Custom Bats Cricket Forum

Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: mini998 on August 08, 2013, 10:38:25 AM

Title: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: mini998 on August 08, 2013, 10:38:25 AM
I was in to bats with big edges until recently and lately I am starting to like bats with traditional style .

I know the theory behind big edges but I was wondering is there actually an advantage on bats with big edges in real life?

thoughts?
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: joeljonno on August 08, 2013, 11:11:30 AM
From a slightly different thread...

Not sure you can have a too flat face and it won't stop you playing any shot you choose.

An excellent starting point is this blog by Andy at SAF Bats:-

[url]http://www.whichcricketbat.com/cricket-bat/cricket-bats-edges-concaving-myths-smoke-and-mirrors[/url] ([url]http://www.whichcricketbat.com/cricket-bat/cricket-bats-edges-concaving-myths-smoke-and-mirrors[/url])

Should answer your questions and many more!
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: Jenko on August 08, 2013, 12:00:00 PM
Very overrated. Just my opinion! But never been a fan of concaving - especially some bats you see that have been murdered all for the sake of big edges!
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: kaz on August 08, 2013, 12:03:52 PM
concaving itself imho is pure marketing to make the bat look bigger than it is. However I do think that having a high spine would lead to a far stiffer blade thus improving performance.
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: Giraffe208 on August 08, 2013, 01:44:44 PM
Traditional all the way for me.
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: uknsaunders on August 08, 2013, 01:49:01 PM
I think balanced bats are the way forward. Decent edges, plenty of spine and a little but not to much concaving. My Icon falls into that bracket and to some extent my Tempo (at a heavier weight). A heathly edge around 30mm is meaty enough without leading to massive concaving you see on some asian bats. If you are the average club batsman you do benefit from a decent edge when it flies over slips or point for 4. It is a compromise if you then want a high spine. Another option is to reduce the spine height, indeed my Ayrtek has 40mm edges and barely a 50-55mm spine but with minimal concaving - a tendulkar profile if you like.
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: Vulcan Cricket on August 08, 2013, 02:00:12 PM
as with most things in life its what flots your boat if you feel good with it then you will more than likely do well
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: amritpremi on August 08, 2013, 04:22:40 PM

Having played with medium to higher concaving all my life I played with small to none concaving bat this season and was surprised to see the change. I now believe very less concaving suits my style of play  and hence bought a new bat with very less concaving recently  :) . I feel bad for not having joined this forum earlier which would have helped me in buying a bat from one of the sponsors here :-[ , hopefully next tim soon  ;).
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: Chad on August 08, 2013, 04:27:06 PM
Not a fan of massive concaving. I like a decent sized edge, so anything above 30mm, and don't mind a medium spine height. It's all about coverage for me, and I find the Newbery Tour, which has a much lower spine height than most bats, to have just a good a middle as high spined bats. Just a slight concave is fine, but it must feel good in the hands too.
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: Blazer on August 08, 2013, 04:37:56 PM
I hate it when the Mr Know it all at our club goes around giving verdict about bats based on edge size   >:( . Media doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: i12breakfree on August 08, 2013, 10:09:33 PM
Minimum concaving is the way to go
But then if a bat is pressed well then 30 mm - 40 mm thickness is good enough
One of my teammates has a newbery Uzi , weight 2-8
Not big profile but its one of the best pinging bats I have seen
I wish more companies had tried tour like shape
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: EaglesCC on August 09, 2013, 09:03:54 AM
Unfortunately I've fallen into the trap of feeling more secure with bats of higher spines and bigger edges. In years gone by I scored plenty more runs with traditional shape bats so clearly all mental for me (unless I'm now not as good as I used to be).

I may swap one of my bigger bats for a more traditional profile for winter/ next season.
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: magicman84 on August 09, 2013, 09:41:42 AM
One bat I could never get on with was the L&W Ultra shape, all the weight in one area of the bat with large edges. Hit this area and the ball would fly, miss it and the ball would not move.

Have now gone for a mixture of traditional with the high spine all the way through the bat, small amount of concaving and offset edges
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: uknsaunders on August 09, 2013, 10:09:08 AM
One bat I could never get on with was the L&W Ultra shape, all the weight in one area of the bat with large edges. Hit this area and the ball would fly, miss it and the ball would not move.

Have now gone for a mixture of traditional with the high spine all the way through the bat, small amount of concaving and offset edges

Same reason I'm not keen on the GM Zona / Octane, I think the middle is a little to concentrated. GM Argon looks a better balanced bat with a longer hitting area.

Never tried an offset edge bat - do they extend the middle?
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: petehosk on August 09, 2013, 10:39:57 AM
I'm absolutely with you with the Zona, although the Octane isn't quite as bad.
I would like to try an Octane (a-hem Buzz) to see how it feels to have a better opinion.
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: Blazer on August 09, 2013, 10:50:26 AM
Same reason I'm not keen on the GM Zona / Octane, I think the middle is a little to concentrated. GM Argon looks a better balanced bat with a longer hitting area.

Never tried an offset edge bat - do they extend the middle?
A well pressed bat with offset edges would give you a good coverage. I don't think I found the middle on my SAF, it just went.
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: tim2000s on August 09, 2013, 05:28:49 PM
I think the offset edge theory makes a difference. Both my b3 and Hades have this and both have long middles and pick up well.
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: i12breakfree on August 09, 2013, 07:36:53 PM
Here's a profile view of argon
It has a Huge profile
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/GMAargonF24_zpsa666f23a.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/GMAargonF24_zpsa666f23a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: procricket on August 09, 2013, 07:41:03 PM
Off set edges do make the coverage much bigger than none offset due to the wood distribution
Title: Re: Big edges,massive concaving ...overrated?
Post by: LDifa on November 16, 2013, 12:47:22 PM
I love minimal concaving and two amazing bats I have make use of offset edges, my SAF and the Red Ink ltd Edition is amazing, it doesn't look much but it is becoming a rocket launcher.