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Equipment => Bats => Bat Making => Topic started by: Sam on February 04, 2013, 02:38:25 PM
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Hey guys , as I'm starting my second bat soon , and am getting quite into it , I don't want to get too far ahead of myself but was wondering what sort of tools I would require to splice and handle a cleft :). Not planning on doing it just yet but I'm curious. Would you use a table saw (or band saw or jig saw?)? And how would you go about making sure you cut it at the correct angle? Thanks :D.
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A band saw would be ideal, but you could probably get away with a jig saw if you are careful
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band saw and a jig :)
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Any suggestions as to the technique used? :)
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band saw and a jig :)
riverdance or lord of the dance?
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Also , I assume with a bandsaw you'd cut with the flat face of the bat facing up for a more accurate cut , but how would you keep the face level without a flat surface against the table (the spine would be).
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Not sure, although it's on the list of questions the next time I visit H4L to go cleft shopping
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Also , I assume with a bandsaw you'd cut with the flat face of the bat facing up for a more accurate cut , but how would you keep the face level without a flat surface against the table (the spine would be).
flat face down!
how else would u keep it flat? u can push down on the spine onto a flat curface? lol
loads of vids on youtube of bat makers doing this
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Not sure, although it's on the list of questions the next time I visit H4L to go cleft shopping
Remember to share it with us ;).
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flat face down!
how else would u keep it flat? u can push down on the spine onto a flat curface? lol
loads of vids on youtube of bat makers doing this
Do you just do the size/positioning on judgement then?
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Do you just do the size/positioning on judgement then?
no you make a jig...
you place the cleft in a jig and push it into the bandsaw
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Hey guys , as I'm starting my second bat soon , and am getting quite into it , I don't want to get too far ahead of myself but was wondering what sort of tools I would require to splice and handle a cleft :). Not planning on doing it just yet but I'm curious. Would you use a table saw (or band saw or jig saw?)? And how would you go about making sure you cut it at the correct angle? Thanks :D.
There's a good video of nixon cricket on YouTube that shows the jig set up he uses.
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Nixon uses a table saw and so do most of the established bad makers. The trouble is that the table saws are very big and expensive to buy. That's why most people use a bandsaw. Does the job just as well.
You need to find out what angle you like to cut at then make a jig around that. Getting it centred etc takes a little bit of time to get right but worth it. It took me ages to work out the correct angles and resulted in a few ruined handles (handle jig being harder to make than the splice jig).
The thing is there isn't a standard length/ width/ angle to make the cut at so therefore it differs from person to person.
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Any suggestions as to a decent/large enough band saw for a cleft (sorry , a bit inexperienced with woodwork machinery :-[). And Mayne some tips on setting up a jig if any of you have much experience :).
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I've got a Elektra Beckum BAS 450WN which does the trick, shes' s an old workhorse and ideal. Just look for the motor output, go for the biggest machine you can afford, it'll be worth it. then make sure you have the correct blade for the job.
Best thing to do is measure the splice on one of your bats then work out the angles etc from that. Easier said than done. I'd tell you how mines set up but where's the fun in that? :D
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Nixon Here, if my memory serves me correctly most splices are about 6 degrees. I agree with the electra beckum saws they are good quality, but you will need at least a 20mm width blade,if that helps.
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A bandsaw will do the job but does tend to wander the thinner the blade . A saw blade is better but it has to 500mm plus and the cut needs to on the centre of the blade if that makes sense a standard saw bench won't do it unless coming from above
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Would this do the trick or would the next model up (twice as much) be required.www.tooled-up.com/product/metabo-bas-260-swift-bandsaw-240v/196303/ (http://www.tooled-up.com/product/metabo-bas-260-swift-bandsaw-240v/196303/) Think this is the same company as the one you guys were saying about but its been renamed. Thanks for all your help so far guys :).
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Just reading all this and wondering why is the splice always a V shape? is there benefit to having a V shape rather than a squareish shape? i guess with a sqaure cut it would be tricky to make the 3rd straight cut perpendicular to the grains at the bottom of the splice...
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also why not an arrow shape ? pointing into the bat ? this would almost prevent the handle from falling out vertically creating a possibly stronger joint, of course you couldnt slide the handle in you would have to sort of push it in from the side, .... sort of like those baby toys where you have to put the correct shape in the hole :D
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A v shape splice is stronger creating a wedge
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I seem to remember watching something on TV that said a wedge type shape was strongest - think of the central stone in an old archway, that's always this type of shape.
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So any recommendations for a blade and stand for the bandsaw above? :) Thanks.
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Speak to Ian at tuffsaws. He knows his stuff and very helpful. He'll tell you the best blade for your saw.
Best and cheapest thing would be to make one from plywood/ softwood.
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Speak to Ian at tuffsaws. He knows his stuff and very helpful. He'll tell you the best blade for your saw.
Best and cheapest thing would be to make one from plywood/ softwood.
Will be sure to contact him , thanks! Assume you were talking about the jig when talking about the wood?
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Will be sure to contact him , thanks! Assume you were talking about the jig when talking about the wood?
No I was on about the stand but you can also make a jig using ply/ mdf/ softwood etc.
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I have next size up band saw from the one you linked. Don't be fooled by the 100mm depth of cut. I wouldn't dream of cutting something that big on my saw as it wouldn't handle the load. I agree with Matt, the bigger the better. In all honesty, if you're only just getting into woodwork I would buy a decent tenon saw and a nice big vintage firmer chisel instead. I'll show you a picture of my jig if anyone ever gives me a clue as to how to upload photos on this stupid website!
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I have next size up band saw from the one you linked. Don't be fooled by the 100mm depth of cut. I wouldn't dream of cutting something that big on my saw as it wouldn't handle the load. I agree with Matt, the bigger the better. In all honesty, if you're only just getting into woodwork I would buy a decent tenon saw and a nice big vintage firmer chisel instead. I'll show you a picture of my jig if anyone ever gives me a clue as to how to upload photos on this stupid website!
Encase the direct url of your image in image tags. [img.]inserturlhere[/img.] - do that but without the dots.
Or click the button below 'B' and above the smiley icon in the toolbar above your text box and past the url of the picture in between the tags
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So they have to exist online somewhere else first? Sorry for hijacking the thread but I'd like to know! Also I make things out of wood for a living so my IT skills aren't up to scratch!
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I have next size up band saw from the one you linked. Don't be fooled by the 100mm depth of cut. I wouldn't dream of cutting something that big on my saw as it wouldn't handle the load. I agree with Matt, the bigger the better. In all honesty, if you're only just getting into woodwork I would buy a decent tenon saw and a nice big vintage firmer chisel instead. I'll show you a picture of my jig if anyone ever gives me a clue as to how to upload photos on this stupid website!
Considering all my options at the moment mate so thanks for your opinion :).Do you think with a more suitable blade though it will be able to cut through a cleft with a 75mm spine?
(There's a tutorial somewhere round here on uploading pics)
Edit :Go to postimage.org to upload it then get the url from there once you've uploaded it.
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So they have to exist online somewhere else first? Sorry for hijacking the thread but I'd like to know! Also I make things out of wood for a living so my IT skills aren't up to scratch!
Having run a very successful forum for many years, i know the costs of hosting large files like pictures on your own site is astronomical. Unless you beef up your hosting significantly, it can also slow the website down.
Hence the reason for needing to store the file on a site such as photobucket, though i recommend imgur.
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(http://postimage.org/image/4f8wtlq7t/)
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D'oh!
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([url]http://postimage.org/image/4f8wtlq7t/[/url])
http://s20.postimage.org/hjeh6ai9p/IMAG0241.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/hjeh6ai9p/IMAG0241.jpg)
I opened the page you linked, right clicked the image and selected 'open image in new tab'
The url i've posted is the one you need to encase in the img tags
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(http://postimage.org/image/4f8wtlq7t/)
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([url]http://postimage.org/image/4f8wtlq7t/[/url])
(http://s20.postimage.org/hjeh6ai9p/IMAG0241.jpg)
Fez if the url ends in .jpg, gif, bmp etc it would work...
you tried http://postimage.org/image/4f8wtlq7t/ (http://postimage.org/image/4f8wtlq7t/)
which won't work...essentially when viewing an image online if you right click and go to properties you can then copy the address (url) sting and paste that between img codes...
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This is making my brain fall out. I'll stop.
Anyway, Sam. I don't really know if the smaller saw will do the job but my gut tells me that it is slightly underpowered for what you want to do with it.
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On a different note. How do you like the bat! This was the prototype, I just finished No.9 today!
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Can't beat a traditional bat. Looks good!