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Title: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: treefeller on August 15, 2013, 11:26:54 AM
Hi all, seems like a great forum here :D

I'm wondering what peoples thoughts are on using your back foot to get into line.  I've always thought it was just about the front foot but at nets one of the best batsmen was saying move the back foot then the front into line.  This was for playing off the front foot by the way.
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: mr_wickets on August 15, 2013, 11:36:10 AM
Wouldn't that limit the area you can hit the ball? If you get everything in-line for a straight drive, you can't play a cover drive and limit yourself to hitting through mid-off-mid-on.

Also you'd need to be very quick on your feet to do this and then try to make sure your base is solid at point of contact. Not really something I'd try to do.
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Nickauger on August 15, 2013, 11:37:55 AM
Just sounds like a back foot, back and across trigger to me!
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: mr_wickets on August 15, 2013, 11:51:25 AM
Just sounds like a back foot, back and across trigger to me!

Fair enough. I don't think I'll try it. Sounds like you could end up walking into shots.
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: The Palmist on August 15, 2013, 12:16:37 PM
Fair enough. I don't think I'll try it. Sounds like you could end up walking into shots.

What's wrong with that?
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Nickauger on August 15, 2013, 12:17:14 PM
What's wrong with that?

So, so much!
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: LEACHY48 on August 15, 2013, 12:58:41 PM
What's wrong with that?

your off balance, therefore less power, your head is all over the place, therefore you are less likely to make contact, your eyes arent level, again less likely to make contact, no solid base therfore probably end up trying to work everything to leg as you will be falling over...etc etc
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Nato on August 15, 2013, 01:50:51 PM
I've spent all season fighting my initial trigger (back foot away), and sorted that. Don't think I'll be trying another back foot first movement, as I'm more confident now my trigger is front foot forward and across slightly.
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: treefeller on August 15, 2013, 02:07:10 PM
Thanks for the replies :) it did seem a bit odd to me and surely against anyone quicker it'd be very difficult to get the front foot into line if you're moving the back foot first
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Nickauger on August 15, 2013, 02:26:56 PM
Thanks for the replies :) it did seem a bit odd to me and surely against anyone quicker it'd be very difficult to get the front foot into line if you're moving the back foot first

Ironically, this would be the only time I would consider a trigger movement (against express pace), and with 100s of hours to practice it. Otherwise, leave well alone!
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Simmy on August 15, 2013, 02:36:52 PM
What's wrong with that?

in my eyes mate nothing lol get down that track
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Nickauger on August 15, 2013, 02:56:47 PM
in my eyes mate nothing lol get down that track

Haha that's a different technical approach entirely lol. One which I also completely agree with!
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Banksy on August 15, 2013, 04:47:10 PM
But do you mean using the back foot to come forward to get in line? Or to get across? You see a lot of pro's going across with the back foot as their first movement.
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: treefeller on August 15, 2013, 05:13:30 PM
But do you mean using the back foot to come forward to get in line? Or to get across? You see a lot of pro's going across with the back foot as their first movement.

As far as I could tell it was related to using the back foot to come forward to come into line but I may have got the wrong end of the stick entirely  ???
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Nato on August 15, 2013, 07:14:40 PM
But do you mean using the back foot to come forward to get in line? Or to get across? You see a lot of pro's going across with the back foot as their first movement.

I worked with a coach in the winter who suggested when he saw I was stepping away to bring my back foot up close to my front foot just before the ball was fed into the machine, meaning the only way I could go was forward. The theory was that as my feet were close together, in order to stop myself over balancing, I would have to move my front foot forward. It did force me out of stepping back, but I abandoned the back foot step once I'd worked the old trigger out of my game.
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: joeljonno on August 15, 2013, 08:00:53 PM
The description certainly sounds like a trigger. You will get two schools of thought. Those who like it and those who don't. Personally, I like it as it gets my feet moving where I would quite slow to react if I didn't. I take 2 as a guard, so i can start on leg and shuffle across.
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: treefeller on August 16, 2013, 10:09:03 AM
Cool, do you find it harder to keep your head still using the trigger though?  I like the idea of using one to get my feet moving but surely it's much harder to have a still, level head?
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Nickauger on August 16, 2013, 10:12:27 AM
Cool, do you find it harder to keep your head still using the trigger though?  I like the idea of using one to get my feet moving but surely it's much harder to have a still, level head?

Seriously mate, if you 'start' developing a trigger, without proper coaching, and a helluva lot of time to get it wrong then you will become a walking (literally) wicket. Leave it well alone and focus on staying still and hitting the ball! If you still think its a good idea then be prepared for a season of averaging single figures because you will struggle!
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Nato on August 16, 2013, 01:51:58 PM
Seriously mate, if you 'start' developing a trigger, without proper coaching, and a helluva lot of time to get it wrong then you will become a walking (literally) wicket. Leave it well alone and focus on staying still and hitting the ball! If you still think its a good idea then be prepared for a season of averaging single figures because you will struggle!

I think it comes down to personal preference - I don't think you can categorically say that just because a trigger is involved your average will remain low.  Some players will naturally be busy at the crease, and they don't just fail with the bat by design. Trying to builds trigger into your game is different if you didn't have one to start with mind! I do agree that a lot of hard work is required though, although that's true of any sporting discipline.
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: Buzz on August 16, 2013, 02:28:51 PM
looking at the original question...

I'm wondering what peoples thoughts are on using your back foot to get into line.  I've always thought it was just about the front foot but at nets one of the best batsmen was saying move the back foot then the front into line.  This was for playing off the front foot by the way.

I am not sure we are asking a question about a trigger movement (by this description) more that someone is trying to play a front foot shot having moved their back and front foot after the ball has been delivered.

My suggestion is that against anything faster that very slow, to do this would be really hard and not recommended...
Title: Re: Using back foot to get into line
Post by: treefeller on August 16, 2013, 05:10:22 PM
looking at the original question...

I am not sure we are asking a question about a trigger movement (by this description) more that someone is trying to play a front foot shot having moved their back and front foot after the ball has been delivered.

My suggestion is that against anything faster that very slow, to do this would be really hard and not recommended...

That was my thought on it really, I couldn't see how it would be of benefit but he was certainly smashing most of the bowling so I guess whatever he meant it works for him!!

Interesting debate about a trigger movement, I think I've always been still at the crease rather than busy so perhaps it's not for me?