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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: Chad on March 11, 2013, 05:47:55 PM
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Hey guys, just a video of me bowling. (I'm the guy in red and my brother is the leftie in white)
Bowling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCdn9KSEgkM#ws)
Anyone got any tips on how to improve, or anything I am doing wrong? The thing which I found was that despite changing my action and way I deliver the ball to get more away movement in the air and off the pitch, I am still bowling chest on, which there is nothing wrong with, and I don't think I have a mixed action, although I could be wrong! I have been told by the uni coach that I need to rotate a little more on my follow through to try gain that extra yard of pace, later swing and also so I don't follow through and block the umpire's view, preventing any LBW decisions. I clearly forgot about it in this video though! :-[
Also, if anyone can offer advice on the brother, that would be great too! I try coach him a little here and there, but I don't really know a HUGE amount about coaching anything, so any help would be appreciated! 8) It is quite interesting that we used to have very similar actions, but watching some of his bowling, it seems he has had a more of a side on approach!
Thanks!
Chad
PS. Any tips on camera angles which work the best? :-[
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I think, and without a front on angle, its only a hunch but your timing looks a little bit off. You seem to have almost planted your front foot before pulling your arm round when in fact driving your front leg should assist in pulling your arm over.
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Scrap that, the rest look fine. You do definitely fall over though and your head looks to drop to the off side.
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My advice is give up and bowl left handed mate ;)
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Your brother isn't bowling side on, he's running in at an angle, chucking his front arm up and because he is pointing slightly towards fine leg v the leftie, looking down the arm, but he's bowling mixed/front on as opposed to you who are very square.
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Im no bowling coach, but there does seem a lack of usage from your front arm. Would recommend having a read of ian ponts bowling books.
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Im no bowling coach, but there does seem a lack of usage from your front arm. Would recommend having a read of ian ponts bowling books.
agree, need to get the left arm up a bit. You can't charge bowlers action completely to it being bolt upright but a bit more would help with your control. You look very front-on as well. Everyone is different but being near side on would help.
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I like the fact the bloke hitting the balls at the keeper isn't getting them anywhere near him....
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Thanks for the advice guys, especially you Wilkie... Now get back to making my soft pockets! ;) Will try work on the things you all mentioned, and maybe being a little more side on will aid in stopping me from falling over and keeping my head up. :)
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The guy missing the keeper looks like he is using a Laver as well.
With regards to the bowling, it looks like you are trying to bowl too fast! Possibly shorten your run up a bit, find a rythymn and work towards a very strong left arm, that is your driving force, a really good strong leading arm leads your action through.
Good luck with it as it isn't easy, has your club got a good coach, or a pro who is a bowler?
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The guy missing the keeper looks like he is using a Laver as well.
With regards to the bowling, it looks like you are trying to bowl too fast! Possibly shorten your run up a bit, find a rythymn and work towards a very strong left arm, that is your driving force, a really good strong leading arm leads your action through.
Good luck with it as it isn't easy, has your club got a good coach, or a pro who is a bowler?
If I was trying to bowl too fast, the left arm would always be coming up higher! :P I just find I lose my line when I raise my arm too high, and most importantly, my swing. I'm not a tall guy, around 5'8-5'9, so my swing is all I have, no point in sacrificing that for extra pace! Although I am still trying new things, and want to improve my action and fitness so I can bowl 10 overs on the trott no problem and then go out to bat and still run hard for those singles. :) I guess pulling my arm from slightly higher up will help in the long run once I have mastered it! We do have coaches, but I never really tend to get huge amounts of advice from them, and we used to have a pro who was a bowler, but he didn't really help much either! I mostly read up on these things, and watch how other people bowl, but there is only so much you can teach yourself! :-[
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one thing i picked up on, you bowl from all over the crease and rarely get close to the umpires end stumps. If you are a bowler of swing you want to be consistent in where you are landing on the crease as you will have more control over the swing - if you bowl very wide of the crease there is more chance you will over-compensate and push it down leg etc. Hope you catch the drift of what im saying. Also, you want to be directing all of your momentum towards the batsmen - bowl wide of the crease and that momentum is going anywhere but the batsmen - think of it as tunnel vision, everything heading towards the batsmen.
I am also a great believer that fast bowlers get a lot of pace from their glutes - work hard on leg strength and that will help you push your leg through on the crease and maybe generate a little more pace.
In my experience though - a decent swing bowler at 70mph causes a lot more trouble than a straight up and downer at 75mph, work on controlling you swing and consistently delivering from the same point of release - you can use cones to help you with this.
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I agree with SillyShilly regarding pace and swing, we have a couple of guys who just make the ball bend in and out, wrist Position, seam position and follow through all help.
Where are you based? If people at your club can't help, a local county ground will have top notch coaching available, at Lancs its £34 for an hour of one on one coaching and I have had a few sessions, it has been brilliant for me, a couple of sessions then practice and maybe have another one or two.
I really can't recommend it highly enough, plus as you are a keen learner, you will love it.
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I agree with SillyShilly regarding pace and swing, we have a couple of guys who just make the ball bend in and out, wrist Position, seam position and follow through all help.
Where are you based? If people at your club can't help, a local county ground will have top notch coaching available, at Lancs its £34 for an hour of one on one coaching and I have had a few sessions, it has been brilliant for me, a couple of sessions then practice and maybe have another one or two.
I really can't recommend it highly enough, plus as you are a keen learner, you will love it.
Glasgow. ;) Yeah, I think I get it around 60-65 and swing it both ways, although the inswinger is noticeably slower... :-[ I would love to be able to swing it at 70 mph, as that's more than enough to trouble most batsmen! I would also love some one on one coaching, but unfortunately, cricket isn't quite nearly as popular here as it is down south and there aren't as many coaches! I will try get a better camera angle, as it is the swing which gets me wickets more than anything else, but most of the time, you can't see the ball at this angle! :(
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Sack the keeper coach what is he doing
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Chad, get in touch with the Ecb, I am sure they will find you a local coach (fairly local).
I was videoed from behind, from the batters end, and the best angle was side on, looking at where my feet where landing (I bowl offspin)
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I am also a great believer that fast bowlers get a lot of pace from their glutes - work hard on leg strength and that will help you push your leg through on the crease and maybe generate a little more pace.
Sad biomechanical point here - you want to slow the bottom half of your body down in delivery stride to allow the top half to accelerate at a greater rate to bowl quicker.
EDIT: Note- yes leg strength is need to aid deceleration and not ruin knees/ ankles.
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Scrap that, the rest look fine. You do definitely fall over though and your head looks to drop to the off side.
good attacking action. It's hard to tell from a reverse angle camera but when you hit your release point it looks like your head is still slightly back which means you haven't transferred your momentum fully into the delivery. Your head then falls away early as Nickauger pointed out. This could be one reason for not being able to maintain a consistent line.
Try looking down the inside of your arm instead of the outside and keep your eyes level for as long as you can through the action. This should help with the head falling away and the momentum through the delivery stride. You may gain a yard too.
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Maybe just me but your front foot is landing wide instead of more inline (stump to stump) which is slowing you down and not allowing a full follow through... And your brothers back leg is collapsing when it lands which mean he isn't releasing it as high as what he could be and not getting the bounce and speed he could be getting.
Or I have know idea what I am talking about therefore ignore m comments
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Having watched you bowl, I'm in the front arm camp, which should force you into lining your body up where you want it to point. But if you reckon it causes you more problems then I would say try and loosen up during your run up, which looks a bit stuttery. Try and make sure that your grip and wrist position are correct if you're having control problems. There are so many things to remember. That's why I've sacked it off to work on my batting instead!
Don't worry about having a 'mixed' action. We need all the variety possible in our game! Besides Bob Woolmer says it aint' no thing to have a mixed action in his big book of cricket which for me is the difinitive big book of cricket. All the batting break downs are done with Kallis modelling, with Donald and Rhodes demonstrating their own strongest suits. It's about £30 but i'm sure someone at your uni will already have one to reference.
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Or I have know idea what I am talking about therefore ignore m comments
whats usually said is right but people thoughts on why is wrong.
ie: standing tall to bowl
the reason this is said- to get bowler to brace the front leg for it to as a break around which to torso can rotate.
A scientific fact if to bowlers have the same arm speed but one braces the front leg they bowl quicker.
One lad who bowled pretty quick in his day
(https://www.smarterwebcompany.co.uk/catcheswinmatches-com/_img/Frame_By_Frame_Pics/Screen_shot_2011-08-14_at_15.44.04.png)
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whats usually said is right but people thoughts on why is wrong.
ie: standing tall to bowl
the reason this is said- to get bowler to brace the front leg for it to as a break around which to torso can rotate.
A scientific fact if to bowlers have the same arm speed but one braces the front leg they bowl quicker.
One lad who bowled pretty quick in his day
(https://www.smarterwebcompany.co.uk/catcheswinmatches-com/_img/Frame_By_Frame_Pics/Screen_shot_2011-08-14_at_15.44.04.png)
So in fact standing tall to bowl does help with bounce and speed... Hmmm thought that's what I said... And yes we all know Brett Lee Bowled fast... Wonder if he bowled taller if he could have been faster while still bracing the front leg.. Guess we will never know
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standing tall hasnt been tested... bracing the front leg increases pace!
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Glazier PS, Paradisis GP, Cooper SM.
Source
Biomechanics Laboratory, School of Sport, University of Wales Institute Cardiff, UK. pglazier@uwic.ac.uk
Abstract
The main aim of this study was to identify significant relationships between selected anthropometric and kinematic variables and ball release speed. Nine collegiate fast-medium bowlers (mean +/- s: age 21.0 +/- 0.9 years, body mass 77.2 +/- 8.1 kg, height 1.83 +/- 0.1 m) were filmed and reconstructed three-dimensionally. Ball release speeds were measured by a previously validated Speedchek Personal Sports Radar (Tribar Industries, Canada). Relationships between selected anthropometric variables and ball release speed and between kinematic variables and ball release speed were investigated using Pearson's product-moment correlation coefficients (r). A significant relationship was found between the horizontal velocity during the pre-delivery stride (r = 0.728, P < 0.05) and ball release speed (31.5 +/- 1.9 m(-1) s(-1)). We believe that the high correlation was due to the bowlers using techniques that allowed them to contribute more of the horizontal velocity created during the run-up to ball release speed. We also found that the angular velocity (40.6 +/- 3.4 rad x s(-1)) of the right humerus had a low correlation (r = 0.358, P > 0.05) with ball release speed. Although the action of the wrist was not analysed because of an inadequate frame rate, we found high correlations between ball release speed and shoulder-wrist length (661 +/- 31 mm; r = 0.626, P < 0.05) and ball release speed and total arm length (860 +/- 36 mm; r = 0.583, P < 0.05). We conclude that the variance in release speed within this group may be accounted for by the difference in radial length between the axis of rotation at the glenohumeral joint and the release point.
Here is another simple point of physics: The longer the lever the more acceleration is possible. This is why tall bowlers have a natural advantage as this study proves. However, the Law still applies to you no matter how long your arms are. Both your bowling and non bowling arms are important levers. This means keeping your arms fully extended as you bowl. Most bowlers do this already with the bowling arm, but it's also vital to use the non bowling arm to drive out and down. This allows you to fully rotate your shoulders and move into the follow through: A giant cartwheel whipping through. As this study shows, shoulder rotation is directly linked to speed. It's all about using every inch of the levers you have.
I'd consider that tested!
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first of all number 4.. BOYAAAHH!! good come back!
now back to the bowling.
things ive noticed might have already been said: (abit difficult with this angle)
when you bowl a wider ball you dont finish your follow through.
your front arm needs to be higher and dont just drag it down pul it down for it to be usefull.
stand up straighter.
your timing seems a bit of (only a slight bit)
but it doenst look bad at all!!
ohw and the guy hitting balls to the keeper.. is seriously dangerous doesnt look like he cares either
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Hey Chad, have watched this video many times now and I can't quiet explain it but there is something about your arms when you run in...almost like they are pumping up/down instead of back and forward...don't know if it makes a difference but doesn't seem right...although I am no one to point anything based on how messed up my action is :-[...
Another thing is when you deliver you are almost floating the ball, I know you are trying to bowl up to get swing, but if you shift focus a little bit to line and length (just short of good length) you will beat the outside edge a lot more i think...
I could be totally wrong here as I had to force myself to look at the actions because I usually end up following the ball as soon as you deliver...
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Glazier PS, Paradisis GP, Cooper SM.
Source
Biomechanics Laboratory, School of Sport, University of Wales Institute Cardiff, UK. pglazier@uwic.ac.uk
Abstract
The main aim of this study was to identify significant relationships between selected anthropometric and kinematic variables and ball release speed. Nine collegiate fast-medium bowlers (mean +/- s: age 21.0 +/- 0.9 years, body mass 77.2 +/- 8.1 kg, height 1.83 +/- 0.1 m) were filmed and reconstructed three-dimensionally. Ball release speeds were measured by a previously validated Speedchek Personal Sports Radar (Tribar Industries, Canada). Relationships between selected anthropometric variables and ball release speed and between kinematic variables and ball release speed were investigated using Pearson's product-moment correlation coefficients (r). A significant relationship was found between the horizontal velocity during the pre-delivery stride (r = 0.728, P < 0.05) and ball release speed (31.5 +/- 1.9 m(-1) s(-1)). We believe that the high correlation was due to the bowlers using techniques that allowed them to contribute more of the horizontal velocity created during the run-up to ball release speed. We also found that the angular velocity (40.6 +/- 3.4 rad x s(-1)) of the right humerus had a low correlation (r = 0.358, P > 0.05) with ball release speed. Although the action of the wrist was not analysed because of an inadequate frame rate, we found high correlations between ball release speed and shoulder-wrist length (661 +/- 31 mm; r = 0.626, P < 0.05) and ball release speed and total arm length (860 +/- 36 mm; r = 0.583, P < 0.05). We conclude that the variance in release speed within this group may be accounted for by the difference in radial length between the axis of rotation at the glenohumeral joint and the release point.
Here is another simple point of physics: The longer the lever the more acceleration is possible. This is why tall bowlers have a natural advantage as this study proves. However, the Law still applies to you no matter how long your arms are. Both your bowling and non bowling arms are important levers. This means keeping your arms fully extended as you bowl. Most bowlers do this already with the bowling arm, but it's also vital to use the non bowling arm to drive out and down. This allows you to fully rotate your shoulders and move into the follow through: A giant cartwheel whipping through. As this study shows, shoulder rotation is directly linked to speed. It's all about using every inch of the levers you have.
I'd consider that tested!
Right... study on bowling anthropometric measures, but can you highlight standing tall as a measure? so I would say UNTESTED. I see no mention of "standing tall" or "release height"
Yes a tall bowler has longer arms therefore uses a longer lever which means they can bowl quicker for less work done.
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Thanks for the advice guys, most concerned about the comments on the timing and me not standing up straight enough! Shall be working on these things and I'll upload a new video when some progress has been made! 8)
Don't worry about having a 'mixed' action. We need all the variety possible in our game! Besides Bob Woolmer says it aint' no thing to have a mixed action in his big book of cricket which for me is the difinitive big book of cricket. All the batting break downs are done with Kallis modelling, with Donald and Rhodes demonstrating their own strongest suits. It's about £30 but i'm sure someone at your uni will already have one to reference.
Unless we are reading completely different huge books written by Bob Woolmer, I'm pretty sure he said that mixed actions must be coached out ruthlessly! :-[
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agree there chad, think Fez meant neutral action not mixed- which Woolmer does talk about.