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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: uknsaunders on July 28, 2013, 10:51:24 PM
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Does anybody have a problem with in-fielders creeping in and then getting the ball smacked past them because they are too close? Seen a fair amount of it over the last couple of years and frankly it does my head in. Today we had one bowler with the field roughly 30 yards back, walking in, which was fine. At the other end everybody was about 15-20 yards from the bat and it took a fair amount of shouting to get them back. They looked like I was mad, but they were far too close and one of the bats had already spooned one no more than 25 yards, just over their heads.
I'm of the opinion you try and go as far back as you can get away with. I played on fast outfields and big squares in my youth and having time to see the ball coming at you was why you did it. If you can get 40 yards away to a couple of older batsman then do it, you are more likely to save fours or take a lofted catch. Better players will pinch singles in those situations but you need fielders on the ball to assess batsman when they come in.
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Not too much although the younger ones are the players who need constant reminding about positioning etc in my experience
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Lol who was it??
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Scotty/Husselby but I've seen Phil do it off my bowling previously, even when I've asked him to stand in an orthodox cover position. I was telling the Headingley guys many times last season that when two 50-60 year olds are batting they aren't going to take quick singles!
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We have an issue with some of our youth walking in when placed on the boundary. And no matter how many times we tell them they always end up in!
Last ten overs, guys are hitting out, so "nath, long on, right on, stay on that line!"
2balls later the batsmen goes aerial but doesn't middle it.
We turn to watch nath take a wonderful catch. But NO! He's 20yrads in trying to back peddle.
Doesn't get a hand on it, and it's a one bounce four!
His reason "I was walking in"
*names changed to hide people's identities.
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Mybugbear players not being in position to stop 1 or 4, n between + stop neither Ahhhhh.
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We have this as well - to be honest our midweek side is worse as people don't walk in too much but just wander around. As skipper it's really frustrating having to tell grown men each over to move back to where you originally put them.
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We have this as well - to be honest our midweek side is worse as people don't walk in too much but just wander around. As skipper it's really frustrating having to tell grown men each over to move back to where you originally put them.
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Had the same issue yesterday lol - After 1 ball of my 3rd over I casually looked at my legside field, only to find my deep square leg at midwicket and my midwicket at square leg.
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agreed, also massive issue with people not listening to instructions. If you ask your mid on to go 2 yrds wider and then all of a sudden hes at midwicket. A yard/angle here and there makes a massive difference.
#FieldOCD
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Personally I find my mark, take 5 steps back and walk in when the bowler is halfway through his run-up.
If im on the boundary I like to stand off and walk on or just stand on the rope.
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As a captain, it does my head in also! I find its with the lazy guys who believe they are only there to bat or bowl and fielding is just for the others. You put them in position, they walk in with the bowler on the first ball and stop. They then walk in on the second ball from where they stopped walking on the first ball... By the end of the over they are in so close the batsman is complaining about their bad breath! >:(
Cricket is a long, boring day in the sun if you don't embrace the fact that you better enjoy fielding.
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We have this as well - to be honest our midweek side is worse as people don't walk in too much but just wander around. As skipper it's really frustrating having to tell grown men each over to move back to where you originally put them.
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We have a couple of guys who are bad at this. One puts himself where he thinks he should be for a bowler, not where the bowler has put him, and then tells other fielders to move to take into account his movement, meaning that the bowler doesn't have the field he thinks he is bowling to...
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The other problem is quite often you are trying to implement a plan to frustrate a batsman and get his wicket, but the fielders just don't get it. One of our guys was trying to bowl to a 7-2 offside field with the fielders in a deep lying ring to make it tough for the batsman to score. He was swinging it away at a gentle pace and bowling an off stump channel. The idea obviously to induce an edge on a slow deck and have him caught in the point/cover area. Our guys just crept in and let him thick edge it over the infield. They weren't paying attention to what the bowler was trying to do or back him up.
Later on I was bowling spin with backward point/point/deep extra/extra cover/mid-off and after 2 overs changed the field to reflect how their main batsman was batting. He liked to late cut/cut but not with any power and fairly square, or simply drop the ball into the offside and run. To counteract this I pushed my extra cover in closer, but also brought deep extra up to a square point, with point moving backward. He couldn't just drop the ball into the offside because of the short extra, or cut/late cut as I had 3 men in tight ring from just in front of square to backward point. First ball he opted to hit through leg and was bowled. I didn't bowl a different ball to the previous delivery, it was the field I set that earned me the wicket - or more importantly the fact they paid attention to what I wanted.
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I personally adjust my position according to the shots played by batters and encourage team-mates to do the same. No point standing outside ropes to someone you know can't hit that far and same time no point staying in too close when the guy been tonking all day long.
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Many batters in our league are quite limited in their range of strokes so I try to judge by their swings or what they are attempting to do and anticipate my fielding position. My captain appreciates this but sometimes bowlers have no clue.
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Drives me mad - the worst offenders at our place have to be warned once every over come what may!
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and the fun begins when we have a lefty-righty combo. It amazes me to see that some fielders just don't see the need to move.
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and the fun begins when we have a lefty-righty combo. It amazes me to see that some fielders just don't see the need to move.
This just comes down to lazy fielding >:( some umpires don't even bother to move either!
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This just comes down to lazy fielding >:( some umpires don't even bother to move either!
It is within umpire's right to move or not to move for a left-right combination.
I believe in our umpiring course we were told that these days the square leg umpires are called non strike umpires :)
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I personally adjust my position according to the shots played by batters and encourage team-mates to do the same. No point standing outside ropes to someone you know can't hit that far and same time no point staying in too close when the guy been tonking all day long.
Many batters in our league are quite limited in their range of strokes so I try to judge by their swings or what they are attempting to do and anticipate my fielding position. My captain appreciates this but sometimes bowlers have no clue.
You would think most decent cricketers would do both of these things wouldn't you? Had a leftie yesterday who pretty much his everything down the ground in an arc from mid-off to cowcorner, then tickled the odd ball off his pads. Wasn't difficult to put 2 or 3 men out and leave some gaps elsewhere. Nope nobody apart from me spotted it or was remotely interested, even told the VC but with no luck.
I tend to look at grip, bat swing and then shot range (which takes a few overs). Some guys can be frustrated or contained very quickly, others less so and the decent ones not at all. However, at the lower levels it makes a huge difference setting the right fields and guys paying attention.
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Sounds like you've got a few Abids in your team then Nick, he still keeps wandering around wherever he feels like it!
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Yeah but surely the closer you get the more you close down the angles meaning that you can cut off more? Im sure some pro came out with that statement and I agree.
Then if the batsman feels that he wants to go over the top back your bowler to be good enough to not allow him to be hitting them high risk shots easily. Or a simple in out field counteracts this and not the usual ring fields which are set far too often.
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Yeah but surely the closer you get the more you close down the angles meaning that you can cut off more? Im sure some pro came out with that statement and I agree.
Then if the batsman feels that he wants to go over the top back your bowler to be good enough to not allow him to be hitting them high risk shots easily. Or a simple in out field counteracts this and not the usual ring fields which are set far too often.
To some extent you are right, a man in closer can cut down more shots. However, this relies on great reflexes from a near stationary position (as you simply don't have time to take more than a half stride either way). I'd even go as far to say an extra 10-15 yards allows you cut off balls you couldn't do normally as you are on the move with the extra time.
In out fields or a staggered inner ring can do both jobs. Say your extra cover is closer in, you can drop your mid-off/cover slightly deeper because the batsman has to pause until the ball clears the short extra. I did something similar in one game, by accident than design, with a extra/point in much closer and the cover/mid-off/backward point deeper. Caused havoc for the batsman as they were never sure of the quick single or the ball beating the field. Helped I had a good bowler bowling at the time. The problem with doing that is when the batsman is happy to hit over the advanced positions or the outfield is lighting quick and the ball needles through the gaps created by staggering. More a ploy for a slow deck where shots aren't timed or go in the air for short distances.
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or on other hand.... the Asian lads who play for headingley apart from 1 of them just seem to do what they want.
move to where they want to stand not where they have been put.
very very annoying
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or on other hand.... the Asian lads who play for headingley apart from 1 of them just seem to do what they want.
move to where they want to stand not where they have been put.
very very annoying
who stays where they should, certainly not Ifti lol!
Nah the 2's use to be worse. Apart from Fletch keeping and Smyth being immobile, nobody ever stayed for too long in the same place. Gazzard use to need a tow truck to get him away from short extra, precisely where I didn't want him.
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As a bowler you hate it when people move themselves. With the dry weather the outfield is rapid so fielders are on the edge of the ring for a reason.
However as a batsman I love it. Have them back, play with softhands and run a few quick singles, get them wound up so they come in then hitting boundaries becomes much easier. Force them back again and do the same thing. Unless it's hit straight to them you can get away with it if you're quick between the wickets.
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As a bowler you hate it when people move themselves. With the dry weather the outfield is rapid so fielders are on the edge of the ring for a reason.
Some of our bowlers take it as a matter of personal pride to move fielders back when they have been hit a few times. I find it very funny when some of them shout "catch it, catch it" irrespective of where they have been hit, whether to a fielder or in gap. I think they want us to believe that they made the bastman play that shot. It does annoy me and it is hard keeping calm in such moments.
Some of the bowlers shout almost after every bowl. Very distracting for fielders.
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had a keeper who did that, could be 10 yards away from it and no chance and he would still have a go at me for missing a chance. That kind of thing turns the fielder into a nervous wreck, if it's not done in jest.
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had a keeper who did that, could be 10 yards away from it and no chance and he would still have a go at me for missing a chance. That kind of thing turns the fielder into a nervous wreck, if it's not done in jest.
I have come so close to shouting something back along the lines of "that was a crap ball"
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you should. If I bowl a crap ball I expect it to go for 4. If the fielder bails me out I appreciate it.
Too many deluded bowlers in club cricket (rant coming). They bowl 1 or 2 balls an over that will hit the stumps and then believe they are unlucky when they go for 8 an over. Had a lad yesterday who's action needs work at the release point because the arm/body fall over and the ball doesn't go in the same place twice. Played with him in 2 games and it's wides galore despite being sharpish. The VC yesterday thought he was bowling well, I said "how do you work that out when he bowls 2 straight balls an over!". I might of come from a different era but 30 years ago I'm sure more bowlers bowled straight, and to their fields.
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Not too much although the younger ones are the players who need constant reminding about positioning etc in my experience
not always, im 17(if you can class that as young) and I walk in about 6 yards as the bowler is running in and then i walk back around 10 yards. In some of my games i find its sometimes the adults who need reminding about their positioning. There is one guy in my team who doesnt walk in and stands their with his arms folded then panics when the ball comes to him.
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not always, im 17(if you can class that as young) and I walk in about 6 yards as the bowler is running in and then i walk back around 10 yards. In some of my games i find its sometimes the adults who need reminding about their positioning. There is one guy in my team who doesnt walk in and stands their with his arms folded then panics when the ball comes to him.
I think you are both right. I see some very good young fielders but also some shocking ones! I have also seen some Adults not move unles the ball bounces into their hands :-[
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We have a right combination of fielders. Some who don't (and some who can't really) move, to those who run like headless chickens and everything between. Some who walk in and 'float' and others who seem to stand and wait for it to be delivered to them.
I can forgive the older guys who are never going to run due to knackered knees or whatever, but the younger ones who could learn to get into a better fielding position don't really have that much of an excuse.
One thing that always makes us groan is that one of our quicker fielders always manages to cover the ground chasing a ball - then he somehow manages to slide/fall/collapse over said ball allowing the boundary anyway... He has alot of potential, just never seems to realise it.
There is an awful lot of using the feet rather than getting down to it as well. I'm amazed there is not more injuries because of it (this is from both older and younger players)
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We have a couple of younger players who are exceptionally quick but have this annoying habit at throwing the ball at the stumps even though the batsmen is in >:( often results in over throws!
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We have a couple of younger players who are exceptionally quick but have this annoying habit at throwing the ball at the stumps even though the batsmen is in >:( often results in over throws!
don't get me started lol! If a batsman is 2 yards out of his crease then a throw from 20 yards isn't going to beat him taking 1 stride and an arm reach. However, I've heard "he was out of his crease" so many times it's not even funny. How many players are out there who think they have a rocket arm and then decide to throw it at your feet 5 yards to the right of the stumps, bemoaning the fact you aren't throwing yourself like a goalkeeper to stop it?
Simple rule of thumb - if you are 20 yards from the stumps and the batsman isn't halfway down the track, then don't bother. If he is then for gods sake throw the thing over the top of the stumps without fracturing the bowlers hand in the process!
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Backing up is always a good one to see if people are paying attention. At my level, one in ten throws in are good enough for the keeper to not have to move (myself included...) but I have held onto the ball so often because I can see there is no-one behind the stumps/keeper/bowler, so I don't want to risk teh overthrows as I know the chances are I'll not hit the stumps (especially while moving sideways and off balance!).
I think I've only seen 2 direct hits in about 15 games this season!
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don't get me started lol! If a batsman is 2 yards out of his crease then a throw from 20 yards isn't going to beat him taking 1 stride and an arm reach. However, I've heard "he was out of his crease" so many times it's not even funny. How many players are out there who think they have a rocket arm and then decide to throw it at your feet 5 yards to the right of the stumps, bemoaning the fact you aren't throwing yourself like a goalkeeper to stop it?
Simple rule of thumb - if you are 20 yards from the stumps and the batsman isn't halfway down the track, then don't bother. If he is then for gods sake throw the thing over the top of the stumps without fracturing the bowlers hand in the process!
This should be taught to ALL cricketers and those who break the rule get punished in some way. :D
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hahah , I did this yesterday batter was 3/4 down I threw it no one backing up and went to the boundary for 5 runs
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hahah , I did this yesterday batter was 3/4 down I threw it no one backing up and went to the boundary for 5 runs
How close did you come to hitting the stumps?
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How close did you come to hitting the stumps?
I was backward square leg the hit it to midwicket , we had no midwicket in I threw it to the furthest end away from me , it went past the umpires side furthest away from the stumps , so missed by quite a bit
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Lol... Bet you were popular :D
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Lol... Bet you were popular :D
I was , thankfully it was only in the 2nd XI team and not the day before in the 1st team , in the end we bowled them out for 70 so wasn't to bad
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I think you are both right. I see some very good young fielders but also some shocking ones! I have also seen some Adults not move unles the ball bounces into their hands :-[
to be fair there are some young fielders that i would see and just think that they shouldnt be playing cricket. The other thing i hate is when someone tries to stop the ball with their foot when its been smacked straight at them. I always use the textbook long barrier :)
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to be fair there are some young fielders that i would see and just think that they shouldnt be playing cricket. The other thing i hate is when someone tries to stop the ball with their foot when its been smacked straight at them. I always use the textbook long barrier :)
I wont disagree with what you say about some younsters but I look at these particular kids as the ones in the future who may become secretarys, future junior coaches, fixture co-ordinators etc.
Also I would like to point out I still see a lot of the older members using there feet but i think thats because they cant bend down quick enough... :-[
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I wont disagree with what you say about some younsters but I look at these particular kids as the ones in the future who may become secretarys, future junior coaches, fixture co-ordinators etc.
Also I would like to point out I still see a lot of the older members using there feet but i think thats because they cant bend down quick enough... :-[
I hate seeing people using there feet doesn't make you look good however I am guilty at doing it sometimes of chasing a ball on the boundary and im 15
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I hate seeing people using there feet doesn't make you look good however I am guilty at doing it sometimes of chasing a ball on the boundary and im 15
i would do that sometimes or i would slide. but i mean when the ball is smacked right at you along the ground and instead of someone getting down to the ball ( i.e long barrier) they go to stamp on it and completely miss it