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Forum News and Suggestions => Custom Bats Blog => Topic started by: The 22nd Yard on June 06, 2013, 12:46:39 PM
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A reply to the Compton haters in the press and elsewhere...
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I agree, I think Compton should keep his place for the time being. He has had three poor test matches after hitting hundreds in consecutive games, if this was one of the established batsmen there would be little discussion about their place. I would love to see Jonny cement a place in the England side but I think it would be harsh to drop Compton after his winter performances. If he fails in the first 2 or 3 games of the Ashes then he could be considered for dropping. The worry about replacing him with Bairstow is that with the champions trophy being on we could see Bairstow carrying the drinks when we could really do with him having some time in the middle with Yorkshire
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At best he will get a couple more tests before they will call time and promote Root.
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Im glad someone else agrees with me. Really annoys the hell out of me when players have a bad couple of games and everyone jumps on the bandwagon, grabs the pitch forks and goes hunting! Being a somerset fan i do rate compton and think he will do very well given a chance. you have to give players a chance in the game to settle down and bed in.
2 test hundreds in not many games and some reasonable innings in india in tough conditions. couple that with wisden cricketer of the year and almost a 1000 runs before may last year. obviously makes him an average cricketer!
I thought nasser made a good point during the test series. talking about comptons 1st test 1st innings dismissal he said that if KP had done that then it would have just been 'oh its KP, it happens, big one round the corner' but because it was compton he was slated. He then went on to state thats one of his shots and he went to a 100 with it earlier in the CC. you wouldnt stop any other players playing one of their shots so why stop him!
I really hope he makes some big runs in the lead up to the ashes and piles it on during the series. Love to see the commentators with their tails between their legs! if he doesnt, englands loss is somersets gain
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I agree too, class is permanent after all. He'll come good! Trying his best not to score any runs though lol. 34 from 140 odd balls lol
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I agree too, class is permanent after all. He'll come good! Trying his best not to score any runs though lol. 34 from 140 odd balls lol
50 from 132. a little slow but decent
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I too am a bit of a Compton fan. He hasn't done too much wrong so far has he? He's had a bad run of form in the last series but so did Ian Bell and no one questions his place. Bell goes on poor runs for months at a time and no one seems to notice! Leave Compton where he is and, just as importantly, leave Root where he is. It will all be fine!
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Sorry, I am not sure I agree - Root and Bairstow add an urgency to the England batting that we need. Compton Trott and Cook up top is too staid.
Compton's technique has some marginal issues (I suspect confidence would sort them) - but KP has to be included so 4 into 3 doesn't go.
Form states Compton is the one to miss out.
Plus we also have to include the inpact of their fielding too. If I was an oppo bowler - I would Compton was playing ahead of Bairstow. And that answers the question for me.
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Sorry, I am not sure I agree - Root and Bairstow add an urgency to the England batting that we need. Compton Trott and Cook up top is too staid.
Compton's technique has some marginal issues (I suspect confidence would sort them) - but KP has to be included so 4 into 3 doesn't go.
Form states Compton is the one to miss out.
Plus we also have to include the inpact of their fielding too. If I was an oppo bowler - I would Compton was playing ahead of Bairstow. And that answers the question for me.
that makes it sound like hes monty in the field. i dont think there is that big a margin when it comes to fielding that justifies him being dropped. i also thinking Bairstow is more likely to give you a chance than compton due to his style of play. theres nothing wrong with the team as it is. Bairstow hasnt exactly set the world alight in test matches. for me, he is the one that should miss out when KP comes back. Root is doing a fine job where he is, dont change that.
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I think you'd be picking Bairstow over Compton based on what he 'might' do whereas Compton already has a couple of tons and 2 of his 3 tours have been very successful. He hasn't become a poor player overnight. I do think JB is very talented but I really don't think he has shown enough, quite yet, to warrant a place over NC. that may well change if he gets selected but based on the evidence we have I would stick with NC and leave JR where he is.
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Compo 70* getting some much needed runs!
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Bell hasn't performed in tests, how bout he gets dropped?
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Bell hasn't performed in tests, how bout he gets dropped?
Why indeed? There's is no doubt his a talent but it's easier to play in a team when you know you won't get dropped at a hint of bad form. I feel for Compton, he's obviously a good player. I feel he's probably a victim of timing more than anything. He's very similar to Trott, Cook and Bell in terms of temperament. Non of these will be dropped anytime soon (rightly or wrongly) so he's the easy choice. If he had smashed his 100s then there probably wouldn't be a debate but he battled and clawed his way to a score at a time when we have those types of players already established in the top 5. I think England are in need of more dynamic modern test opener - see Dilshan, Warner, Vijay, Gayle. If he does get dropped I hope it's for this reason a not for a lack of runs (up to a point, obviously).
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I agree Compton hasn't done anything wrong to get dropped, but I can't help feeling that the England selectors have got this wrong. Last season Compton was batting middle order for Somerset so non of the pressure of opening on him, while Root was opening for Yorkshire, I really feel that they should be batting the other way round, and maybe pushing Bell to 6.
This also gives the top 3 better balance and should make Buzz happy ;)
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Hundred up for Compton, will give him a nice confidence boost ahead of the ashes
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Good to see him back in the runs after all the stick, opening up as well.
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Glad he's back in the runs,
I worry about him in the conditions though. He did score 2 hundreds in NZ but they were pitches designed to get 5 days out of them.
I feel sorry for compton because before this series all the pressure was put onto him, rather than the pressure coming after bad performances.
Root isn't ready for the new ball, he proved this in the last test series. If I'm right he got "2 golden ducks" when NZ took the new ball?
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The case for Compton seems to be based on three points:
1. he made loads of county runs last year
2. he has made two test tons
3. he should be "given a chance"
The response is a complex one, and in some ways is, I admit, a little tough on the guy. His two test tons were made on pitches which the Kiwis admitted had been wrung of any hint of life, and were excruciating to watch even then - noone can ever take those runs away from him, but they were runs that were gifted to any batsman with solid concentration, which we always knew was his forte.
Other than that, how has he performed in 9 tests? I have to say, he has been pretty whack. He managed to get stuck in a big ball of going nowhere in India, and when finally faced with pitches with a bit of zip in them in his eighth game was quickly found out. And if Wagner, Southee and Boult are finding him out, you can bet your life that Australia's much better seam attack will do the same. So, for me, best to cull him now - especially as Root, a natural opener, looks to the Manor born.
Now, I don't actually think that that locks Bairstow on for the six slot in the Ashes. I guess a few people will see me write that and start, but I am not certain that he is getting enough game time to be ready and I might personally look to a third party for the Ashes (possibly even Adil Rashid...)
On the wider Compton point, this evidences why players will probably never again be picked on the basis of stellar county form. At 29, he has not adapted to the extra consistent pace of ball and is too far along the path to try!
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Compton doesn't look test class to me, Root does and even Bairstow is more convincing. Compton may be a fine player at County level but it wouldn't be the first time a step up has found somebody out. Remember Ravi Bop and his 3 tons v Windies in 2009? Looked what happened after.
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Compton doesn't look test class to me, Root does and even Bairstow is more convincing. Compton may be a fine player at County level but it wouldn't be the first time a step up has found somebody out. Remember Ravi Bop and his 3 tons v Windies in 2009? Looked what happened after.
or Anthony McGrath looking the doggies danglers against the Zimboks.
Ed Smith.
John Morris.
Rob Bailey.
There are loads!
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Robert Key
Tim Ambrose
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Don't think you can add Key to that list. He went from 200* to dropped. He didn't get the chance to become mediocre!
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Key got 200* against the Windies on a featherbed. Apart from one knock in SA I don't think he did much else. That's the point with Compton, for all the determination he has shown in India/NZ, he was batting on mainly featherbeds against average attacks. India was certainly more of a challenge and he didn't set the world alight.
Nobody wants an England player to fail but can't help thinking Bairstow's knocks at Lords against Steyn and co carry more weight. Root and KP are certain to play.
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Compton very much seems to me like and English Ed Cowan - a very solid and good first-class batsman, but maybe not quite in the top bracket of players. (awaits the barrage of abuse and posts saying Cowan is sh!te)
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Compton very much seems to me like and English Ed Cowan - a very solid and good first-class batsman, but maybe not quite in the top bracket of players. (awaits the barrage of abuse and posts saying Cowan is sh!te)
I'd agree with you on that. They do a decent enough job at Shield/CC level but not quite good enough for tests. Cowan is all Aus really have at the moemnt, whereas England could have a look at say Carberry or bump the messiah up to open from 5/6
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I'd agree with you on that. They do a decent enough job at Shield/CC level but not quite good enough for tests. Cowan is all Aus really have at the moemnt, whereas England could have a look at say Carberry or bump the messiah up to open from 5/6
Mr. Rogers is in fantastic form at the moment.
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Compton very much seems to me like and English Ed Cowan - a very solid and good first-class batsman, but maybe not quite in the top bracket of players. (awaits the barrage of abuse and posts saying Cowan is sh!te)
No, I'd say that you've pretty much hit the nail on teh head there - they are both players who are okayish at the top level, but never going to really excel. Or, put another way, players who would not make the team in times of clover.
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Mr. Rogers is in fantastic form at the moment.
Yes he is, but he'd only be a short term selection at best. He's what, 37?
Cowan and Compton are both 30/31 ish so are more short-medium term selections. Carberry could also be seen in that bracket.
Long term, I do see Root opening, but he should be making more of the opportunities he gets whenever the 2nd new ball is taken
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Long term, I do see Root opening, but he should be making more of the opportunities he gets whenever the 2nd new ball is taken
The two don't necesarily correlate; after all, a poor shot/getting out tot he second new ball when set is very different to coming in and building an innings against it (which he has done throughout his career for Yorkshire)
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Being a set batsman means you also have the responsibility not to get out to the 2nd new ball
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i think comptons 29? if it turns out that compton isnt the man for the job then someone like carberry does deserve his chance. as the man in the job he has to ensure that he keeps it. the chasing pack need to give the selectors a reason to change. although he has had a couple of average innings against the NZ attack who to be fair to them have bowled very well at times, that doesnt make him a bad player. Currently 150 not out against the likes of onions, even at taunton is worth some praise. the england set up obviously see something in his ability that warrants his selection. i think these runs are doing no harm at all.
if root was meant to open then why didnt he? Yes, india can be a very tough place to start your career but you have to start somewhere. following india with back to back series against what was seen as lower opposition would have helped. root has done a great job coming in down the order and i think hes probably in the team for the long haul. why change what he is doing? hes doing a good job there so leave him there. maybe move him above bell but thats it.
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Being a set batsman means you also have the responsibility not to get out to the 2nd new ball
Being a set batsman means you have the responsibility to go on whatever teh circumstances. If you look at Root's two dismissals, one was an excellent ball from Boult, the other the product of too much adrenaline, which was understandable given he had made a maiden test century on his home ground in front f a crowd that had treated him like the second coming...
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if root was meant to open then why didnt he? Yes, india can be a very tough place to start your career but you have to start somewhere. following india with back to back series against what was seen as lower opposition would have helped. root has done a great job coming in down the order and i think hes probably in the team for the long haul. why change what he is doing? hes doing a good job there so leave him there. maybe move him above bell but thats it.
Why didn't he? Erm, I don't think you make your test debut and get the skipper asking where you would like to bat and bowl... :D
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Clearly not what he meant hthough was it mate? lol, if he was meant to open, why didn't the selectors pick him to opwn. stop being mischievious! you only croon over him cos he's from yorkshire ;)
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Clearly not what he meant hthough was it mate? lol, if he was meant to open, why didn't the selectors pick him to opwn. stop being mischievious! you only croon over him cos he's from yorkshire ;)
No, I croon over him because he is an amazing player. You don't see me telling everyone that Steve Patterson should be in the England side, now do you? ;)
Answering your question, when he was brought into the side there were two guys in place who could only open in Cook and Compton, ergo the more versatile Root was asked to bat down the order. I don't think that means he is any less of an opener, just that he seizde his chance in the circumstances it was offered.
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I think that if you need to pick both of them, then you do pick Compton to open, and Root at 6. He's definitely more able to change the pace of a game! Better looking player.... yes, better player.... as an international opener, don't know. And Compton didn't open once last season for Somerset! He batted 3 and 4.
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I think that if you need to pick both of them, then you do pick Compton to open, and Root at 6. He's definitely more able to change the pace of a game! Better looking player.... yes, better player.... as an international opener, don't know. And Compton didn't open once last season for Somerset! He batted 3 and 4.
If you have them both in the same team, your hand is forced - Compton really could only open such is the one paced nature of his game, and Root in fairness would make a perfectly good number four. I think teh bigger point is, of teh seven obvious candidates for si slots in teh Ashes, Compton is the one who would be missed from the line up least (and I say that as someone who does not think that Ian Bell should be allowed anywhere near the England side!)