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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: 123* on March 17, 2013, 01:50:02 PM
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Hi guy's tried to work on your suggestions this week! Any better? Cheers!
003 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xhlzjp4_0M#ws)
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Much improved mate compared to your first video, however I think you had a better hit last week!
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try to make the toe of the bat point where the ball should end up rather than it coming straight back in front of you which gives the appearance of you coming round the ball.
ie an off drive should end with the toe of the bat facing mid off and not coming round to face the bowler.
The bottom hand still looks a bit off, should be like this ...
http://www.cricketcoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/correct_grip.jpg (http://www.cricketcoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/correct_grip.jpg)
http://www.cricketstrokes.com/documents/grip/player.html (http://www.cricketstrokes.com/documents/grip/player.html)
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Now I'm not expert, but just watching the first few shots, everything seems a bit stiff and rigid when you play the shots, like your arms and wrists. I dont know what difference this makes, but its just an observation of mine
Like there's no realm follow through, its all quite punchy. and your front leg seems to just plant straight down the wicket, rather than out and across to the pitch of the wider ball that you drive
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Strangling with the bottom hand, need to loosen it off a good bit. Bat should just rest in the fingertips of your bottom hand.
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Thought I'd take a look at your video as you'd helped out with mine. I don't know if its just the angle but your stance looks quite open as opposed to straight on. It kind of looks to me like you're playing inside out on some of the drives and I'm wondering if that could be caused by you compensating as you'e stance isn't square on to begin with.
Does anyone with any coaching experience think that makes sense or am I talking complete rubbish? If its crap then please ignore me.
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Thanks guy's much appreciated! Bloody sick of this bottom hand! Ruining me!
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Thought I'd take a look at your video as you'd helped out with mine. I don't know if its just the angle but your stance looks quite open as opposed to straight on. It kind of looks to me like you're playing inside out on some of the drives and I'm wondering if that could be caused by you compensating as you'e stance isn't square on to begin with.
Does anyone with any coaching experience think that makes sense or am I talking complete rubbish? If its crap then please ignore me.
Nothing wrong with an open stance. I think its fine :)
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Nothing wrong with an open stance. I think its fine :)
Cheers, I wasn't sure if what I'd said made sense or not. In my cow corner obsessed head it did.
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Thanks guy's much appreciated! Bloody sick of this bottom hand! Ruining me!
PING PONG BALL!!!!!!
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try using half a grip and old one will do fine for the bottom hand it makes the hand feel fuller and less wanting to grip tighter
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Let it come to you. It looks as though it's a small timing issue to me which is then affecting how your bat comes through as GarettJ said. Playing it early as you do also affects your balance which you can see as you take a couple of steps after some shots. Ideally play the shot and hold the pose...
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all i will say is lazy elbow on top hand ie elbow tucked in wasit that then pushes bottom hand out then bring bat from 1st slip ish as with frist few shots the should be hit back down the ground ;) this also makes bottom hand take over
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any week 3 video yet??
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What? People are actually interested in this?! I am amazed!!!!! Will upload ASAP!
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005 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpSSYFZnhj8#)
Week 3, left arm over, 67mph, 1 inswing, still coming round the ball on shots, just can't get rid of it!
If your interested here's what I looked like 6 month ago...
Batting in the nets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NgFHD5hEmk#ws)
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Is there a ping pong ball in there yet? ;)
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Still don't see a ping pong ball in those gloves ;)
There is definitely a ping pong ball in mate he even gave me one to try and the trick definately works suprisingley :D
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I can see it now actually :) and what do you mean surprisingly? :o
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I can see it now actually :) and what do you mean surprisingly? :o
I didnt think a ping pong ball would fit in a glove never mind aid the bottom hand haha! Great little trick really mate! :D
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Would a squash ball be a bit easier/more comfortable to use?
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Would a squash ball be a bit easier/more comfortable to use?
Its acctually comfortable with a ping pong ball mate... you forget its there :p
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The bolwing machine setup for left arm over seems a bid wide at the bowlers end to me? left arm over are usually pretty tight to the stumps. the thing i would say is to look at the movement of your head before you play the shot you still look a bit too crouched to me. get yours eyes up and level and then dont move them till you strike the ball..... you seem to bob a little before you play the drive especially
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You're probably right Buzz actually, maybe a squash ball might be more comfortable!
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i had a quick look at your first video and this one, i think you should congratulate yourself on the improvement you have made over the six months.
This video with a left arm over would bring out most of the technical errors in all of us, they are a bit tricky to play. Ideally you would be straight and on driving everything with a leg glance or flick to anything over pitched near leg stump.
forget the coming round the ball for now there is something else i noticed and it is a very minor point to rectify but will stop a problem that a lot of batsmen have to left armers. If you look at a few of your shots you take a little step wiht your back foot forward after you have hit the ball, this is a sign that your balance is a bit off. It doesnt happen on your very first 2 shots becuase your back foot is technically correct. What oyu should do is hvae a relaxed back foot, ie it isnt planted flat on the fllor and the toe pointing to point when you hit the ball. Both feet should be pointing up the pitch. This will stop the the little walk forward.
when facing left armers, which i love, i point both feet in the direction of cover when opening up my stance and everything is hit straight. There is one shot you are very disappointed about in the first minute or so, it was a cover drive which went in the air and it is an easy mistake to make. Try to hit the non striking batsmen with these shots because if you are going through cover you have to be using an open blade on impact so unless you get it 100% right it is going airbourne, not a problem if you throw everything at it and the field is up.
Overall i think you are being a bit harsh on yourself about coming round the ball, you dont get runs for looking technically perfect!!! You are hitting a lot of scoring shots along the ground and it is safe to go aerial over the bowler which you are doing, so you can be very confident of getting some runs this season.
Just remember its going to be a little soft for the first few months so it wont be coming on like these indoor nets. ..... be careful driving especially cover driving.
ps shave your head and you will look like matt prior!
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i had a quick look at your first video and this one, i think you should congratulate yourself on the improvement you have made over the six months.
This video with a left arm over would bring out most of the technical errors in all of us, they are a bit tricky to play. Ideally you would be straight and on driving everything with a leg glance or flick to anything over pitched near leg stump.
forget the coming round the ball for now there is something else i noticed and it is a very minor point to rectify but will stop a problem that a lot of batsmen have to left armers. If you look at a few of your shots you take a little step wiht your back foot forward after you have hit the ball, this is a sign that your balance is a bit off. It doesnt happen on your very first 2 shots becuase your back foot is technically correct. What oyu should do is hvae a relaxed back foot, ie it isnt planted flat on the fllor and the toe pointing to point when you hit the ball. Both feet should be pointing up the pitch. This will stop the the little walk forward.
when facing left armers, which i love, i point both feet in the direction of cover when opening up my stance and everything is hit straight. There is one shot you are very disappointed about in the first minute or so, it was a cover drive which went in the air and it is an easy mistake to make. Try to hit the non striking batsmen with these shots because if you are going through cover you have to be using an open blade on impact so unless you get it 100% right it is going airbourne, not a problem if you throw everything at it and the field is up.
Overall i think you are being a bit harsh on yourself about coming round the ball, you dont get runs for looking technically perfect!!! You are hitting a lot of scoring shots along the ground and it is safe to go aerial over the bowler which you are doing, so you can be very confident of getting some runs this season.
Just remember its going to be a little soft for the first few months so it wont be coming on like these indoor nets. ..... be careful driving especially cover driving.
ps shave your head and you will look like matt prior!
Thank's mate, it's been mostly down to you and your help you've given me over the last 6 month, feel like I've improved massively technically wise thanks to you! And I know I kept telling myself when batting to hit the machine but just struggled with it! Need to stay more balanced as you say, right hand side came through to much instead of staying side on, how to learn how to try and play the hook shot, should be fun!
Also Matt Prior haha! That is a new one!
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Hi - I think you are looking good.
On the feet pointing down the pitch thing this is the one area I don't agree with GarrettJ, this isn't right and is causing you to lose your balance as it makes you twist your hips. you might want to think about trying to change this slightly. When you play your better balanced shots your front foot is pointing at mid off which is fine (see 6.23 for an example)
See Jaques Kallis here:
http://static.ecb.co.uk/images/width325/kallis-1347611.jpg (http://static.ecb.co.uk/images/width325/kallis-1347611.jpg)
Ian Bell
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Ramps
http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/DB/072001/027932.jpg (http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/DB/072001/027932.jpg)
for Lefties, here is Sangakarra
http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/1.917067 (http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/1.917067)!/image/2426028934.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_475/2426028934.jpg
Your front foot should be poininting to extra cover and your back foot to point, that will keep your hips in the right place and help you retain your balance better and stop the "walk" through the shot. IT is really hard to stay balanced with both feet pointing foward through a shot.
As GarrettJ says many many people on here go for a walk as they play the shot, you really need to stand still through the shot.
Having said that you are more upright now and stiller, a sign of more confidence, you stance and grip are good and your range of shots looks decent.
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no problem, if i make it bakc up to the North East i'll pop in for a net one day
when i say feet point straight down i mean for the on drive only, the offside ones you have to lift your back heel
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The hook shot is easy to learn but requires a bit of bravery. Agian i might be a bit controversial here and say you need to have both feet pointing back at the bowler and never stay side on.
Tennis ball, tennis racket, get someone to hit them at you around your chin after you have started with someone kneeling down and flciking a ball up to your chin off where the ball would pitch.
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Week 4 if anyone's interested! This was a very, very defensive net!
004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkHKWR94SXQ#)
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video isnt working fella
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It is for me
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im all bottom hand :( what is this ping pong ball u speak of?
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looking good. It takes a huge amount of self control to bat defensively like that for a whole bowling machine session.
Nice work
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I find a session like that can be a great help. Just letting the ball hit your bat and getting a feel for the ball on the middle of the bat. Will normally spend the first 10 balls of a net doing that. Unless I get a juicy half volley!
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Great work, what an improvement in just a few weeks. Some great advice from the people here in helping but at the end of the day it is down to your hard work so it just goes to show what you can do with dedication and good advice.
Your back lift is so much more controlled and you are much more side on which is allowing you to play with a nice high front elbow.
Keep up the good work you have put in so far, looking forward to see the improved defence with some more attacking shots in the near future.
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Mate you're looking miles better.
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Thanks a lot for all the help! Its much appreciated! Just can't wait for the season to start now! Hopefully crash some runs!
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Thanks a lot for all the help! Its much appreciated! Just can't wait for the season to start now! Hopefully crash some runs!
Definitely a few hundreds with that new Crown it sounded lovely mate!
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123* ...........
thats some proper batting there. Bat like that for the forst 5 to 10 overs of your innings and accumulate the 1's and 2's and then you will be able to set oyurself for a big score;.
As always i like to find something people can improve on. I think you and toenails have been sharing notes on the wrist position when you pick up the bat.
What you are doing is rolling the wrist rather than cocking it. TO test if you put the palm of your hand and wrist flat on a table and lift your fingers up to the sky this is what you are doing. In fact you should be putting your hand and forearm on the table and moving your left thumb towards the right, this is cocking your wrist. If you clench your fist (especially little fingers) you will see your hand move towards the right. This is the correct position.
To do it with the bat try to keep the grip of your last two fingers and palm always tight on the bat and dont roll your wrist.
Im also cnovinced that the top hand isnt right but that might be this wrist rolling thing.
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Thanks for the comments guy's! And GarrettJ I understand what you mean, sorry I didn't see your comment otherwise I could have tried it today! I take it this is forcing my hands away from my body? Here's a video of today!
005 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA4sKo-kW6E#ws)
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Not going to comment on your pull shot, cos with this weather you'll never play that shot all season ;) One thing to say mate, and you can take this or leave it because you're getting a helluva lot of advice and I don't want to step on any-one's toes. You're stance looks much better, although perhaps still a little uncomfortable? The problem with opening your stance up is that you lose track of your off stump. Your hands need to be over off stump so that you know where your off stump is. Huge improvement from week 1, hope I haven't confused you with my advice.
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Not going to comment on your pull shot, cos with this weather you'll never play that shot all season ;) One thing to say mate, and you can take this or leave it because you're getting a helluva lot of advice and I don't want to step on any-one's toes. You're stance looks much better, although perhaps still a little uncomfortable? The problem with opening your stance up is that you lose track of your off stump. Your hands need to be over off stump so that you know where your off stump is. Huge improvement from week 1, hope I haven't confused you with my advice.
Haha I take it you don't want to dissect my pull shot as it isn't exactly brilliant! I appreciate your comments however I am unsure what you mean to opening up my stance? As it appears to me that my stance is very closed?
Cheers!
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You start open and then close up which I think makes you look more uncomfortable
Edit: Actually you look like you're feet are open and you're top half is closed. I would go one or the other! Get those hips and shoulders in line!
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basically he means that your front foot is more to the legside than your backfoot when looking straight on but your top half hasnt moved. IT would mean that you are twisting your top half but that foot position isnt really an open stance just some weird variation.
If you are going to open it, point your back foot and front foot slightly forward of point.
It looks like ou have changed your grip on this video??? There isnt the rolling back of the wrist which is good.
One tip for the pull shot, try to turn your back foot up towards the bowler. The more the better but you wont have that much time if it is rapid pace. If you stance as suggested above you will already be on the way to this position. try to bring your hands from high to low to get over it.
You are hitting it with your arms fully stretched which is great.
if you were not a cricketer and i asked you to hit a ball over to your left chances are you would stand chest on and just hammer it like a baseball shot and it would be very easy to connect
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-u02s6FNoyyA/Te5gz-IuopI/AAAAAAAAAic/Qzs5sRtieVQ/s1600/Katich%2Bpull%2Bshot.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-u02s6FNoyyA/Te5gz-IuopI/AAAAAAAAAic/Qzs5sRtieVQ/s1600/Katich%2Bpull%2Bshot.jpg)
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we have had the conversation about the back foot before, the back foot swivels through the shot with your back thigh to give you power, hence your back foot goes across pointing to point first.
that is how golfers and baseball players get maximum power so there must be some sense to it.
even in an open stance I would encourage the back foot to start towards point.
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Edit: Actually you look like you're feet are open and you're top half is closed. I would go one or the other! Get those hips and shoulders in line!
Nick told me I did this and I've since got the hips and shoulders in line and it's made a hell of a difference. Not only do I feel I'm pick up line/length quicker BUT suddenly cover has become a easy shot to play both back and front foot. Defo give the shoulders/hips in line a go.
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we have had the conversation about the back foot before, the back foot swivels through the shot with your back thigh to give you power, hence your back foot goes across pointing to point first.
that is how golfers and baseball players get maximum power so there must be some sense to it.
even in an open stance I would encourage the back foot to start towards point.
One of the reasons why I love cricket is because of the differing views on how to play .. Cricket is an art form there is no one correct way. Try different approaches and go with what works best for you.
I'm a bit more controversial in my batting views, Buzz is a little more of a traditionalist I think.
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maybe I am a traditionalist, I am with most things.
but I do love seeing different ways of playing and it is vital to keep challenging your methods otherwise you can't improve.
with the pull shot here my main comment is it feels a little unnatural, as Garrettj says you don't just smash it!
that will come with practice and being in a match situation.
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Thanks for taking the time to look at my video's guy's, much appreciated! The pull/hook shot is something I've never been comfortable playing and to be honest looking back I don't seem to play it as bad as I thought, main thing I can see is I am never in a set/solid position which is obviously never a good thing! With regards to my mixed stance, I guess that's just one of the problems with having no markings on the floor? I can't actually tell where my front foot is due to the flooring but will have a look at fixing this! Thanks for the help, much appreciated!
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The pull shot is a shot I had real problems with. As an opener I used to get peppered and being a bit crazy I would go after everything no matter if I was in a good position or not.
These days for me it's no shot unless I am in a good position to play the ball, there is no harm in leaving it. If you just sway out of the way the bowler will soon realise he isn't going to get you out going after one.
My issues were with getting cramped up, I would not get my arms at full length and would lean back a little. I found turning my backfoot inwards made it a lot easier for me to keep my head foraward and be able to free my arms. I'm 35 now so not as quick as I use to be, this open position means I get leave it better of just take one in the ribs!!
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I tend to whip it off my hip unless it gets to big and sway.
If I go looking for it I tend to play off my front foot the pull.
Agree it about positioning use chalk set positions that are correct ref feet and see how close you get to them.
Confidence is key to the shot
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Another quick vid!
003 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSKCveYhUxM#)
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123* ... well done
That was a great net, one shot at the start was a bit off but that was it in the whole net, no coming across the ball when driving.
the shot on 6mins 20 secs shows how far you have come along in a short space of time, its a nice off drive. There is a nice one on 1min 08 secs to.
Areas that you could improve:
there is a slight balance issue, after some shots you have to take a step forward. I think this is because your stride isnt big enough.
the stance looks a bit strange in the feet but if it is comfy stick with it.
have you change your top hand grip???
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Nice and still at the crease. Good stuff.
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123* ... well done
That was a great net, one shot at the start was a bit off but that was it in the whole net, no coming across the ball when driving.
the shot on 6mins 20 secs shows how far you have come along in a short space of time, its a nice off drive. There is a nice one on 1min 08 secs to.
Areas that you could improve:
there is a slight balance issue, after some shots you have to take a step forward. I think this is because your stride isnt big enough.
the stance looks a bit strange in the feet but if it is comfy stick with it.
have you change your top hand grip???
Thanks Garrett, really appreciate taking the time to have a look!
Agree about my balance issue, moving a lot more after I've hit the ball, I agree with you, most of the time my stride is small and not much further than the crease, will look to work on that!
Regarding my feet, something completely not deliberate! Just can't tell if my feet are lined up as there's no markings, going to take some tape next week to see where I'm at.
And haven't consciously changed my grip? Does it look this way?
Cheers again!