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Forum News and Suggestions => Custom Bats Blog => Topic started by: The 22nd Yard on April 10, 2013, 03:49:38 PM
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A look at Kieswetter's fall and the possible future of his career and position in the England team...
http://wp.me/p380Xy-81 (http://wp.me/p380Xy-81)
Do you agree with the title statement? Should Buttler be a serious contender for the job despite not being the No.1 keeper at his county?
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Link doesn't work!
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Link doesn't work!
Does for me
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Yep me too now! Al; a bit meh again without actually saying much!
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Yep me too now! Al; a bit meh again without actually saying much!
It does read fairly lackluster! One of those that seemed like a good idea and sounded alright in my head but didn't really go down on e-paper very well sadly.
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I saw Chris Read practiceing behind the stumps at Trent Bridge yesterday.......he looked very, very good for an old boy, who by ODI standards is supposed to be passed it!
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Wouldn't really class Tresco, Solanki or Colly as keepers either. They just stood in when needed.
Give the job to Butler. We all know that Foster/Read are far superiour glovemen but those days have gone. Pick one player and stick with him if you are going to ignore Prior.
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I agree give someone a real go at cementing a place. It seems a position that players don't get a real chance.
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For one day cricket Buttler is probably the right man for the job - England want him in the side for his ability with the bat in the closing overs and there really isn;t a pure batting spot available with Cook, Bell, Trott, KP, Morgan and Root already competing for five spots. His keeping is not great but he'll improve...
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buttler or bairstow
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If you want your blog to develop into something that people not on the forum will actually read it would be advisable to do abit more research before a new blog post. Not only did you miss out the 'e' in Steven Davies' name but you also stated that Solanki was still at Worcestershire. Also you have a link which says "Have your say on the Forum, click here!" and yet because you don't really make a point, nobody can really have their say. Your blog post was very descriptive and didn't really include much analysis or a judgement.
I don't mean to offend you with any of these comments, you had the basis for a good blog post but missed out the nitty gritty that would have made it good.
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On the nitty gritty and because you've previously asked for advice, here is a thought.
Instead of a fairly banal piece on Kieswetter's chances of an immediate recall, why not look at some of the other issues thrown up by this situation. For example, the club vs country debate? Should Somerset give Buttler the gloves and bat Kieswetter at five or six, as that is what England would clearly prefer, or should they pick their own side and to hell with England? You could expand this to take in similar debates in other sports (Rugby and Soccer), the perceived issues with players kept away from their counties but not used by England etc...
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For one day cricket Buttler is probably the right man for the job - England want him in the side for his ability with the bat in the closing overs and there really isn;t a pure batting spot available with Cook, Bell, Trott, KP, Morgan and Root already competing for five spots. His keeping is not great but he'll improve...
This is a valid point that England have such a solid batting unit why not go for a proper out and out keeper? James Foster has for probably a decade been the best keeper in England and you could argue that he is one of the best out and out keepers in world cricket. I honestly also think his batting is good enough to bat at 7 in a one day line up. He makes things happen and his ability standing up to the stumps is second to none. It will never happen but I for one think it should happen if your not going to pick prior.
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Should Somerset give Buttler the gloves and bat Kieswetter at five or six
He's been batting at 3 in the 4 day game - I wonder if that's a long term thing?
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This is a valid point that England have such a solid batting unit why not go for a proper out and out keeper? James Foster has for probably a decade been the best keeper in England and you could argue that he is one of the best out and out keepers in world cricket. I honestly also think his batting is good enough to bat at 7 in a one day line up. He makes things happen and his ability standing up to the stumps is second to none. It will never happen but I for one think it should happen if your not going to pick prior.
Well, you'd have to pick said keeper to bat at six really, given that none of the likely picks as bowlers would be batting there (Bresnan, Woakes, Broad and Swann are all decent but not quite that decent, and I suspect that the two possible all round options, Wright and Patel are not first picks).
As for Foster, I agree that he has been somewhat unlucky in his career; he could have played (further) Test cricket when Tim Ambrose came into the side but missed out, as he did to Paul Nixon in the one day stuff. But it would be a backwards step now.
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Craig Kieswetter's looking resplendent in Millichamp and Hall this year. Does that earn him a recall?
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His gear may look good but honestly I don't think he is good enough. As a 'pinch-hitter' he was ok, but doesn't cut it for me as a number 6 as it isn't his natural game, ticking the board over.
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the thing is, where many players who come into international cricket, have some initial success then get found out a bit come back stronger having developed their game and, to pinch a cliche, used the feedback as a positiive, Bedwetter has stayed precisely the same player - he ALWAYS stays leg side and looks to score in big shots regardless.
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the thing is, where many players who come into international cricket, have some initial success then get found out a bit come back stronger having developed their game and, to pinch a cliche, used the feedback as a positiive, Bedwetter has stayed precisely the same player - he ALWAYS stays leg side and looks to score in big shots regardless.
Totally agree, all the best players can adapt and unfortunately I don't think he can?
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Totally agree, all the best players can adapt and unfortunately I don't think he can?
The way I look at it is this - there are a number of professional cricketers who get to the level within domestic first class cricket that they are "performing" - that is to say, they are making a reasonable/above average weight of runs or taking significant numbers of wickets - and there becomes the suggestion that they might conceiveably be good enough for international cricket. Some are sifted out by A Tours, for those countries that have them, others may be the victims of selectorial incompetence/prejudice. The rest eventually get their chance:
A few, the Tendulkars, Warnes, Laras and Pontings of this world are there from day one and never really slip from their perch, always seeming able to keep ahead of attempts to flummox them.
A number fail early doors and slip away as one cap wonders or after thoughts, deservedly or otherwise.
But for most, the step up evidences both their strengths and their weaknesses - be that through the "technical" Kieswetter model of early stunning performances followed by bowlers working out that he couldn't really get in line with the ball to work it around the ground, the "tempramental" one that saw Matt Prior take a break from the England side or the "physical" one that causes James Pattinson, Pat Cummins and Co to miss more tests than they are ever available for. It is at this point that the men are sorted from the boys.
An example of "the men" for you - when Hashim Amla first came into international cricket, it was on the back of some quite significant run scoring feats in South African domestic cricket. He played, if I recall correctly, three tests around the end of 2004 and was quickly evidenced to be vulnerable to his desire to play everything through leg, so he was taken out of the firing line. Two years later he returned with an off side game, improved power and, as can be seen a few years later, the ability to play to a world class level.
This is not to say that Kieswetter is the next Amla or anything like that. It merely evidences how he should have looked at his weaknesses, thought about whether a trigger to help him get in line (when necessary) would help him and worked diligently to develop ways of working the ball around the field between what sometimes resemble wild hacks. That he has not been able to do this, for me, means that he is unable to do it. Game over...
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Sorry, bit of an essay there, feel free to ignore!
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I quite like the essay.
The question is does he have the brain capacity to recognise that he needs to change and to make the changes. Or will he just go "this is how I play".. in which case his career with England is pretty much over.
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The question is does he have the brain capacity to recognise that he needs to change and to make the changes. Or will he just go "this is how I play".. in which case his career with England is pretty much over.
I honestly don't know - one would have thought that it would have been made pretty clear to him by now because, quite aside from the specialist coaching that he would get from the England set up and the very decent coaching team at Somerset, he will surely have noticed that the print and visual media are constantly highlighting the same issues in his game. To me that suggests that he just is not capable of making the changes necessary.
Or. And please accept that this is me thinking outside of the box here. There are distinct similarities in his game (as he plays it in first class cricket rather than the biff bash stuff) with the game of one Matt Prior, who also favours the off side and back foot leg side shots, scores quickly in a counter attacking vein etc. Could it be that Kieswetter is making a calculated gamble that he sticks with his game plan hoping to be a like-for-like replacement for Prior rather than risking an overhaul that may not work and ending up nowhere?
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I quite like the essay.
The question is does he have the brain capacity to recognise that he needs to change and to make the changes. Or will he just go "this is how I play".. in which case his career with England is pretty much over.
Surely as a professional he'd have worked out he needs to work more on his all-round batting?