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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: LMQ21 on May 25, 2013, 09:27:59 PM
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Thinking about this today during our game I was drawn to players taking, marking, retaking and the use of their guard.
We had one player today take about 2-3 minutes to take his guard and wasn't happy with it, he asked for middle and leg, with the bat shading the leg stump or something to this effect. He was then bowled first ball.
We also have a player who guards middle stump, he does however have the tendency to mark his guard repetitively (Trott style), he then builds a trench of around 2-3 ft deep usually on the crease line.
So my question to forum members is how anal are you when it comes to taking your guard ?
Obviously I appreciate there are higher standard players on this forum and lower standard. I would be interested to hear what guard you take and why? In addition to this whether your a trench digger or a minimal marker?
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I'm quite anal about it these days but I never was before my coach pointed out that I was standing a foot outside leg stump most of the time!
I usually take middle & leg and I scratch out a line with my spikes long enough that I can line up both my feet along it. After I have scratched out a line at both ends that's about it though. As long as I can still see it then I have no need to dig a little trench. I think a lot of people have copied Trott and try to use it as a way of getting in 'the bubble' Whilst a few others just do it because they have seen a 'pro' do it but they couldn't tell you why they do it!
It's like the guys I see who mark their guard by taking a bail off and knocking it into the ground....always makes me laugh! Especially when it's a damp green UK wicket! The only reason Shiv does it is because the ground in Guyana is so damn hard a spike doesn't even make a mark!
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I'm a middle and leg man myself and think a piece of chalk is the way forward which you can leave behind the stumps. It's also good for artificial wickets/carpet.
I really don't want to waste too much time asking the umpire at the end of each run/over etc. although I have my own set up routine before ready to receive the next ball which helps me to focus right in on the bowler and next ball.
I remember one occasion last season when my batting partner told me I had taken middle guard on an lbw dismissal which is unusual for me.
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I am really anal about it, I take 2 (middle and leg) and then have a back and across trigger, I am a it of a trench digger I am afraid, each ball I play a bad shot, or miss or leave, I will dig at my guard, as well as beginning of most overs. Helps focus me, and helps me switch off at the same time
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Depends on the bowler. Seamer I've gone back to middle, leggie I'll be on leg in my crease and offie I'll be on middle/off in my crease. As for marking it I'll do it before every ball.
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personaly i bat on leg stump all the time with a slighlty open stance, done this to make sure i dont plant the front foot and play around the pad, used this for about 2 years and has cut down the amount of times if been LBW quite a bit
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I take middle stump guard probably makes no difference to me, apart from knowing where i can leave outside off.
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I'm a 2 man but don't get too bothered with marking and re-marking because I find that you can see where the various marks are after a while, especially if you are batting 2nd or coming in down the order. There will be a trench on middle and both our openers scratch a trench on leg stump. Plus, you don't need a guard if you are giving the bowler the charge :-)
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Don't really bother cos both leg and middle always seemed to be marked out quite clearly anyhoo. I stand a wee bit outside leg and make sure my right eye is as close to off stump as possible.
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I bat on 2 all the time pretty much, maybe should come across to middle as I'm very left eye dominant as a right hander.
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I Take a leg stump guard, used to have a back and across trigger but it was coached out of me so now just across, im a bit of a trench digger too, Mark it at the start of an over or change of strike. also whilst the bowler is in his run up tap the bat 3 times on the floor and get into my stance
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I take a middle stump guard but put the outside edge of bat lined up with the mark. I have no idea where I stand though.
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I ask the umpire 'what's this on?' As I hold my bat up on someone else's god awful trench. Whatever the response is, I place my feet accordingly. Little bit closer to the line if i am told 'leg' and a little further away if I get told 'middle' or 'middle and leg'
The only time I mark out my own line is if the wicket is extremely wet or extremely dry, as over time the line will dissapear. Or when I'm facing an off spinner who's turning it a fair bit, I sometimes try an off stump guard to help me to play with the spin and also get it into the umpires head that giving me out lbw isn't a good idea...
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personaly i bat on leg stump all the time with a slighlty open stance, done this to make sure i dont plant the front foot and play around the pad, used this for about 2 years and has cut down the amount of times if been LBW quite a bit
that's what I do and also why
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I bat on leg and where possible bat out of my crease to the quicker bowlers occasionally dropping back to mess their length up. I tend to take a small step forward as part of my trigger movement which brings me further out my crease and probably onto middle. I noticed when I was batting well I was doing a small front press. It seems to have cut out LBW for what ever reason and helps me play straighter. Ill often recheck my guard with the umpire for a second time this time not on the crease line but about a foot in front just so they know I'm batting well out of my crease.
Spinners ill stay on leg but deep in my crease. I do find taking a leg guard annoying as everyone else tramples over it and you have to keep remarking it. But if I have to check again I'm fairly relaxed and just ask for one'ish!
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When opening and facing swinging delivers, I tend to stand about two feet from the crease on middle and leg and make sure the Umpire is aware of how far I am standing. It has saved me getting out LBW a few times.
I have had a thought of taking Off Guard to block the vision of keeper standing up when facing slower bowlers.
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I take middle but my back and across trigger takes me to off which means I hardly ever get bowled. If you get bowled you're walking straight off but umpires can save you if it hits the pads.
Also some bowlers look at off stump so my pad often gets in their eyeline and puts them off (or so I've been told).
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I take middle but my back and across trigger takes me to off which means I hardly ever get bowled. If you get bowled you're walking straight off but umpires can save you if it hits the pads.
Also some bowlers look at off stump so my pad often gets in their eyeline and puts them off (or so I've been told).
If you have a trigger that sees you in front of off stump before the bowler is delivering then you have a very very early trigger...
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If you are standing in front of all 3 then my experience of umpiring is they will stiff you whether it is going to hit or not.
I much 'prefer' being bowled, at least I only have myself to blame.
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I bat on middle and at the start of my innings i scratch away after everyball, sometimes followin a stroll to square leg and i check with the umpire at the start of everyover throughout my innings, when i feel comfortable the ball by ball scrathcing become once an over, its not something i think about though and i sort of just do it
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I bat on middle and at the start of my innings i scratch away after everyball, sometimes followin a stroll to square leg and i check with the umpire at the start of everyover throughout my innings, when i feel comfortable the ball by ball scrathcing become once an over, its not something i think about though and i sort of just do it
I used to do the same, but one year on tour i got ripped to shreds for it, made me realise it was a bit excessive. At least i got a few that day. No point changing if it works for you though!
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I take leg stump with a small trigger movement. In regards to taking my guard, I scrape away at the end of the over. Not really sure why or when this started, but I like the routine it brings.
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I mark middle, and my back foot sits on that in my set up. My front foot sits wider, probably on leg, and triggers to middle as the bowler gets level with the umpire. If an off spinner is bowling over the wicket, I'll tend to move across to middle & off or off, depending on how much it's turning and how accurate he is. Leggies, left armers or right arm round, I'll move back to middle & leg.
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I take leg and stick my back leg on it. Means I play and miss with a few daft shots outside off but I used to have a habit of being caught plumb in front too much batting on middle (cause I'm crap off my pads/outside leg!) so I changed it. Anything on my legs I can now have a silly waft at without the fear of being triggered. I do like to have a scratch at my guard inbetween balls but only because normally the oppo's chat is so dull I don't wanna put up with it!
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personaly i bat on leg stump all the time with a slighlty open stance, done this to make sure i dont plant the front foot and play around the pad, used this for about 2 years and has cut down the amount of times if been LBW quite a bit
I have got to try this...been out now lbw in 2 out of 3 games...thanks for the tip
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i strut to the crease everybody knows the big dog is in town!
i take my bat and put it in front of middle stump i slide it in a straight line backwards towards the crease.
i then glance at the umpire
"center please"
"that is center"
i then make a little mark with the toe of the bat...
my right foot plants on the line my bat has created and drags a big spike down the track. making my mark on middle.
this is where the magic happens. ....
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this is where the magic happens. ....
LIKE lol
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I take middle stump guard probably makes no difference to me, apart from knowing where i can leave outside off.
This is probably true for me. I take middle purely because it brings bowlers onto my pads and into my driving zone and I can leave really well. I am toying with going to a middle/off guard for 'spinners' and leg for leggies though. Not sure what guard I fancy trying for left arm over spinners or seam yet though. I'll probably have to work that out in the netsl.s
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I take leg stump, not a very strong leg side player and i hate being given LBW (always think i'm not out) ;)
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I take two, but use that to line up my outside edge, with my body just outside the line of leg. Reason? I'm tall and I know from there that I can lean forward and get outside the line of off stump, making my defensive technique sound.
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I like taking a middle stump guard, and standing with an open stance. I find this gives me a good range of shots to choose from on both the on and off sides. I also feel that due to the open stance, I'm not caught playing around my pad as much, I start playing more with a straight bat.
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Sorry to drag up an old topic but I'm having a crisis of confidence regarding my guard.
I usually take middle and leg, mark the line then stand with my toes on the line I have just made. I have never thought anything of it until an umpire once told me that I looked like I was taking middle and leg and then batting on leg, I took guard again and he gave me middle and leg on exactly the same mark as I'd made before.
Was the umpire just a doddery old **** or am I doing it wrong? Are you supposed to put your bat on the line and take your stance around that or something? Thinking about it, I've never actually be told where to stand, I guess what I do is just how I have interpreted the concept.
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The guard is so you know where off stump is and you stand in the same place every time.
Once you have your mark, it doesn't matter where you stand as long as you can use the mark to work out where your off stick is.
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Well that was my reasoning, but this umpire decided I was standing in the wrong place...
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I take middle stump but make sure I get across to cover off the off stump if I need to once the ball has pitched.Very rarely get bowled as I always know where my stumps are which has an opener with the new ball flying around is the key to not getting out.
As a left hander If the right arm over the wicket bowler comes around the wicket i take guard as middle and off this effectively opens up the legside.
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Yeah but when you have made you mark, where do you stand in relation to it? Toes on the line? Middle of the bat on the line? Heels on the line?
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I take middle and then stand with an open stance, I've found it helps me to actually use the bat instead of my front pad when playing straight...
Positioning wise, back foot is normally just crossing over the mark with my bat rested behind the foot on the mark itself (I bat right on the edge of the crease when the keeper is standing back)
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Middle of the bat over the line bat raised that way you only have to bring it down rather than pick the bat up then bring it down feet two feet apart always back foot behind the crease.
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I take middle. I've often thought about trying leg or 2 but when I get out there I always default to middle. I do also have a problem with playing round the front pad though. I've only ever got LBW twice (usually bowled) and both times I'm convinced it was going down leg.
I tend to take my guard if I'm on strike at the beginning of each over until I have some runs on the board. I think it's just a nerve thing, like if I get on strike during an over early in my innings I always ask the umpire how many balls to come. I don't benefit from this in any way apart from feeling like I'm in control.
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Toes on the line of course.
Wouldn't worry if the umpire thinks you're standing further to leg than you are - gives you a much better chance when it comes to LBW decisions!
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Personally take middle guard.
Back foot toe on middle, just behind the line. Front foot outside he create on leg stump. Bat taps down on middle/off stump. Very rarely lbw (4 times last year but I did hit three of them so it was poor umpiring) so seems to work and means you can leave well and force bowlers to bowl at the stumps and into your zones
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Sorry to drag up an old topic but I'm having a crisis of confidence regarding my guard.
I usually take middle and leg, mark the line then stand with my toes on the line I have just made. I have never thought anything of it until an umpire once told me that I looked like I was taking middle and leg and then batting on leg, I took guard again and he gave me middle and leg on exactly the same mark as I'd made before.
Was the umpire just a doddery old **** or am I doing it wrong? Are you supposed to put your bat on the line and take your stance around that or something? Thinking about it, I've never actually be told where to stand, I guess what I do is just how I have interpreted the concept.
There are no hard or fast rules when taking guard as long as the guard you take enables you to knoW where your stumps are so you know what balls to play and what balls can be left when playing defensive shots.
It's a personal choice my advice would be: Select the guard that best suits the way you play.
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best policy is to hit the ball
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I take a guard of middle and have slight trigger that takes me across to middle and off whilst remaining slightly open, enables me to get front pad comfortably out of the line of off stump and opens up most of the ground for scoring. Just make sure I don't miss a straight one or the Vampire will pull his trigger and fire me.
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Personally, I take middle, but apparently I stand outside leg a lot (according to a few of the senior players). My major problem comes from facing left handers, I can't get any shots going against them.
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Personally, I take middle, but apparently I stand outside leg a lot (according to a few of the senior players). My major problem comes from facing left handers, I can't get any shots going against them.
Try taking an off stump guard to left arm over. I find it helps me get more in line with the ball.
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Ask for middle then stand on off. Never like to ask for off stump as I think an umpire will be looking to give you out LBW before the ball comes out of the bowlers hand!!