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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: LeonieKelly18 on March 08, 2013, 02:36:15 PM
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So i coach this youth team at my local club. But most of them have their heads stuck up their own you know what.
2 weeks ago i wasnt in the country so a mate took it over and as soon as i got back he complained to me about their behavior.
So today is the first time i see them again and wanted a nice welcome back moment and show them where bad behavior get them. With a coach no where.
But my problem is i'm only used to fitness coaching adult rugby players which is a bit heavy for a group of young boys and girls.
Anyone any ideas to help me out?
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My experience is that children act up when they are bored. Make the fitness fun and the drills enjoyable and you may get a better response.
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Most of the time they do it to avoid doing the stuff that they hate. Best punishment is to not allow them to do the stuff they like. So, if it was football, they don't want to do the hard work, but they all want to be in the game at the end, so if you don't behave you don't get to play in the game. Simple carrot and stick really.
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Be very careful of prolonged blanket punishment.
Initial team building is fine but prolonged it will single people out
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When I coach, I tend to try to build the strength and conditioning into the warm up - so the warm up may take longer, but once you build the routine the reaction is positive.
I also tend to try to make any other fitness stuff built into game related exercises. I have never really like the "game at the end" carrot - as I said I try to make as much of what I coach as game related as possible.
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Slip catching practise outside in our lively British weather and use new balls, and a gun bat, that will sort them out.
My fingers are still killing from doing this on Wednesday lol
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Punishments will get you nowhere! If they act up its because of a lack of respect, something which ultimately is down to the coach (unfortunately you)! Fitness should also definitely never be used as a punishment because it will completely demotivate them to want to work on their conditioning. What you need to do is sit them down and talk to them about respect and what they are hoping to achieve from being coached. Give them a rollicking and move on!
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If I've read you post correctly I don't think you should be using fitness drills as a form of punishment with young players. You are reinforcing the negative stereotype that fitness training is something to be endured, rather than enjoyed.
What age is the group?
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Sorry seen the age in the title.
Agree with Nick's post which he posted just before mine. I would say that for you to describe a group of children as having their heads up their you know what, reflects badly as your attitude as a coach. Children misbehave because they are bored or are doing something they are not enjoying, so it reflects more on the coaching than the children.
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If you really want to punish them then make them watch a video of uknsaunders batting for an hour. I can't think of anything worse than that.
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If you really want to punish them then make them watch a video of uknsaunders batting for an hour. I can't think of anything worse than that.
BOOOOOOOOM!
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Punishments will get you nowhere! If they act up its because of a lack of respect, something which ultimately is down to the coach (unfortunately you)! Fitness should also definitely never be used as a punishment because it will completely demotivate them to want to work on their conditioning. What you need to do is sit them down and talk to them about respect and what they are hoping to achieve from being coached. Give them a rollicking and move on!
Like i said.. i wasnt there when it happened it was someone who doesnt even work for the club came to give training to them so there was training as i had a tournament in dubai.
saying that they have their head up there you know whats is because they act like it and sorry don't get me wrong i love coaching them but when a child comes up to you and says i dont want to train with that kid because he is not good enough for my level while they play at the same level. i dont think its a miss judgement.?
i can get them to do as they are told but thats towards me. as ive had loads of coaches in my time i was always taught by no matter who your coach is and how good you think you are you respect your coach. if you have a situation you dont agree with ask them but in a one on one chat. you do not disrespect them.
it's not really just a punishment they need to do it either way.
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make them run and do press ups until they throw up. Sorry I forgot to add make them eat lots of ice cream beforehand, maybe mint chocolate chip.
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Like i said.. i wasnt there when it happened it was someone who doesnt even work for the club came to give training to them so there was training as i had a tournament in dubai.
saying that they have their head up there you know whats is because they act like it and sorry don't get me wrong i love coaching them but when a child comes up to you and says i dont want to train with that kid because he is not good enough for my level while they play at the same level. i dont think its a miss judgement.?
i can get them to do as they are told but thats towards me. as ive had loads of coaches in my time i was always taught by no matter who your coach is and how good you think you are you respect your coach. if you have a situation you dont agree with ask them but in a one on one chat. you do not disrespect them.
it's not really just a punishment they need to do it either way.
I would love to see your coaching philosophy (not in a condescending way). You come across as a very autocratic coach, which has its benefits and also its drawbacks. Respect is something that is earned, and demanding that your players respect some-one will not work in the slightest, it will garner perhaps (at best) grudging respect, but that is an environment where players will be petrified of making mistakes, and will not learn anything. It is well documented that the best learning takes place during failure, and fear of failure will not create good players. To say that they have their heads up their backsides doesn't to me show some-one who is able to get the best out of their players, and it doesn't sound like a great environment to learn. I suggest you hold a players meeting and get them to come up with a solid set of ground rules that are attainable and easily kept to. I also suggest that 'getting them to do as they're told' is the wrong attitude as you need to make them believe in what they are doing and buy into it, and make them independent learners. This is the easiest way imo to differentiate a coaching session, and asking questions of various players is far more effective than telling them what they need to do at every point of a session.
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How I'd deal with this - at the next session, lay it on really thick about how disappoiinted you were with their behaviour and how if that were to happen when you were there you'd refuse to coach them. Then give them the punishment drill - five to ten minutes of running at a bit of pace is one they will hate - but then make clear that the matter is in the past and go on as normal...
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My previous experiences of coaching and coaching coaches (say that three times fast...) as a tutor is that we always tried to emphasise the cliché - the best teacher of the game is the game itself.
Never using exercise as a punishment; use guided discovery - what do they think they've done wrong? Why are you disappointed in them? What do they feel are the expectations when they attend sessions?
Conditioning can be fun through warm ups, main activities (i.e. the focus of your particular session) and small-sided conditioned games - ensure that he focus is on their learning, not punishing them. Guide them through the learning processes (why are we doing this? How is this activity relevant in a game situation?) Focus on whole-part-whole learning and get continued feedback from them; that way, they will feel they have input into sessions and work accordingly - you should find behaviour improving.
Make the game enjoyable. Interact with them re; learning and make the sessions hard work, but fun. Create an environment that challenges them all through small-sided activities and all-inclusive sessions.
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Tell their Mums! Haha the only person I ever really feared being told off by was my Mum! Never misbehaved in cricket practice mind you only French and Maths when boredom set in
Presumably the parents are paying good money so their children can attend coaching and my bet is that they won't be best pleased to find out that young Johnny has been a cheeky little chappy
This might help separate those children who really want to be there from those who don't
Failing that clip them round the ear, it worked for Cloughy . . . . . . .
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Every single catch we dropped as kids - we were to run 800m for that.
it worked in indian settings in 1990s - kids these days are too soft.
I played few ugly slogs in Dec 1997 nets and my coach didn't let me bat till March 1998 in the nets.
Too tough - yeah but I learned the lesson of self control and patience.
Cricket aside - All that has taught me there is no second chance in life - get it right the first time.
I played cricket even my parents wanted me to go into Wrestling - I choose cricket (or cricket choose me :D ) - It was something I wanted to do - forget about boredom and all these kids are having. Had I told my parents that I have not batted (I was down 1 bat and left arm bowl) for last three months - they would have made drop it right away.
Played U-15,U-17 districts and State - thanks to coaches.
Jag.
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Every single catch we dropped as kids - we were to run 800m for that.
it worked in indian settings in 1990s - kids these days are too soft.
I played few ugly slogs in Dec 1997 nets and my coach didn't let me bat till March 1998 in the nets.
Too tough - yeah but I learned the lesson of self control and patience.
Cricket aside - All that has taught me there is no second chance in life - get it right the first time.
I played cricket even my parents wanted me to go into Wrestling - I choose cricket (or cricket choose me :D ) - It was something I wanted to do - forget about boredom and all these kids are having. Had I told my parents that I have not batted (I was down 1 bat and left arm bowl) for last three months - they would have made drop it right away.
Played U-15,U-17 districts and State - thanks to coaches.
Jag.
B*******S!
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B*******S!
Lol really - u think so.
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do slip catches in a group and try and get them to get to 20/30 without dropping one, and every time they do start again and vary difficulty hard/soft wide/straight etc. Keep them working hard whilst also a frustrating punishment when there so close and have to start again.
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Lol really - u think so.
I completely do. You didn't make mistakes because you were afraid to do so! How is that an effective learning environment!
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I completely do. You didn't make mistakes because you were afraid to do so! How is that an effective learning environment!
I'd be honest Nick the environment in India back in the day was and probably still is miles different from UK, end results wanted might be similar (money/fame/good life etc) but motivation and paths are very different.
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I agree mate, but there's a very good reason why things are different now to the way they were back in the day!
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We were given chances to swing our heart out but in a given time (last 3 mins of the net).
Structured approach of building an inning - leave defend early on - then push around - then drive and punch -- so on to last 3 mins.
800m for a dropped catch - it has helped - my worst season catching is 2008 where I dropped 2 catches whole season (whatever blah level of club cricket here in US). its around 25-30 games a year
On average - a dropped catch a season I have gone so far - its embedded in sub-conscious to treat catch as a big deal.
Different times - different approach. (thats why I said 1990s indian settings).
game has evolved - so should be coaching techniques. I was sharing my experience - not trying to suggest thats how it should be done.
Jag.
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I agree mate, but there's a very good reason why things are different now to the way they were back in the day!
I agree
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13 - 16 year old are tough to coach. I've had a little experience with these age groups helping run our U13 side and skippering our 3rd XI for two seasons. Leonie, who covered for you while you were away? Was it someone who has experience of coaching kids already? This age range are always going to act up if they get an opportunity. Is it possible that your replacement wasn't up to the job?
You said yourself they are a little precocious but I get the impression that you don't have the same problems as your replacement did. If you're upset that they acted up while you were away then I would have to agree with others that you'd be better off explaining to them that they have let you down rather than just beasting them. I can see how it would be embarassing having someone think that they're like that all the time and that you're in charge of a mob! Again, maybe you're a better coach than the person who said that they were bad kids.
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See, little brats playing up is what really puts me off coaching groups of them. Coaching individuals is fine as they want to learn etc. Coaching groups where the mess about.. sod that.
Good luck :)
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Thanks for your help in this matter.
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Thanks for your help in this matter.
Nips :) anytime
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13 - 16 year old are tough to coach. I've had a little experience with these age groups helping run our U13 side and skippering our 3rd XI for two seasons. Leonie, who covered for you while you were away? Was it someone who has experience of coaching kids already? This age range are always going to act up if they get an opportunity. Is it possible that your replacement wasn't up to the job?
You said yourself they are a little precocious but I get the impression that you don't have the same problems as your replacement did. If you're upset that they acted up while you were away then I would have to agree with others that you'd be better off explaining to them that they have let you down rather than just beasting them. I can see how it would be embarassing having someone think that they're like that all the time and that you're in charge of a mob! Again, maybe you're a better coach than the person who said that they were bad kids.
the coach that toke over is my own coach i know he is a serious good coach.
but i dont really have problems with kids or their behavior being on your own with that age group when you yourself is 19 is a challenge and having one group like i said that has played as long as i have and they are on mens level and kids that have just started is my problem.
but i took in consideration what people said on here and when they misbehaved i didn't let them join in with the things they liked which seemed to help!
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I would love to see your coaching philosophy (not in a condescending way). You come across as a very autocratic coach, which has its benefits and also its drawbacks. Respect is something that is earned, and demanding that your players respect some-one will not work in the slightest, it will garner perhaps (at best) grudging respect, but that is an environment where players will be petrified of making mistakes, and will not learn anything. It is well documented that the best learning takes place during failure, and fear of failure will not create good players. To say that they have their heads up their backsides doesn't to me show some-one who is able to get the best out of their players, and it doesn't sound like a great environment to learn. I suggest you hold a players meeting and get them to come up with a solid set of ground rules that are attainable and easily kept to. I also suggest that 'getting them to do as they're told' is the wrong attitude as you need to make them believe in what they are doing and buy into it, and make them independent learners. This is the easiest way imo to differentiate a coaching session, and asking questions of various players is far more effective than telling them what they need to do at every point of a session.
ohw wauw i think your getting me completely wrong, i dont ask for respect at all and we have a seriously good laugh during the session and if they make mistakes they learn from them.
i just asked for help with punishment and as my old coach always gave me fitness when i didnt behave i thought it would help. if i would have thought it was my way or the high way i wouldnt be on here asking for help would i now?
im a 19 year old girl coaching 16 year old boys who are all very dominant and ive known since we where babies. thats why i asked help.
im used to way younger childeren or men this is a first for me.
but as i read the posts on here i didnt use the fitness as a punishment i did as you people said i toke the fun things away.
please dont get me wrong because i love coaching i really do i just wanted help.and ive learnt from what you people have said
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btw. punishment might be the wrong word. i just dont know what to call it otherwise..
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I think words have been misplaced
I think she meant how best to help install discipline rather than punishment as discipline is needed to become a top player
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I think words have been misplaced
I think she meant how best to help install discipline rather than punishment as discipline is needed to become a top player
yes thats what i ment!
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I agree you've got your work cut out for you there! It's always harder to assume a role of authority when you've come up from the ranks so to speak. You're gonna find out what works for you soon enough. Stick at it though as I think bringing good kids through is one of the most rewarding things in the game. My U13's are all 19/20 now and breaking into the first team. Amazing to see!