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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: Blazer on May 24, 2013, 07:49:07 PM
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I have seen some players being confrontational in the name of being competitive. Do club cricketers really need to be like that when we don't have the ability to back it up nine times out of ten ?. These players are often revered by clubs and stories passed on to the upcoming generation during changing room chats and teatimes. Is this the right way forward ?.
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Nothing wrong with a bit of friendly banter, but past that stage when it can become personal and aggressive it is totally unnecessary, heard some horrible things said in some games and I think their should be a disciplinary procedure for such occasions.
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depends what standard your playing id say and what your team plays for .. if your team plays to get in to your top division and play against pros who play county and even international its usually pretty serious so tempers can flare , and words can be said. but if your playing 2nds 3rds its pointless as most of them simply arent good enough so feel they need to tell everyone how much better they are.
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Friendly banter is fine and good for the game as it's amusing most of the time. When some wicket keepers,slips, close fielders step over the line is when they start getting personal and attacking a batsmen. I think even if you are playing 'high level' it's still pointless as it's still rare to be able to back up your gob full of rubbish.
At the end of the day we all play low level cricket unless you are signed to a county or payed to play (and not just £100/150/200 a game!). Yes we all would prefer to win and generally want to win but it's really not the be all and end all that some seem to think it is. Play hard, play fair but respect everyone on the field and everyone whether you win or lose will enjoy their cricket.
Surely we want people to WANT to play cricket, not get put off by some grown men thinking they are Shane Warne or KP's!!
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There's no place for it at any level. The worst perpetrators tend to be the worst players usually.....if you want to keep up the pretence of being a good player (at least until they see you bat or bowl!) then just keep quiet. It's the way the game was meant to be played ;)
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as people have said it depends what level, but i think at all levels there is nothing wrong with a bit of banter, i know for a fact i don't mind being sledge it drives me and i feel as though if its got to the stage that fielders feel as though they can say something then i need to up my game and 9 times out of 10 i will do, and I'm not afraid to give it back, as long as its friendly and doesn't go too far then its not a problem for me.
The on 2 times its been a problem is when we were reported to the league for being "violent and abusive" because our opener hit 130* to win us the game and apparently he was intentionally hitting the ball at fielders and so they were getting abusive towards us, we had a few 12/13 year olds playing to make up numbers, in my opinion swearing is never on in sport especially with kids about, this "act of violence" came from them bowling short and wide and getting smashed all round so they weren't happy.
The second was my own fault and i was slightly naive however it bought us the lads wicket, i was at slip and made a comment how he had been beaten for pace 2/3 times by a 15 yr old lad and was asked if i wanted to "(no swearing please) step outside" , my reply probably wasn't the smartest, but was something along the lines of we are already outside.
However after these 2 instances i made sure the i shook hands with every single person involved first and as the games were over that was that.
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I don't bother with sledging oppo's. At the end of the day I don't care about what they are doing, I'm only interested in gee'ing up my team mates so I leave them alone. I don't understand why people actually think commenting on a batsmen is 'banter'. If they respond or start it then fine but if they don't say a word then leave them alone to play their own game, concentrate on your game/teams game and enjoy it. Not everyone finds it amusing or 'banter' so respect that and shut the hell up.
Of course, that will fall on deaf ears most of the time as peopel do seem to think it's acceptable to abuse a batsmen for whatever reason (poor technique, playing and missing, maybe leaving a lot etc etc)
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My standard reply is to turn and look them in the eye, and calmly say:
'You are mistaking me for someone who gives a *&%! mate.'
Generally anything very direct, strongly worded (whilst not being overly offensive) and said to them while you stare them down will shut most of these 'sledgers' up.
After that, i ignore everything, not even turning to look at them when they say or ask things. And i'll start walking away from the crease after each ball, returning when they close their gobs. In our league the umpires are quite hot on over rates, i saw a team docked 5 points from a game last season due to a slow over rate. So if they want to lose points gobbing off to someone who isn't even listening, they are welcome to.
The best sledgers are the ones who get into the batsmens heads without the batsmen even knowing. The more common approach of a wall of noise and abuse is almost toally ineffective in my opinion.
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personally theres nothing better than winding a quickie up (even if there sharp) by the usual i thought you were quick mate. or just plain and simply laughing when they give you grief. i love it . although some people do over step the mark on occasions
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The issue I mainly have with it is what constitutes stepping over the line. I've had this debate at work with some cricket friends and some of them think almost anything goes as 'it's a man's game' and then others think it should only occur if both players involved want it.
I personally now just ignore it so don't really care BUT I'd much more enjoy my saturday cricket if players wouldn't comment on my technique (or lack of), my shot selection or indeed my weight etc. However, others see all that as fair game. At what point do you decide to say to the umpire about it and potentially get laughed away etc.. surely in this day and age if you personally find it offensive then it's offensive??
(not saying I'd go walking up the umpire but hypothetically)
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best anti-sledging I saw was silent. Batsman got a bouncer, got into position to hook, then played it with a straight bat in front of his nose and dropped the ball dead at his feet. Class.
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I've found that I don't actually notice sledging when batting. Am I missing something?
In the field its also not acceptable unless a team is cheating, when they are fair game.
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I only have one issue with sledging, and that is younger players who think it is acceptable to sledge every ball regardless of game situation e.t.c.
Often found to be a young 14-18 year old who has got no runs batting low down the order or is likely to get no runs and bat low down the order.
It is annoying when the senior members of teams do not prevent sledges by younger players especially when it is a sledge that is heard a thousand times and often not very fitting.
Such as a batsmen pulling for six. " Ohh Lads look we have got him edging!"
There is a time and a place, but as commented on this thread, it depends on the standard, and the situation.
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There's no place for it at any level. The worst perpetrators tend to be the worst players usually.....if you want to keep up the pretence of being a good player (at least until they see you bat or bowl!) then just keep quiet. It's the way the game was meant to be played ;)
Couldn't agree more mate.
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There is a type of sledging that is downright inappropriate, but I don't think a bit of casual banter is a bad thing and you can definitely get inside the batsman's head that way.
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Sledging at my level is ridiculous, and makes you look like a total nobber. None of my guys can back up the words with the requisite level of talent, so why do it - unless of course the recipient has blatantly cheated.
Sledging me personally is utterly pointless, if you need to sledge me to get my wicket then something has gone terribly wrong. I laugh uproariously at sledgers and tell them to concentrate on their catching, as they wouldn't want to drop me!
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When ever i get a bit of banter head my way i usually let my bat do the talking.
In some rare cases if its somebody i know, If i bat first and get no runs i wont say anything back in the second innings, but if i score a decent amount its game on.
Infact i have a t20 game on the 9th june against a guy from my rugby club who i despise, it even got the the point of forehead to forehead confrontation on the pitch at half time! So im planning to do a bit of silent sledging with some form of bodyline bowling (hes quite short so a good lenght would be a rib shot)
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The 'banter' ruined my experience of playing first team cricket for my school. I couldnt buy a run for 3 years. I put part of it down to sledging. Too be honest I dreaded going into bat. I dont know if it is a private school thing but it seems sledging was almost encouraged at these schools.
I gave up cricket for a year after school but for the past 4 years i have been loving playing village cricket.
Why is sledging accepted? I wouldnt put up with abuse or personal comments in the pub on a saturday night, so why put up with it on the cricket field
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Why is sledging accepted? I wouldnt put up with abuse or personal comments in the pub on a saturday night, so why put up with it on the cricket field
That to me is the main part. If you are a mate then banter is fine, when you are some random guy who I don't know or doesn't know me why is it acceptable to abuse me?
Spot on Forrester.
I'm still waiting for someone to use the football line that gets trawled out of 'it's a man's game' :) If it is a mans game then beat me using skill, not verbal abuse.
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I think sledge is ok,
Clearly not if your all just turning up for a game at a low level, thats pointless and not needed.
There is banter, which is fun, then there is sledging. Banter is not sledging
If Fattus turns up at the crease, and I said, "Don't worry, Fattus we've got every one to park their cars on the offside this week, there windows are safe" - , then that's banter.
If I say that the bowler is going to knock your Fu@~k teeth out, and why the f@ck are you batting at 6?, then thats sledging.
Sledging is fine, if like everything else it don't right. Like others have said, don't do it if you're rubbish, don't do it if every ones just turning up for a game and a fun day. don't do it if the guy your sledging is on 200, or a legend, or whatever... Don't make it personal, or out of line.
But if you think you can say something to upset a batsman or bowler then its fair game.
Saying that you dont like it and there for it should not be part of the game is a none augment. I not like left armers - ban them! :D :D
P.S
You're all (No Swearing Please) at posting on the internet :D :D :D :D :D
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Also never forget this:
Anderson v Johnson: top sledging (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtxnfqDJUWg#ws)
Yak, Yak!!!
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I personally dont like banter, but I like sledging, and I consider them to be different things.
Banter to me is having alaugh with your teammates and also the opposition, just for a laugh and bit of fun in a friendly manner.
Sledging is more abuse in my book
I use sledging to get into the batsmens head, plant doubts in their mind, pick at their technique or kit, or poor shots, in an attempt to put them off and get their wicket.
I draw the line at real personal abuse, I've experienced it myself and its not good, but I have given it myself in certain circumstances and stoked the fire a few times
Just little comments aimed at the batter can make a big difference I think, and encourage them to throw their wicket away.
I readily use it when fielding in slips and close in, making a habit of getting up close to the batter in between balls and indirectly telling them I think they are poo
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There's a possible fine line between banter and sledging I believe, but usually sledging is just downright trying to verbally abuse batsman. Banter could be something like "watch out mate, don't hit that window," or "careful of that car". Whereas sledging is just purposley harsh to try and gain wickets.
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The question is how many times can you back up your sledging ?. If I could pitch the ball exactly where I wanted or what I wanted all the time , I wouldn't be playing club cricket .
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I personally dont like banter, but I like sledging, and I consider them to be different things.
Banter to me is having alaugh with your teammates and also the opposition, just for a laugh and bit of fun in a friendly manner.
Sledging is more abuse in my book
I use sledging to get into the batsmens head, plant doubts in their mind, pick at their technique or kit, or poor shots, in an attempt to put them off and get their wicket.
I draw the line at real personal abuse, I've experienced it myself and its not good, but I have given it myself in certain circumstances and stoked the fire a few times
Just little comments aimed at the batter can make a big difference I think, and encourage them to throw their wicket away.
I readily use it when fielding in slips and close in, making a habit of getting up close to the batter in between balls and indirectly telling them I think they are poo
you would not induce any rash shots from me. You'd actually annoy me to make me more determined to stay in etc. However, I'd also counter that people are paying their hard earned money to play a game for the enjoyment (plus kit and fuel costs) to then get abused by you. Perfectly acceptable if you are a pro (proper pro, not low level pro) but when people are paying to play cricket I think people need to respect them more than giving them crap. Just focus on your own game and leave them to do theirs.
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Dave I do see what you're saying but I don't agree.
I don't mind someone sledging me, if I do well its just another thing that I have over come, another skill to master etc.
Different views I guess
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The question is how many times can you back up your sledging ?. If I could pitch the ball exactly where I wanted or what I wanted all the time , I wouldn't be playing club cricket .
But you don't need to be able to do this, to justify sledging. It about disrupting the other guy.
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I think you have to pick your battles. If someone on the oppo sledges us, I find it fair that we give a little back. Or if it's a friend of the club, but then it's banter. I've been called some horrific things during batting and refuse to go down that road.
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To be honest, I cant picture myself on the field taking the time to stop and think, well we really need a couple of wickets here, but I better not try talk this batter out and sledge him, because he has paid his match fee's. I really dont care, it's competitive cricket at the end of the day, I'm sure there is some friendly cricket he could go play somewhere else if he didn't like listening to me, but I would never change the way I play the game, I want to win.
Why is it acceptable if you're a pro????
In our league there is plenty of rubbish spoke out on the field, but it's left there and everyone enjoys a good beer afterwards.
I wouldnt mind annoying you to stay in, taking that selfish approach is probably better for my side, bat all day if you like.
But you've just said you'd be determined to stay in, and not let us induce you into a poor shot, so straight away I'm in your head, you're now concentrating on sticking around, less so on scoring runs now and your natural game, but more to stay in, so I'm winning because you're thinking about me and I am in your head
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To be honest, I cant picture myself on the field taking the time to stop and think, well we really need a couple of wickets here, but I better not try talk this batter out and sledge him, because he has paid his match fee's. I really dont care, it's competitive cricket at the end of the day, I'm sure there is some friendly cricket he could go play somewhere else if he didn't like listening to me, but I would never change the way I play the game, I want to win.
Why is it acceptable if you're a pro????
In our league there is plenty of rubbish spoke out on the field, but it's left there and everyone enjoys a good beer afterwards.
I wouldnt mind annoying you to stay in, taking that selfish approach is probably better for my side, bat all day if you like
so competitive cricket is only for people who are prepared to put up with verbal attacks on them? It's no wonder there are less adults playing the sport. If you need a couple of wickets try bowling/fielding better??
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You forget I pay my money to play aswell, so if I feel the need to abuse someone to better aid my team, it's gonna happen
Wont find many better fielders than myself, if bowlers get no luck then I feel perfectly fine contributing chatting rubbish
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You forget I pay my money to play aswell, so if I feel the need to abuse someone to better aid my team, it's gonna happen
Wont find many better fielders than myself, if bowlers get no luck then I feel perfectly fine contributing chatting rubbish
so, going back to a question asked earlier. So you feel the need to 'chat rubbish' that's aimed at myself (let's assume I was batting). If I find that offensive can you report it? (if you do can anything be done?).
(I know that's an extreme but let's assume I'm easily offended)
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Course it can, it happened at my club 2 years ago, the batsmen didnt like what was said, nothing came of it.
Like I said earlier I draw the line at personal abuse, but have gone that far before, and experienced it myself, but I didnt feel the need to report it, left it all on the field and moved on
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If people feel the need to get people out by chatting rubbish, then they shouldn't be playing cricket IMO.
It's pointless, having a big of a laugh and picking up on little things is fine. But calling someone crap or saying there rubbish is there it crosses the line, especially if your just a fielding batsmen. I can see why bowlers get frustrated with bat shots/annoying batsmen and the odd word is ok. At club level everyone pays there match fee to have an enjoyable game and no listen to some big headed (No Swearing Please) giving people crap.
Everyone wants to win, but your just thick if you start trying to get wickets that way, and the most part, when you give someone rubbish who thrives off it, they'll actually make you look extremely stupid and smash your bowlers all over the park.
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each to their own, everyone has their differing opinions
yes some people thrive off it, therefore you have to be very selective to whom you chat your rubbish to
as a keeper/ex keeper being vocal was and is a big part of my game
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each to their own, everyone has their differing opinions
yes some people thrive off it, therefore you have to be very selective to whom you chat your rubbish to
as a keeper/ex keeper being vocal was and is a big part of my game
Just don't agree with it, if your bowlers haven't got the talent to get someone out, then why do you have to give them (No Swearing Please) and get them out lol.
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Sledging at amateur level is just small minded frustration if someone does it to me I know I've got to them as if there trying that they've got nothing else to throw at me so amuses me greatly
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surely making them aware of their mistakes is acceptable? "swing and a miss" but personal abuse is taking it too far. I love beating the batsman with a ball they were nowhere near then have a slip remind him he just missed a decent ball. if your bowling is atrocious then surely the batsman should be punishing you so your sledging would become irrelevant?
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each to their own, everyone has their differing opinions
yes some people thrive off it, therefore you have to be very selective to whom you chat your rubbish to
as a keeper/ex keeper being vocal was and is a big part of my game
Absolute bull! If you fired up at me, then you had better make sure you're the best batsman on your team otherwise you're going to get absolutely crucified! If you feel the need to sledge me, then I will sledge you back. I don't agree with it, and I won't do it to people there to have a good game! There's no need for it, but I am bloody good at it, and at 6'4" and 16st, I can be hugely intimidating if you deserve it!
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Absolute bull! If you fired up at me, then you had better make sure you're the best batsman on your team otherwise you're going to get absolutely crucified! If you feel the need to sledge me, then I will sledge you back. I don't agree with it, and I won't do it to people there to have a good game! There's no need for it, but I am bloody good at it, and at 6'4" and 16st, I can be hugely intimidating if you deserve it!
And therein lies the problem. One person getting overenthusiastic with the gob can ruin the match for the remaining 21 people who also have to use the pitch. Generally, if one person decides that sledging is a good idea, and ends up being unpleasant to all the batsmen, the opposing team can and will give it back, in spades.
Totally ruins what could've been a competitive game of cricket and the result is that the two sides often end up hating each other. As a bowler, I generally don't feel the need to sledge. A beamer will do nicely. Or your wicket. You choose.
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I will only ever reserve it for the one player, and will not carry it over to the rest of their team! I'm genuinely very pleasant to the other players on the team and will definitely not instigate it. I will also let it go if I've got a duck or not very many.
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surely we all shake hands at the end whatever the result?
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I would imagine that those on here that seem to think that sledging is acceptable are probably fairly young. They'll learn...... ;)
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At the level that I play at, and with my paucity of ability, I don't think sledging works on me. I know my limitations and drawing attention to them won't make me change anything because I'm not capable of doing it.
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To be honest, I cant picture myself on the field taking the time to stop and think, well we really need a couple of wickets here, but I better not try talk this batter out and sledge him, because he has paid his match fee's. I really dont care, it's competitive cricket at the end of the day, I'm sure there is some friendly cricket he could go play somewhere else if he didn't like listening to me, but I would never change the way I play the game, I want to win.
Why is it acceptable if you're a pro????
In our league there is plenty of rubbish spoke out on the field, but it's left there and everyone enjoys a good beer afterwards.
I wouldnt mind annoying you to stay in, taking that selfish approach is probably better for my side, bat all day if you like.
But you've just said you'd be determined to stay in, and not let us induce you into a poor shot, so straight away I'm in your head, you're now concentrating on sticking around, less so on scoring runs now and your natural game, but more to stay in, so I'm winning because you're thinking about me and I am in your head
Exactly.
it's another aspect to the game. You cant just write it off, and suggest that anyone who has ever sledged anyone else is: Selfish, Young and Stupid; Rubbish; etc etc.
I can understand why people don't like it, but that's not to say it should not happen.
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If I give it, I'm more than ready to get some back when I bat, I dont mind, its part of the game
No need to patronise me because I'm younger than some on here, and apparently dont know any better
I know full well what I'm getting myself into
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age means nothing as we all the play the game and have done with many different players all who have contributed to how we now play the game. I love a few words being passed around the wicket. If a batsman was sledging me for crap bowling then I'd do my best to get them out but if I've beaten him with a good ball then I'll be letting him know. Seems only fair.
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No need to patronise me because I'm younger than some on here, and apparently dont know any better
"Younger than some on here?" You'd have to be a sperm!
"Don't know any better?" Have you read the rest of the forum? You fit in just fine!
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I have to say sledging just makes me work harder and concentrate more!!! Best ever scores I have got when batting is when the audience/opposition teams are shouting abuse at me!!!!! As in the middle the all should mean and be everything when batting!!!!
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Meant the ball should mean everything lol!!!
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May be its because I am slow witted but usually don't talk when I am batting. I actually enjoy when others talk to/at/about me but I just smile, sometimes giggle, might say a word back but its more me agreeing with what they are saying about me lol. When bowling I never ever say anything, i get really mad but don't utter a word, just internalize it and get back him with my bowling. I don't believe in appealing when I don't think some one is out, or having a word when they hit me for runs.
Last season in one game was the first and only time I started talking to the batsman while i was placed at short cover, he was newly married and his wife was there to watch and it went along the lines that if he didn't do too well she might not be impressed and instead might be interested in the other batsmen on his or my team. I apologized after the game as I didn't think it was required to say things, although i hadn't cursed or anything bad was said all innuendo and implied...
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he was newly married and his wife was there to watch and it went along the lines that if he didn't do too well she might not be impressed and instead might be interested in the other batsmen on his or my team. I apologized after the game as I didn't think it was required to say things, although i hadn't cursed or anything bad was said all innuendo and implied...
Ouch, I'd consider that a bit personal myself.
I know some people love it and think it's part of the game and I'd be happy for them to continue to verbally bash players but give it to the guys who also give it. Don't go giving it to the normal guys who just want to play cricket. If you are that Pro and deadly serious about the game you should be good enough to get players out without having to 'get into their heads'. If not, well you ain't as good as you think.
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Ouch, I'd consider that a bit personal myself.
I know some people love it and think it's part of the game and I'd be happy for them to continue to verbally bash players but give it to the guys who also give it. Don't go giving it to the normal guys who just want to play cricket. If you are that Pro and deadly serious about the game you should be good enough to get players out without having to 'get into their heads'. If not, well you ain't as good as you think.
Thats not personal sledging, thats banter! I'd find that hugely amusing!
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Thats not personal sledging, thats banter! I'd find that hugely amusing!
not sure I'd find someone talking about my new wife like that as banter. Of course unless it's mates or they started it, then it probably is but not really for unknown people.
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I think that you perhaps take things too seriously!
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I think that you perhaps take things too seriously!
potentially yes, doesn't mean it's acceptable though. Bit like how we do a lot of other things in the county now a days, if someone gets offended then it's offensive, even if you or most don't agree. However, from speaking to people at work today most of them don't like the amount of sledging coming into the local game either so it's not just me.
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So yeah we are all mates, even though he plays for a different team. I did apologize at the end of the match as I felt it was required, he didn't mind the chat though but it did work as we had in next over, the game was already won for us it was getting boring/tiring watch him swing and miss over and over again. Still does not justify it I know.
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My two pence ...
Banter is part of all sports, I block it out and play on. I like to make my score speak for me ... if I am over 50 then I get may get involved and 99% of the time it works in my favour.
If it gets nasty or involved swearing, then it needs to stop immediately - we are after all playing cricket ;) .
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We have had a few players that have got a angry during a game and have a full blown argument on the pitch, they have now been kicked out shame people get like this. But I don't mind a bit of banter I get a lot seeing as I usually bat eleven ;)