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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: pablomarmite on May 24, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
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After some poor batting in nets (the Yorker problem) and 5 runs in 3 innings I have been dropped to 2s. I am an opener and have been batting at 7 and 8 and not bowling. So I have kind of welcomed it. I will be opening tomorrow and bowling there will be an expectation that I score runs to back up my belief I should be opening for 1s and bowl out the team! How have other players reacted in this situation? Have you responded positively and earned you place back? or has it shot your confidence? I am worried that even if I do well the runs and wickets won't be valued as they are in 2s. The team we are playing their 1sts have no game so they will be strengthened too.
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It's worth reading the "play at the highest level possible or for fun" thread. 5 runs in 3 knocks sounds like a dropping offence, but it happens. Batting 7/8 when you are an opener doesn't sound like the ideal situation for you and perhaps you were unlucky with that in mind. Welcome the chance to open and start fresh tomorrow. Unless you get a huge number of runs, I wouldn't worry about playing 1s until you are happy with your game and they give you a proper run up the order.
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the important thing is that you do your best, score runs and take wickets.
treat the bowling with respect and enjoy some time at the crease.
don't think about the first team, just enjoy the moment.
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Give 110% for whichever team your in..... Prove your point.
I too am between both teams from 6-7 in first team to 1 in the second team.
I am more a second team player and consider myself as such. However are Sir Alex would say no player is bigger than the club.
Good look in the seconds and let us know how you get on!
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Thanks guys will def give an update looking good weather wise so we will be on. Looking forward to the opportunity to have a role as have felt like a specialist fielder the first couple of weeks. Feel I am good enough for 1s but would rather play 2s as a opener than 1s as fielder. Our 2nds don't have as many games and play less overs so would prefer to being in 1s for that reason but in on merit. Hope to use this opportunity to find form. Have read the high level or fun thread and it is a very interesting. I seem to find the clubs I'm at my ability falls in between the level the two sides play at, but we shall see if that is the case after tomorrow! Good luck to everyone this weekend.
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The important thing is to approach it like any other game - the minute you think you have to - absolutely have to - make a ton or take six wickets, your game goes to pieces. Instead, think of it as a day playing cricket, do the same planning you always would, get warm before you bowl and make sure to have some throw downs. Go through your normal routine. You might get a score, you might not, but back yourself to do it sooner or later and be back where you want to be.
On which note - have you spoken to the ones skipper. Ask what he sees your role in the team as, and, if told that eh wants a seven bat to ride the bounadry, ask (respetfully) whether he would be happy to play in those circumstances...
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The important thing is to approach it like any other game - the minute you think you have to - absolutely have to - make a ton or take six wickets, your game goes to pieces. Instead, think of it as a day playing cricket, do the same planning you always would, get warm before you bowl and make sure to have some throw downs. Go through your normal routine. You might get a score, you might not, but back yourself to do it sooner or later and be back where you want to be.
On which note - have you spoken to the ones skipper. Ask what he sees your role in the team as, and, if told that eh wants a seven bat to ride the bounadry, ask (respetfully) whether he would be happy to play in those circumstances...
Well said Manormanic especially the century and 5 for thought. Very true.
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I joined my new club this year and fully expected to be in the firsts. Two other new openers joined who had played minor counties and ECB Prem cricket so as I'd not I got put in the seconds for the opening game. Opened and went out and scored a 105* off 109 balls batting sensibly. I won't lie, the bowling was good in patches but there was enough 'crap' to feed off but after that I was up in the firsts for the second game. Followed that up with a 51* (game abandoned) and now hopefully I've earnt myself a few more games to try and score some more runs.
Yes I want to play in the firsts BUT at the end of the day I want to bat. If that means in the seconds then fine. If that's the firsts, then even better. Just enjoy your batting/bowling and then you'll naturally find your level if that's what you are chasing.
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Is Nally still kicking around hathersley
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Is Nally still kicking around hathersley
I have no idea mate tbh, new to the club so don't know him. I have heard is name before mentioned in the same breath as 4th's so I assume he is playing or will play there. I assume you know him then? You play for a club local to Hatherley? It'd be nice to play someone from the forum for a bit of fun :)
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Mark Nally played at hathersley when they where a division below the wepl not the Gloucester division either
I believe he played Gloucestershire 2nd a very good opening batsman and I suspect if he still plays there he would be opening in the 1st mate
I think he holds the club records as a batsman a very fine player
http://hatherleyreddings.play-cricket.com/profile/statistics.asp?id=216087 (http://hatherleyreddings.play-cricket.com/profile/statistics.asp?id=216087)
No mate I not around that area mate anymore good ground and good club from what I remember
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Mark Nally played at hathersley when they where a division below the wepl not the Gloucester division either
I believe he played Gloucestershire 2nd a very good opening batsman and I suspect if he still plays there he would be opening in the 1st mate
I think he holds the club records as a batsman a very fine player
found his records.. He defo scored some runs !! :)
I've asked one of the lads and they said he has been ill and moved away. Last games were played in 2012 for the club.
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On which note - have you spoken to the ones skipper. Ask what he sees your role in the team as, and, if told that eh wants a seven bat to ride the bounadry, ask (respetfully) whether he would be happy to play in those circumstances...
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Was disappointed not to open first game I expected to open. Batted 7 after a collapse had things gone well I would prob been 9. I think I bowl useful spin as well which we don't have a lot of either. We have a few mouthy players who shout a lot and he has said he hopes I don't think I'm not getting my chance because I'm not complaining. One opener slot is the pros so leaves one. I bat in a similar way so capt and vice worried we will be too slow together. No-one has nailed the other place the current opener is hanging on by his nails. Had capt told me before 1st game that I would not be opening and batting in bottom 3 I would have told him to pick someone else. I am not a big hitter and so coming in late on is a waste of my time and the teams. Looking forward to the game and agree about not thinking about tons and Michelle's but we wouldnt play the game if we didn't dream!
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I think you should approach the game with a very open mentality.
Your form suggests you are struggling and a drop may benefit you in the long run.
You will now have the opportunity to prove your ability. Everyone is deserving of their place in a team, so go out and earn your place back .
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Well I'm def out of form. I scratched about then followed a wide one out to a diving one handed catch by keeper for 13. He didn't catch a thing after that. My feet were like lead could not move them. We only had 9 men and no keeper and managed to get to 151 in 35 over game. I kept and took stumping in 2nd over and then got my chance to bowl later, where I was dispatched for a few agricultural shots off relatively good balls. Got the final man out for us to win by 30 runs so great win but I won't be any where near 1s for a while they got 250 2day and also won.
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Hi guys no 2s game at the weekend but 1s had sat and sun game. Got the call late sat night to help out sun. Opposition batted 1st got 250 I didn't get a bowl. Then I was due to bat 10. We lost 3 early wickets and then I was promoted to 6 try to protect the other batsmen! from the opening bowlers. If no more wickets fell before 20 overs I was to drop down again. So at 50-4 after 17 overs in I went. I was out in the 35 over for 36 with the score at 150. Felt batted well wicket was popping although I went back o one that kept low. They want me 2 play 1s next week but have been non committal about my role. It appears there is no chance of a bowl and that my batting position depends on how well everyone else does on the day. If they bat well I don't get in if they lose lots of wkts in I go. Would rather play for 2s but don't want to be awkward and sound like I am dictating my position.
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This is a really tricky situation; on the one hand, I am a firm believer that you play for the club, not for a particular side or with your mates/where you get to be the star all rounder/ where the teas are better - at my club we have a real issue with players not wanting to step up from twos to ones and threes to twos, and I get so sick of it (I got called up to the ones last week despite a) being twos skipper and b) being crocked and said "thanks, see you Saturday" because its the right thing to do).
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There has to be some common sense involved. I wasn't asked to do that to field, I was asked because they desperately needed a three bat. That is to say, a role within the side. Number ten bat and specialist fielder is not a role and, whilst that may be a fair reflection of how they rate you (sorry) its not a role I would ask someone to perform without having first 1. made sure they understood and were okay with it and b) having considered whether there was more value in that player bolstering a lower side and getting someone else to run the boundary.
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This is a really tricky situation; on the one hand, I am a firm believer that you play for the club, not for a particular side or with your mates/where you get to be the star all rounder/ where the teas are better - at my club we have a real issue with players not wanting to step up from twos to ones and threes to twos, and I get so sick of it (I got called up to the ones last week despite a) being twos skipper and b) being crocked and said "thanks, see you Saturday" because its the right thing to do).
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There has to be some common sense involved. I wasn't asked to do that to field, I was asked because they desperately needed a three bat. That is to say, a role within the side. Number ten bat and specialist fielder is not a role and, whilst that may be a fair reflection of how they rate you (sorry) its not a role I would ask someone to perform without having first 1. made sure they understood and were okay with it and b) having considered whether there was more value in that player bolstering a lower side and getting someone else to run the boundary.
Thanks mate you have hit the nail on the head. I am a club player and therefore wish to put the club first. There was no 2s game and they were a player short and therefore I played. I thought I would be specialist fielding again as I hadn't played well for 2s week before so was prepared for it. Your right in saying I'm not rated by some unfortunately they have the ear of the captain. I only rejoined at end of last season having lived away on the other side of the country so I haven't recent performances in their eyes to fall back on so they feel I have to prove myself, whereas they appear to be able to fail without consequences. I had a long text conversation with skipper last night about my role at the club. I'm 30+ with a young family so I don't think is fair to expect me to play as a fielder. If and when I am ready to open and or be actually given a bowl then I would love to play firsts. It was interesting that when we were warming up I was told not to waste my time bowling as I wouldn't be bowling and that if I wanted to bat higher I needed to prove to this guy I was good enough. These guys are not the capt but have a big influence. However two new players who actually come to nets and watch me bat and bowl asked me why I wasn't bowling and were shocked I was batting 10 as they played against us in sept and I opened 17 no chasing 60 and bowled 1 over a maiden. I don't think I'm a cook swann hybrid I just want a fair go like everyone else and I am more than happy to play 2s if I'm not good enough and help bring through some youngsters.
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It's a fine line between getting on your high horse and being a pain in the (No Swearing Please) and doing what is right for the club. At the moment it seems they are picking and choosing when to use you and when not. I would talk to them and say happy to play 1s, as long as I can get in the game ie. top 6 in some shape or form, ideally knowing beforehand what they want you to do. If they want you to do a specific job then fine but if they are pretty non committal, just point out you pay to play and enjoy it. You also stepped in at the last minute the previous week so you have helped them out and it's not too much to ask. It's not fair to be used as a "filler" with little chance of being involved.
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First off let me say I sympathize. You obviously want an opportunity and to do well.
From a first team perspective it's tough. I'm guessing that most of the top six have a decent pedigree and have scored decent runs when the pressure has been on. It's obviously tough competing with that.
In our club the firsts are in the ecb premier and the twos are in div 5. The difference is huge. Facing a premier opening bowler is going to be a challenge. The captain will want to know you have the right stuff as he wants the innings to get off to a good start.
I think that what tends to happen is captains go for what they know and back the players that have 'done it before' for them. Breaking in is difficult because of the difference in standards. Key is to really cash in when you do get chance. Show some grit, don't give your wicket away, bit most important is to score runs. If you're good enough you'll be racking them.up in the twos...
Good luck, practice in the ones net and show them how good you are!
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First off let me say I sympathize. You obviously want an opportunity and to do well.
From a first team perspective it's tough. I'm guessing that most of the top six have a decent pedigree and have scored decent runs when the pressure has been on. It's obviously tough competing with that.
In our club the firsts are in the ecb premier and the twos are in div 5. The difference is huge. Facing a premier opening bowler is going to be a challenge. The captain will want to know you have the right stuff as he wants the innings to get off to a good start.
I think that what tends to happen is captains go for what they know and back the players that have 'done it before' for them. Breaking in is difficult because of the difference in standards. Key is to really cash in when you do get chance. Show some grit, don't give your wicket away, bit most important is to score runs. If you're good enough you'll be racking them.up in the twos...
Good luck, practice in the ones net and show them how good you are!
The standard of 1s nowhere near Ecb premier league but a few canny operators but there is a bit of a gap between 1s and 2s. I played in the league years ago and the one above with this team in my late teens early 20s and normally batted 3/4/5. I have been away for 10 years and most of the players weren't there then. There are some great bats in top 5 definitely better than me but they give their wickets away a lot easier than I do. I feel we are a bit top loaded so when the fifth bowler actually appears all those great batters are out. If I'm down to bat 6 and we bat well, you wouldn't bring me in the 40th over as I don't hit a lot of boundaries so I would drop down and not get in. Batted well on Sunday my dad didn't realise it was me! Think I made a point had I not got a grubber would still be batting! Been texting me today about playing 1s but still non committal about role I said wait to later in week when he is clearer about availability and the make up of the side. I want to play 2s to get big runs I've worked out a few of my early season faults and my feet were moving on Sunday unlike last week so my confidence has returned what a difference a score makes.
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Looks like I'm opening and keeping wicket at the league leaders on Saturday for the 1s. I will tell you how we and I get on.
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Played 4 games. Second highest run scorer in the firsts yet been dropped :(
Not happy about it tbh given there are two other batsmen who just haven't score runs in the firsts or seconds this year (both are also new to the club), so tbh.. totally confused. I'm on 550 runs for the season so far already with in 14 games isn't too shabby. Got to be in the seconds now for at least this week but probably a few weeks so hopefully I'll open again and just aim to score big again like the only other seconds game I played in.
I agree that the club comes first but sometimes I really do think the people in charge of clubs need their heads testing. Spoke to 4 other first teamers and the pro and none of them can understand it so I'm confused.
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That is shocking and depending upon your contribution in the field etc, I would be having a polite word with the skipper!!
Gutted for you with 550 in 14!!!
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Played 4 games. Second highest run scorer in the firsts yet been dropped :(
Not happy about it tbh given there are two other batsmen who just haven't score runs in the firsts or seconds this year (both are also new to the club), so tbh.. totally confused. I'm on 550 runs for the season so far already with in 14 games isn't too shabby. Got to be in the seconds now for at least this week but probably a few weeks so hopefully I'll open again and just aim to score big again like the only other seconds game I played in.
I agree that the club comes first but sometimes I really do think the people in charge of clubs need their heads testing. Spoke to 4 other first teamers and the pro and none of them can understand it so I'm confused.
Does your face fit? Do you rub people up the wrong way?
In the minds of selection committees form is not always all they consider.
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Does your face fit? Do you rub people up the wrong way?
In the minds of selection committees form is not always all they consider.
No idea on face tbh, I've never had a problem in sport in my life about not fitting in so hopefully not. Rubbing up the wrong way I doubt as well as I'm one of the first to get asked about extra nets, helping with other people coaching wise and beers after games etc. The only thing I can think of is because I'm a 'bigger' chap. The other two are 'normal' and so run better between the wickets so look busier. I still outscore them on Strike rates though so I'd hope they'd look at that and not just go of 'what it looks like' but I suspect that's what has clinched it.
I'm not too unhappy as I'm more interested in just opening and getting a darn good bat and scoring runs but it's more the genuine reasons why.
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So you are excellent at cricket, a gifted coach and people want to have a beer with you?
You sound like a self-confident, fine, upstanding chap - THEY CAN'T HANDLE YOU - SOD 'EM!!
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So you are excellent at cricket, a gifted coach and people want to have a beer with you?
You sound like a self-confident, fine, upstanding chap - THEY CAN'T HANDLE YOU - SOD 'EM!!
yeah not really me but hey ho. We'll see what happens.
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550 in 14 games is very impressive mate, I feel for you.
But hey.. at least still you get to play for 2's , I just got dropped from 4's due to bad form so I don't have a game at all this week.
Good luck.
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550 in 14 games is very impressive mate, I feel for you.
But hey.. at least still you get to play for 2's , I just got dropped from 4's due to bad form so I don't have a game at all this week.
Good luck.
Ok you win. At least I have a game. Feel for you having none given the cracking weather and the fact wickets will be the best so far this season as well :)
Got another 20 today in a Civil Service game. Buggers opened with a leftie spinner who was actually good, wasn't fun. Hard track to bat on at Dunstable as well but I did my job and got out trying to push the score on to a diving running backwards catch :(... They dropped 3 others of other guys much easier... just my luck :)
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Right lads wasted my chance gloved one behind for 1. We were 3 for 3 chasing over 200. Got 160 in end. Kept ok took catch and stumping. Want me to keep again but I really hate it, I mean really hate it.
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I got 125* :)
So that's two 2's games and both times I've got a ton and not out... hahahahhahaha... See if they drop me again!!!!
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Another day with the 1s yesterday. Left the house at 11am got home at 9pm. Was due to bat 8 but dropped to 11 as innings progressed. Didn't bowl. Six bowlers used batted in the top seven. I hate to say never but it will be a long time before I play for the 1s again. Playing seconds today opening the batting and should get a bowl but we are playing on a mat not much turn on it for an offie but we'll see.
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Another day with the 1s yesterday. Left the house at 11am got home at 9pm. Was due to bat 8 but dropped to 11 as innings progressed. Didn't bowl. Six bowlers used batted in the top seven. I hate to say never but it will be a long time before I play for the 1s again. Playing seconds today opening the batting and should get a bowl but we are playing on a mat not much turn on it for an offie but we'll see.
I don't blame you, what a complete waste of time for yourself. Yes, clubs have to think about winning but at the end of the day if they only use a few players each week they'll lose players and then wonder why they struggle for numbers. Very very poor management and short sightedness.
Tell them to shove it and play 2nds/3rds, at least you get a game.
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Another day with the 1s yesterday. Left the house at 11am got home at 9pm. Was due to bat 8 but dropped to 11 as innings progressed. Didn't bowl. Six bowlers used batted in the top seven. I hate to say never but it will be a long time before I play for the 1s again. Playing seconds today opening the batting and should get a bowl but we are playing on a mat not much turn on it for an offie but we'll see.
You should give the 1's skipper a hairdryer for that.
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Hey guys great craic with 2s today if a bit wet. 30 over game opened batted through for 68 no scored 129 underpar but very wet so outfield very slow. They were all out for 51 in 10 overs! Ball doing loads but I would say that!!! 1s skipper down today made it very clear to him that I would not playing 1s again this year. If I thought I wasn't good enough fair enough but couple of bowlers yesterday not as good as me and the number 6 who batted don't even get me started he blocked out 3 maidens in the late 30 overs early 40s. But ah well will just enjoy cricket in 2s and hopefully get that ton this year.
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Played seconds today again we bowled first put them out for 114 i got 3-19 off 6 overs. I opened again batted through for 65 no. We won by 8 wkts. Finding my form now and enjoying my cricket so i'm happy. From what i hear firsts not interested in batting me in top 6 so think will be spending rest of season in 2s.