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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: tushar sehgal on March 04, 2013, 01:31:14 PM
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I shared this with Chad over the weekend but here it is for everyone else to criticize...any faults/improvements to be made. Please keep in mind that we don't really have a run-up area indoors but where in the bowling action can improvements be made, I noticed my non-bowling arm needs to be a tad bit higher to start (I am in the blue India shirt)
NSCA Indoor Training - March 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSdIs6yMHe8#ws)
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Your second ball was alright...
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Well, aside from the fact that you don't really follow through, I notice that as your action goes from right to left (which is probably why you naturally bowl outswing). If you look where your front arm is, you aren't throwing it up in front and pulling down on it in line with the stumps, you are throwing it across to your right hand side and and then pulling across to your left. This has the effect of creating a body rotation from right to left that will force your bowling arm to do something similar and generate outswing.
If you can get your left arm up in front of you, you are more likely to pull down straight, and then bring your bowling arm through straight, from where you can work on swinging the ball in both directions.
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Well, aside from the fact that you don't really follow through, I notice that as your action goes from right to left (which is probably why you naturally bowl outswing). If you look where your front arm is, you aren't throwing it up in front and pulling down on it in line with the stumps, you are throwing it across to your right hand side and and then pulling across to your left. This has the effect of creating a body rotation from right to left that will force your bowling arm to do something similar and generate outswing.
If you can get your left arm up in front of you, you are more likely to pull down straight, and then bring your bowling arm through straight, from where you can work on swinging the ball in both directions.
I think Tim's right on this one, I don't know how I managed to miss that! ;) I guess I got the bowling arm finishing closer to the hip part right though! 8)
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You have a mixed side arm action, your front foot at the time of landing is almost facing fine leg which is making your whole body pivot around it towards the off stump, which creates stress on the lower back and might cause injury.
I found this article quite interesting :
http://www.coachesinfo.com/index.php?Itemid=159&catid=84:cricket-bowling&id=281:fastmedium&option=com_content&view=article (http://www.coachesinfo.com/index.php?Itemid=159&catid=84:cricket-bowling&id=281:fastmedium&option=com_content&view=article)
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You have a mixed side arm action, your front foot at the time of landing is almost facing fine leg which is making your whole body pivot around it towards the off stump, which creates stress on the lower back and might cause injury.
I found this article quite interesting :
[url]http://www.coachesinfo.com/index.php?Itemid=159&catid=84:cricket-bowling&id=281:fastmedium&option=com_content&view=article[/url] ([url]http://www.coachesinfo.com/index.php?Itemid=159&catid=84:cricket-bowling&id=281:fastmedium&option=com_content&view=article[/url])
As a seam bowler struggling with lower-back pain, this is very interesting reading. I'm pretty sure that I do quite a few of the things the study suggested were detrimental to the well-being of the back.
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Reviewing your bowling against the coaching manual, you can see in the video the following two issues:
1. Your general alignment into delivery then follow through. your back leg is out to the left hand side while your front leg is roughly 12 inches across the crease to the right. You can see that in this part of the video:
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/TushSideways-0_zps8eaf898d.png)
My comment about you throwing your leading arm out to the right maybe linked to this, but your alignment is somewhat off kilter.
2. You deliver from a massively laterally flexed position:
1st Ball:
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/TushSideways-1_zpsf8cc964a.png)
2nd Ball:
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/TushSideways-3_zps4f0ddc98.png)
With alignment showing:
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/TushSideways-1_zps0cde8e2a.png)
Look where your head is in both these deliveries. Your whole body is bent over to the side, so maintaining control and generating pace is going to be extremely difficult.
In both cases your body is managing your balance rather than fluidly maintaining your pace through the delivery. Your lateral flexion will also mean that the arc your arm will draw is as below:
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/TushSideways-4_zpsefc900d9.png)
With your body moving as it is and the way your arm is following, you are essentially generating outswing through your action and not through the tools that Dale Steyn uses. If you can get yourself upright and aligned, those may be much more use.
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I really want to film myself now. That dissection of his action is brilliant, Tim.
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I really want to film myself now. That dissection of his action is brilliant, Tim.
I'm a getting on a bit bowler. I try and help at nets.
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Wow this is great, thanks Tim and everyone else. I will read it again tonight and soak...2 things i should have mentioned is
a) due to a short run up I am coming in an angle which takes me across the stumps, i run in bowl a lot straighter otherwise but I am sure there are still issues with the alignment.
b) I have a severly injured right kneed, just got it xrayed, which is impacting bowling action and follow through...
again thanks for the pointers, lots of work to be done
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Wow this is great, thanks Tim and everyone else. I will read it again tonight and soak...2 things i should have mentioned is
a) due to a short run up I am coming in an angle which takes me across the stumps, i run in bowl a lot straighter otherwise but I am sure there are still issues with the alignment.
b) I have a severly injured right kneed, just got it xrayed, which is impacting bowling action and follow through...
again thanks for the pointers, lots of work to be done
Yup, generally though, try fix one thing at a time! I find that this really helps prevent injuries which can happen if you try and change everything at once. Maybe prioritise on what you want to work on first, and I would say it would be to lower the risks of injuries, so form is probably the first thing! Lots of shadow bowling to be done around the house Tushar! The shadow batting can wait, your Torque isn't quite at your doorstep yet! 8) I'll try remember a camera and a stand next time I bowl, I really want to improve this year in both pace, accuracy and form. :)
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Yeah i think I will be working on being straighter and delivering so i can use my height to its fullest too...
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That batsman needs some help :D
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You have a mixed side arm action, your front foot at the time of landing is almost facing fine leg which is making your whole body pivot around it towards the off stump, which creates stress on the lower back and might cause injury.
I found this article quite interesting :
[url]http://www.coachesinfo.com/index.php?Itemid=159&catid=84:cricket-bowling&id=281:fastmedium&option=com_content&view=article[/url] ([url]http://www.coachesinfo.com/index.php?Itemid=159&catid=84:cricket-bowling&id=281:fastmedium&option=com_content&view=article[/url])
With all due respect mate, the whole mixed action thing has been discredited by the Fast Bowling gurus at Loughborough. Will look at the video later!
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With all due respect mate, the whole mixed action thing has been discredited by the Fast Bowling gurus at Loughborough. Will look at the video later!
And in that posted article....
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I think You have a bit of Shaun Taite about you Tushar. Was that you who bowled the guy out ? Great ball. Unorthodox actions are not coached out anymore in fact coaches are now looking for that in young players as they recognize that unorthodox means something different which potentially means wickets.
My advice would be work with the technique you have and just build on that.
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I think You have a bit of Shaun Taite about you Tushar. Was that you who bowled the guy out ? Great ball. Unorthodox actions are not coached out anymore in fact coaches are now looking for that in young players as they recognize that unorthodox means something different which potentially means wickets.
My advice would be work with the technique you have and just build on that.
Thanks Kieron, yes that was me indeed. Unfortunately the guy who shot the video didn't get any of the inswing attempts in, I have been trying for a long time to get the ball to move in but has not happened in years till this net, action is a bit different for inswing for me. I do need be a bit more upright, i find i tend to do some things wrong when striving for pace which is always a problem in these nets for me.
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That batsman needs some help :D
He is actually not that bad a batsman, doesn't look very good sometimes but has good hand and eyes. The ball he got out to was significantly down the legside and then came in/ swung out to take his leg stump...i had bowled a few of those afterwards most times people were trying to just let the ball go as a leg side wide for it to come in and hit them on their toes or stumps..
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I'm definitely with Kieron on this one. Don't revert to type just because you think you should bowl with a different technique. As long as its replicable and doesn't hurt, and the outcome is good then stick with it. Why do you think Tait, Murali and Malinga are such world forces?
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Thanks Kieron, yes that was me indeed. Unfortunately the guy who shot the video didn't get any of the inswing attempts in, I have been trying for a long time to get the ball to move in but has not happened in years till this net, action is a bit different for inswing for me. I do need be a bit more upright, i find i tend to do some things wrong when striving for pace which is always a problem in these nets for me.
Away swing to a right hander will always take more wickets, especially they higher standard you play so I wouldn't worry too much. I can only bowl in swing as I have a chest on action. I found against the top batsman in swing is just bread and butter and I got picked off at will so I had to develop something else as a variation which was the leg cutter. Perhaps you should try the off cutter as a variation. I think this is what Malinga does. Gives you another option that might be easier with your action than the in swinger
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well nothing hurts, except for my knee which is a different matter, hve been bowling like this all this while..i would most likely try and get my front foot not so much across as it tends to trip me up once in a while..
thanks again everyone for the tips, comments and what i would call compliments :)
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I am part time bowler ..so no comments here
but you seem to have nice pace ...swinging with new ball is always a dangerous weapon as long as put in the right spot
Even i have bad knee problem - because of the weight i have gained over time - one thing that has helped is glucosamine chondroitin
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Thanks Amit, my knee is more to do with something i did to it at start of last season. I played with it all season and am still able to play but next day or 2 I almost cannot move. Just got it x-rayed lets see what the doc says...
what is glucosamine chondroitin? what does it do...I can't tell you how much it hurts today :(
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I shared this with Chad over the weekend but here it is for everyone else to criticize...any faults/improvements to be made. Please keep in mind that we don't really have a run-up area indoors but where in the bowling action can improvements be made, I noticed my non-bowling arm needs to be a tad bit higher to start (I am in the blue India shirt)
NSCA Indoor Training - March 2013 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSdIs6yMHe8#ws[/url])
Looks like your head and upper body is bent too much away from the batsman (Pause at 5 to see what i mean). Would be more effective if you were much upright at the time of release, like the guy in maroon shirt. Good out swingers though.
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Thanks Amit, my knee is more to do with something i did to it at start of last season. I played with it all season and am still able to play but next day or 2 I almost cannot move. Just got it x-rayed lets see what the doc says...
what is glucosamine chondroitin? what does it do...I can't tell you how much it hurts today :(
Glucosamine is a basic building block for cartilage, synovial fluid and other connective tissue. It is needed for healthy structure and function of joints for optimum mobility.
Chondroitin Sulfate protects existing cartilage and serves as a building block for healthy new cartilage.
Most of the vitamin stores / pharmacy stores carry it
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"With your body moving as it is and the way your arm is following, you are essentially generating outswing through your action and not through the tools that Dale Steyn uses. If you can get yourself upright and aligned, those may be much more use."
Tim, this is very true and you have given some great advice here. His action is really geared towards bowling out swing which is not a bad thing at all. The only problem is that he will not be extracting maximum bounce from the wicket, bowling the straight one or even I swinger will be very difficult and he will be swinging the ball out of the hand and not getting later swing.
As a seam bowler yourself, what would you advize he do to adjust his action without changing it too dramatically? Getting a bit mre upright at delivery and possible opening up a bit with that front leg?
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As a seam bowler yourself, what would you advize he do to adjust his action without changing it too dramatically? Getting a bit mre upright at delivery and possible opening up a bit with that front leg?
It's a tricky one really. I was always coached into "throwing my front arm up and pulling it down" and staying upright, as falling over resulted in balls going either way. Alignment can often be fixed just by running in straighter.
As Kieron says though, if the action is working, then Tush doesn't necessarily need to do anything. Even Banana away swing flummoxes a batsman at amateur levels of cricket. Late swing or seam usually means you miss the edge most times because the batsman can't get near it.
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a) due to a short run up I am coming in an angle which takes me across the stumps, i run in bowl a lot straighter otherwise but I am sure there are still issues with the alignment.
Can I ask why?
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He might have to change a bit too much if he adjusted. I suppose because he closes himself up a bit at the crease he had to develop the slingy action to generate away swing.
I suppose boomerang swing could also be effective. Just thought he might like to be able to generate what type of swing he wants to bowl according the batsman and conditions.
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He might have to change a bit too much if he adjusted. I suppose because he closes himself up a bit at the crease he had to develop the slingy action to generate away swing.
I suppose boomerang swing could also be effective. Just thought he might like to be able to generate what type of swing he wants to bowl according the batsman and conditions.
Given that the away swing is already there, using the seam to generate a cutter or learning how to bowl an off cutter may be more effective and require less fundamental change. Also, use of intelligent slower balls may also add variation that doesn't require this.
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Can I ask why?
In match situations I really depend on my run up & rhythm but since there is only about 5 odd steps indoor i come in at a curved angle which i think gives me an extra step or two in the run up but also results in going across...most times when i run in indoors I am almost looking at fine leg...not a good habit i know...
also just to add I have had no problems bowling straighter ones and was also finally able to get some inswing in nets on saturday....maybe on March 23rd net I will try and record all these things and post another vid trying to cover other variations...i usually bowl off-stump line with little movement...nets get a little fun where i try and get this bannana curve going...
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In match situations I really depend on my run up & rhythm but since there is only about 5 odd steps indoor i come in at a curved angle which i think gives me an extra step or two in the run up but also results in going across...most times when i run in indoors I am almost looking at fine leg...not a good habit i know...
also just to add I have had no problems bowling straighter ones and was also finally able to get some inswing in nets on saturday....maybe on March 23rd net I will try and record all these things and post another vid trying to cover other variations...i usually bowl off-stump line with little movement...nets get a little fun where i try and get this bannana curve going...
While I appreciate that you don't have the same run up indoors, you should try and bowl as close to normal as possible, including the run up. If you aren't bowling as fast, that's really not a concern.
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While I appreciate that you don't have the same run up indoors, you should try and bowl as close to normal as possible, including the run up. If you aren't bowling as fast, that's really not a concern.
I agree but I get greedy :D
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While I appreciate that you don't have the same run up indoors, you should try and bowl as close to normal as possible, including the run up. If you aren't bowling as fast, that's really not a concern.
This was what I was going to suggest, better to lose all but 1-2 steps of your run than have to change the angle and most likely your action. In any case if you have any pace the extra distance is more likely to sacrifice speed than give any extra if you need a change of run up to get them.
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Tim, you forgot to put an invoice at the bottom of your post ;)