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Title: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Wooly on June 24, 2013, 02:03:10 AM
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/cricket/mickey-arthur-sacked-as-australian-coach/story-fni2fnmo-1226668681433 (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/cricket/mickey-arthur-sacked-as-australian-coach/story-fni2fnmo-1226668681433)

Goes from bad to worse for us Aussies although appointing Lehmann is a good move.  He won't put up with any of the rubbish that's been going on.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: smokem on June 24, 2013, 02:28:26 AM
Is James Sutherland teflon-coated? Surely the CEO at the centre of the demise of Australia cricket - who couldn't work out a solution without the Argus review, who is still making a hash of everything since the review - should graciously accept his monumental stuff-ups and take a walk like any half decent CEO would?
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Wedge2408 on June 24, 2013, 04:08:50 AM
It seems cricket Australia can't get anything right. Virtually nothing suggested in the Argus report has been implemented and we've now sacked a coach right before a huge test series, it's an absolute joke. I think that the powers that be, eg: the ceo, performance manger etc, should be the ones out the door. This supposed rebuild has gone nowhere so unfortunately they need to start again.
All this aside, Darren Lehmann is a good choice as coach. Hopefully he can get us moving in the right direction... 
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Johng on June 24, 2013, 04:26:32 AM
This all points to the CEO and the board.

Clarke has also contributed to a culture of his mates and others which breeds mistrust and in a team environment that is suicide.

Cricket is being killed by the AFL as there are limited opportunities in cricket and most of the talent in 4 states are choosing aussie rules over cricket killing off the talent pool.

Arthur in a lot ways is the fall guy but Lehmann wont take any (No Swearing Please) particularly from Clarke which is positive.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: langer17 on June 24, 2013, 04:30:12 AM
May actually get to see some Queenslanders be picked now.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Tail Ender on June 24, 2013, 06:02:48 AM
Clarke has also relinquished his role as a selector. CA have made a massive mess of this. I assume the press conference will be presented in full clown get up, aptly keeping with the circus theme.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Vic Nicholas on June 24, 2013, 07:31:40 AM
James Sutherland should resign - effective immediately.

Those of you from England, SA, NZ etc do not know this guys background. He has monumentally cocked up everything he has been involved in.

How he was thought the best man to be running the game in Australia is one of life's great mysteries.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: 400notout on June 24, 2013, 07:39:07 AM
So Clarke obviously got on alright with Arthur?

Him resigning as a selector is ridiculous. So Clarke will only know what 11/12 he's got afterwards! How's that for preparation.

Mind you, Lehmann is a good appointment, England should be more worried now than yesterday anyway.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: ppccopener on June 24, 2013, 07:46:34 AM
im a die hard England fan and have been over to Aus to watch our team,and the ribbing we got from the Aussies was relentless,back in the days the Australian team beat everyone before them.
but, in all honestly take no pleasure from what is going on with their team.
the 'homework' issue being out in the public domain was just embarrassing,the Mangement is all over the shop, I dont like Clarke's high handed press conferences or the business like talk I keep hearing.

David Warner made a serious error of judgement and has been punished appropriatley from aiming a punch,he's not the first and wont be the last do do something wrong after a few drinks.....

I think the Australians now need to revert back to the old players,those that have test experience and learn from them.
the hot tip Lehmann is taking over may be just what is required.

This is going to take some time to sort out.Australian cricket needs to be strong for the benefit of cricket.
i'm sure many won't agree with this post but that's my view.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: smokem on June 24, 2013, 08:02:40 AM
James Sutherland should resign - effective immediately.

Those of you from England, SA, NZ etc do not know this guys background. He has monumentally cocked up everything he has been involved in.

How he was thought the best man to be running the game in Australia is one of life's great mysteries.
Agreed. He's a massive joke...
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: lazza32 on June 24, 2013, 08:17:16 AM
darren is excellent at identifying talent and bringing them thru. Good news for australia.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Johng on June 24, 2013, 09:32:23 AM
I do know James Sutherland as our two sons played representative cricket together. I remember asking him just before England toured in the last ashes series what he intended on doing with Andrew Hilditch his reply startled me saying, you need a strong and visionary chairman of selectors and we have that with Andrew, I rest my case.

He is well bred and from the right school Geelong Grammar, he also is a yes man as the board love that, but now this incompetent peanut needs to go and now!!!!!

I am begining to believe that he is a English spy in charge of destroying Australian cricket.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: The_Bird on June 24, 2013, 09:35:25 AM
Meanwhile in the England camp...

http://youtu.be/Cst3Zy5RWNQ (http://youtu.be/Cst3Zy5RWNQ)
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Julesoak on June 24, 2013, 09:40:24 AM
On somewhere near $850k according to Mike Selvey - where do I sign up??!
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Johng on June 24, 2013, 09:41:21 AM
im a die hard England fan and have been over to Aus to watch our team,and the ribbing we got from the Aussies was relentless,back in the days the Australian team beat everyone before them.
but, in all honestly take no pleasure from what is going on with their team.
the 'homework' issue being out in the public domain was just embarrassing,the Mangement is all over the shop, I dont like Clarke's high handed press conferences or the business like talk I keep hearing.

David Warner made a serious error of judgement and has been punished appropriatley from aiming a punch,he's not the first and wont be the last do do something wrong after a few drinks.....

I think the Australians now need to revert back to the old players,those that have test experience and learn from them.
the hot tip Lehmann is taking over may be just what is required.

This is going to take some time to sort out.Australian cricket needs to be strong for the benefit of cricket.
i'm sure many won't agree with this post but that's my view.
Agree. Cricket needs a strong Australia and England for the game to thrive!!!
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Tail Ender on June 24, 2013, 10:55:26 AM
darren is excellent at identifying talent and bringing them thru. Good news for australia.

Holy crap! Larry, you are alive.
Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Vic Nicholas on June 24, 2013, 11:49:28 AM
Sutherland:

But when it comes to an ATO public can of worms, Carlton as serial cap
 cheats are the champions with illegal payments to players placing the
 club in so much turmoil that it ultimately saw John Elliott dumped as
 club president in 2002
. In December 2002, the ATO revealed it was
 investigating possible tax breaches after the AFL had fined the club
 $930,000 for its latest cap cheating, which also attracted the
 attention of corporate watchdog, the Australian Securities and
 Investments Commission. While ASIC was to weigh up breach of accounting
 standards or the Corporations Law, the ATO would check out failure to
 pay fringe benefits and other taxes. The club would also be asked to
 respond to whether any players understated income from either match
 payments or other sources, and under-paid tax.

But the ATO was already previously investigating under the table payments made by
 one-time CEO Ian Collins to players in the early 90’s, assisted it
 seems back then by another Carlton employee James Sutherland, now
 Cricket Australia CEO. Among matters under ATO investigation was one
 player being paid a total of $70,000 outside the cap in a sham deal to
 a private company, with Collins also alleged to have instigated in a
 similar fashion, payments of some $150,000 spread over three years to
 former Blues star and two-time Brownlow Medalist, Greg Williams.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Blues star paid in secret
 28mar03

 CARLTON secretly channelled $200,000 to star centreman Greg Williams through a private construction company to cheat the AFL salary cap.

 The payments were disguised by then Blues chiefs Ian Collins and James Sutherland as ground maintenance work. Yet no work was ever done.

 It has been revealed that Collins, chief executive of Telstra Dome, was central to the affair.

 James Sutherland, Australian Cricket Board chief executive, signed or co-signed with Collins many of the cheques and payment requisitions central to the sham. The company used to hide the payments, Amigo Constructions Pty Ltd, also had Sports Minister Justin Madden as a director. Amigo was wound up voluntarily last September.

 According to documents seen by the Herald Sun, the payments to Williams were made in the financial years of 1993, 1994 and 1995.

 The documents name Collins, then the Blues' executive director, and Sutherland, then the club's finance manager.

 Collins has recently returned to Carlton after deposing John Elliott as president.

 Documents say Collins had an "active and material involvement" in the payments, and "(mis)representation of those payments in the records of Carlton".

 Cheques made out to Amigo for amounts of $25,000, and internal documents requesting payments to Amigo bear Sutherland's signature, the documents say.

Title: Re: Mickey Arthur sacked
Post by: Tail Ender on June 25, 2013, 02:05:49 AM
Sutherland is as culpable as anyone in this. If Arthur went, why not Howard or Inverarity? Because hiring Howard was Sutherland's idea, and sacking him would be admitting he got it wrong, while Inverarity is mates with the CA chairman, Wally Edwards. They aren't going anywhere.