win comprehensively.
The only positive for Pakistan from this game this far has been Junaid Khan who bowled magnificently in first innings albeit I thought he deserved few more wickets.
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Would anyone have enforced the follow on, only way they'd lose was chasing sub 150 in the 4th innings, that avoids that, gives the Philander a chance to recover and let's the. Grind Pakistan into the dirt with 2 tests still to come. Easy decision IMO.
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Dale Steyn's record breaking spree continues!
He takes his 5th 10 wicket match haul, going past the great Makhaya Ntini.
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Dale Steyn takes his 21st Test 5 wicket haul.
Ends the match with 11-60. Career best haul.
He's fast closing in on Allan Donald's 330 Test wickets. Only Ntini and Pollock after that.
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An outstanding bowler and treat to watch his devastating bowling! Its delight to watch him rip through any world bowling attack considering when fast bowlers are scarce.
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Class act.
He was varying his speed each spell as well. Bowling 130s for extra swing and then later going around the wicket and a consistent 140s into the body.
His face is downright scary when he gets a wicket and gets pumped. >:(
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Steyn is one of my favourites. Although I would love to see more swing :)
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His face is downright scary when he gets a wicket and gets pumped. >:(
Yes, but with all due respect he deserves it. Every fast bowler who bowls at express pace has heaps of rage within themselves. For him in field its a battle, and off field he is one of the calmest bloke you'll ever see.
Fantastic player!
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Yes, but with all due respect he deserves it. Every fast bowler who bowls at express pace has heaps of rage within themselves. For him in field its a battle, and off field he is one of the calmest bloke you'll ever see.
Fantastic player!
Didnt mean it in the wrong sense. ;-) In fact its half the fun!
Morkel is too calm at times.
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South Africa just seem to have a never ending pool of bowlers!
Philander has started his Test career with some stats that compare with some of the all time greats and then this Abbott character chips in with 7 fer on debut! Kleinveldts not too shabby either! And De Lange is still around
Huge depth and undisputedly the best Test side at the moment. If they uncover a proper spinner from somewhere I think they will be pretty much unbeatable on all surfaces.
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South Africa just seem to have a never ending pool of bowlers!
Philander has started his Test career with some stats that compare with some of the all time greats and then this Abbott character chips in with 7 fer on debut! Kleinveldts not too shabby either! And De Lange is still around
Huge depth and undisputedly the best Test side at the moment. If they uncover a proper spinner from somewhere I think they will be pretty much unbeatable on all surfaces.
Whilst we have unearthed a few quality back up bowlers, the likes of Abbott and Klienveldt aren't in the same class as Steyn Philander Morkel and de Lange.
Abbott and Klienveldt are hard working bowlers, but don't have that X factor.
Now that de Lange is close to full fitness it will be nice to see him bowl in tandem with Morkel in the ODIs
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Finally some joy for Pakistan as Mohammad Hafeez 86,3/25 and Umar Gul destory 5/6 destroy South Africa in 2nd T20.
Would have been nice to see Hafeez bat that good in the tests.
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Finally some joy for Pakistan as Mohammad Hafeez 86,3/25 and Umar Gul destory 5/6 destroy South Africa in 2nd T20.
Would have been nice to see Hafeez bat that good in the tests.
Hafeez was class today!!
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After scoring a total of 43 runs in the test matches, it was brilliant to see Hafeez bat so well today.
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Philander has started his Test career with some stats that compare with some of the all time greats and then this Abbott character chips in with 7 fer on debut! Kleinveldts not too shabby either! And De Lange is still around
to be fair to Abbott, the Pakistani shots were so gutless/ridiculous that I wondered for a second who had money on their prompt dismissal... ;)
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to be fair to Abbott, the Pakistani shots were so gutless/ridiculous that I wondered for a second who had money on their prompt dismissal... ;)
trouble is that's not beyond being potentially true :)
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It was a dead rubber on a green top against an already defeated opponent in foreign conditions. The perfect time to make a debut!!
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I dont understand...they should played in the test like they played in the T20;s
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Thought my tv was playing up when I switched on to this!!
Another ton in the offing for Amla!
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Amla and de Villiers going brilliantly. Pakistan made a good enough start, but great partnership by the two.
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I like the pink kit!
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I like the pink kit!
My mrs likes it too!
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Im not keen on it! Wouldnt be caught wearing it!
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Hafeez's wicket today....
Mohammad Hafeez Run Out Obstructing The Field - Pakistan vs South Africa 4th ODI 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSSZkqUCs74#ws)
In my mind this is out no question. It's the rule which could be brought into contention, but he starts his run off the wicket, and ends up by the stumps....
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I have absolutely no idea what the fuss is about and why Pakistani fans are being emotional.
That is clearly out in spite of game, man deliberately changed his line and got closer to the stumps because he knew ball will travel that path.
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The glance over his shoulder says it all, that's out.
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Out all day long.
Is this rule in all cricket now? as it could make a few saturday games interesting.
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Been for sometime mate, vividly remember Inzamam Ul Haq being dismissed off Suresh Raina's throw.
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Our keeper as given out for this very reason last year. Caused a few debates as we didnt have umpires, all fun and games.
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After watching this several times, there are 2 questions I would ask.....
1. Would he have been out if he had of kept his running line?
2. Did he alter his running line in order to block the ball?
1. Yes
2. Yes
He would have been a couple of meters short if the ball had of gone through as thown...assuming it would have been caught by Amla.
And he did alter his line by quite a bit. Whether he did it on purpose, or whether it was due to him running off balance due to looking over his shoulder, we'll never know for sure! But he did alter his line and that change in running meant that he blocked that ball and wasn't run out! Therefore in my book, that really has to be given out.
I think that blame should lie with whoever called for the second run!! It was too tight and he was left stranded!
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I think it should be not out. The keeper just throws the ball straight at the batsman, he could easily have stepped accross and thrown the stumps down.
This is just AB being crafty... and who can blame him, he has been give out like this previously. Anyway justice was done as Pakistan won the game.
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I think it should be not out. The keeper just throws the ball straight at the batsman, he could easily have stepped accross and thrown the stumps down.
This is just AB being crafty... and who can blame him, he has been give out like this previously. Anyway justice was done as Pakistan won the game.
Surely to step around the stumps could be the time difference between in and out? Every fraction of a second counts.
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it is more that in my view AB just throws the ball at the batsman and appeals.
Now I am not being holier than thou - I would have done the same thing as both the batsman and the keeper in this case. I just don't think the batsman should have been given out. I think that the keeper wouldn't have had to step around the stumps, just half a pace and throw. The batter would have been miles out.
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it is more that in my view AB just throws the ball at the batsman and appeals.
Now I am not being holier than thou - I would have done the same thing as both the batsman and the keeper in this case. I just don't think the batsman should have been given out. I think that the keeper wouldn't have had to step around the stumps, just half a pace and throw. The batter would have been miles out.
100% agree, AB de Villiers defiantly being crafty as the commentators said he was run out like this in a domestic game.
Inzamam's dismissal for obstructing the field was different from Hafeez, Inzi blocked the ball with his bat when Raina threw the ball at the wicket.
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100% agree, AB de Villiers defiantly being crafty as the commentators said he was run out like this in a domestic game.
Inzamam's dismissal for obstructing the field was different from Hafeez, Inzi blocked the ball with his bat when Raina threw the ball at the wicket.
First week the law was changed and he was out.
So is the general consensus that this was a 1 off from DV, or will it be the latest political aspect in game play?
DRS being a recent one
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Personally think it's a shocking rule, so many reasons why you would change your line that you are running:
1) When you turn and look behind you (as Hafeez did), due to the fact you're looking the other way you are almost inevitably going to change your line.
2) Getting off the protected area.
3) Finding the most direct line to the other end.
4) Cause you've got no coordination when it comes to running in pads (guilty!)
5) You get the point.
How do you objectively measure it? Different with LBWs and referrals because you still have to be hitting the 3 stumps... I just think it's a poor law, and don't think it is enforceable without having massively controversial decisions like today. I understand that cricket is changing and adapting, evolving, yet I think this is a step backwards.
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I think it should be not out. The keeper just throws the ball straight at the batsman, he could easily have stepped accross and thrown the stumps down.
This is just AB being crafty... and who can blame him, he has been give out like this previously. Anyway justice was done as Pakistan won the game.
I cant see AB doing that, not in that instance, all he would be thinking is throwing it to Amla at non-strikers end
Why risk him not being given out if the umpires felt Hafeez did nothing wrong
Didnt Hafeez turn around and look at AB? and therefore alter his path, he doesnt run in a straight line, which we all know is the quickest way to get to the other end
I dont think it is that controversial, it looks like he's purposely stopped the ball from reaching the other end
Would it be acceptable for a fielder to interfere with his running? No
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1) When you turn and look behind you (as Hafeez did), due to the fact you're looking the other way you are almost inevitably going to change your line.
Once you've set off, surely you get your head down and sprint, if unsure dive. Why look behind and slow yourself down?
2) Getting off the protected area.
Unless you've been warned, risk it. The throw must be coming from an acute angle
If you're hit whilst running away from the protected area.
3) Finding the most direct line to the other end.
This is straight forward. Literally.
4) Cause you've got no coordination when it comes to running in pads (guilty!)
That's bad luck, maybe do some sprints in pads whilst training.
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great partnership between Misbah and Imran, they were in huge trouble at 33/3 just a shame neither scored a ton.
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q652/luke_blinman/155751_zps1cb640f3.jpg)
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Has ab forgotten what's on the end of his arms?
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the Inzamam dismissal was actually that took place before Inzamam was all confused by the law and that was not entirely his mistake. He was over a hundred in Faisalabad when Steve Harmison threw the ball at the stump while Inzamam was in the crease. taking evasive action, Inzamam jumped and was given out run out even though the law says otherwise. the umpires at that occasion were Simon Taufel and Darrell Hair (oh boy).
the next time he saw the ball coming his way, he thought what the heck, just save your body only to be given out by Taufel again. its a glitch in the rule since there was no chance of a run out and common sense should have prevailed. the new rule is not a good one as it will lead too a lot of confusion.